Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8

Isos wrote:

Actually it could be related. Azeri are controled by Turkey which is an ally of Ukraine and not a good friend of Russia.

Opening a new front and try to take Armenia would be in their interest while Russia is busy with Ukraine.

We could see a new conflict there that would involve Russia.

Which would be good. Russia could take Azerbaijan or bomb their gas industry destroying even more the gas industry and obliging europeans and others to buy russian gas.

Yee Gods that's tenuous.

Take for instance the shooting down of the Ka-52 helos. It is quite clear from the video that countermeasures spoofed at least 1 missile out of the 3-4 missiles launched, and the Ka 52 that grounded reportedly had the Igla counterjam and home on the countermeasure pod. And yet the Ukranians were able to bring down two Ka-52s.

There is no countermeasures suite available that will protect anything from everything.

Just because you have jammers does not mean an unguided RPG will be defeated, or HMG or light cannon fire will be stopped because EW doesn't work like that.

Remember that US Apache that got brought down by rifle fire... well the side transparencies of most helicopters is just plexiglass... a 9mm pistol bullet will penetrate.... it is their front screens that will stop 23mm cannon rounds, but from the sides they are vulnerable, and flying over enemy territory means likely getting hit by all sorts of ground fire... repeatedly...

The same applies for armoured convoys and tanks as well. Even if they had an APS it would not be able to neutralize several ATGMs fired at the tank.

Protection is a choice... you balance the needs and requirements with the costs... if you make every truck to be protected to the same level as a T-14 then your trucks are going to be safe from most things, but wiring a mine to a 250kg HE bomb and you still lose the truck... despite the truck costing as much as a T-14 so you wont have that many of them in service.

The loss of a truck is no big deal... it is only a truck... who cares. The soldiers driving the truck are the important thing first of all and second the load they are carrying.

Worrying about losing some trucks is ridiculous, but worrying about losing truck drivers is more rational and more of a problem... we see damaged trucks but we don't know how many men were killed or even what actually happened... it might have been a brief ambush where a group of orcs launched rockets at trucks and were turned into a red mist by the escorting light armoured vehicles.

Most ambushes will be people behind cover and out of sight poping up and launching and then running away. Having escorts of Hinds on either side looking for ambushers is not really practical, but having a few Terminators there and some vehicle operating drones above each convoy could be a solution but even then someone behind cover stands up and launches a rocket and then runs away you don't have time to do very much to stop it and if you don't act quickly they will get away to do it again...

They would be expecting this and they will do something about it... but discussing it here on an open forum is a bad idea... the Russian Army don't need us to tell them what they need to do and we certainly don't want to be giving the Orcs any ideas.

U.S, U.K did not have to deal with this huge issue in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Local insurgents could at best fire one ATGM or MANPAD at a time.

Next time that might be different...

I think in the very near future, we will see the Kremlin invest massively in the development of countermeasures, both hard kill and soft kill that are designed from the outset to deal with multiple incoming projectiles simultaneously.

I suspect they already have.... they mentioned in an article in a thread on this forum regarding very short range air defence systems with large numbers of ready to fire missiles in the 10 to 20kgs weight range for self defence from missiles and drones and bombs including artillery shells and Grad rockets.

Drones also help with awareness, but if you are in a convoy that is 300m long there will be buildings and bushes and all sorts of places that an attack can be launched from... it could be from 10m or it could be from 2km away... assuming the convoy is moving at 30-40km per hour that is an enormous volume of space to search in real time...

but one cannot assume that the rest of the ukraine egged on by nato will not be harassing this region. where does it end?

This attack is the response to harrassment... further harrassment from the rest of the Ukraine will lead to much harder treatment... regions that want to be EU and HATO that currently are not could be treated like the nazi enemy that they are.... Russia can't bomb HATO countries, but they can bomb the shit out of HATO wannabe countries...

this is my question. does this become a forever conflict?

This is a tiny recon force that has gone in and treated the country with kid gloves, if western regions want to be Chechnia then Russia will treat them like Chechnia except of course with a hostile anti Russian civilian population they don't need to care about hitting.

Because it's psyops to point out paint peels off when exposed to high heat.....RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. Last I checked paint does that, so when a vehicle gets torched there is a chance the paint will peel off based on where the flame is burning, that is not factually wrong. Christ why don't you say something else stupid.

Yeah, but if you have something made of metal with a part of it painted and the rest not painted and you set fire to it the paint just doesn't disappear and make it look like it was never painted in the first place, for all of the Z painted to disappear completely.... well it is not very likely at all.

Eh kinda thing BS on this one, why would they ship it to Keiv knowing it would get attacked, Normally supplies are sent to Lviv.

You are trying to apply logic?

Why not... why would the Ukraine join the US and EU in an open armed fight with Russia with the knowledge that the US and EU will be **** all help and the Ukraine is going to get stomped on hard.

But fair point... why would India join the US and Australia and Japan against China... maybe they think the US has got their back and will protect them?

India seems to have woken up from that American Dream.

Perhaps they thought if the Russians destroy their transport planes and all the new weapons the west is supplying them the west might change their mind about a no fly zone over the Ukraine... they are proven morons afterall.

I do apologize for having underestimated the will to fight of the Ukrainian army due to the fanaticism of some units and the widespread use of terror. Instead of surrendering wholesale, only half of them surrender, when they can, and the rest fight to the death.

Many are hyped up on Kool Aide and think the US and EU are behind them or will reward them or they just believe the BS and want to kill some Russians... honestly hope they don't get the chance to surrender... the world is a better place without them.

Ukraine is a unique animal. Better trained, informed, and equipped army but no capability for long term partisan/insurgency activities. The die hards are going to literally die off - with nobody to replace them.

The last 8 years of western asset stripping was clearly intended to prepare them for the long term hardships of being a third world country... wonder how long they will put up with that?

The Mi-28N we don't know enough about, but judging by the night work it's great as well, and none have been shot down at all

The Mi-28N probably has better armour and the entire cockpit canopy is armoured so rifle rounds from the side will not penetrate the canopy... not even 50 cal rifle shots.

The Mi-17s - could use some armor upgrades IMO, but reliable workhorses

They have been talking about armoured troop transport helos for a while...

Ignore most of the map but do we think that the UkA actually built defensive positions on the two fallback lines in that map, or are they in panic mode with bulldozers trying to do it now?

And what can they build that will withstand aircraft delivered bombs or 203mm shells?

The walls of the prison of lies in the West and especially in Ukraine are cracking with every single day the Russian military progresses towards their goal, as it becomes more and more evident on the ground who is wining, the defections among the ukrainian military will only grow and in the end Western population will feel they have been taken for idiots, once more. I haven't the slightest sympathy for them, it is inexcusably negligent to swallow the propaganda from your elites and conveniently believe you are the righteous ones and the victors, without bothering one minute to check the readily available information from the other side. Self serving cowards without a shred of intellectual integrity fully deserve the serious consequences of their errors.

When your side preaching peace and democracy and freedom of speech cuts off RT and Sputnik then you know they are hiding something... the lack of an outcry in the west for them doing this shows peace democracy and freedom are not as important as the price and availability of coffee and food and petrol and electricity... will be interesting as these things start to be effected though.

It does need good armour. Can get pelted with HMG fire on approach, as what happened on day 1

And of course a Vitebsk system and more countermeasures can't hurt, for those Mi-8s in VDV service

They have developed all sorts of new light armours for their lighter vehicles, and some new more powerful engines could be fitted to compensate for the extra weight and new rotor blades to improve flight speed and lift... there are a few ways to improve them...

Nice Onyx is pretty versatile.

India should be pleased too... it is essentially Brahmos and is working in an environment with S-300 and BUK...

I agree with Regular here. Putting additional armour on the Mi-8's will adversely effect it's performance. These are assault helicopters and they needs a fairly good level of performance. They normally do have some armour around the cockpit area which is vital against small arms. Considering the substantial air defense that was available to the Ukrs - the losses were not bad at all. It turned out that even Apaches are vulnerable to small arms.

The VDV have been talking about specialised armoured troop transport helicopters for some time now... new ceramic armours and of course new materials and new engines as well as perhaps more helicopter mounted machine gun mounts for suppressive fire will be something they are working on.

Tovarich Doktor does not like something he saw in Roentgen. He did not tell me what it is he did not like. But he will. My rank is more high than his rank so he will tell all.

I expect he will tell. Never take on a fight you can't win. If only the Orcs were smart enough to know that too...

Nice to hear from you personally.

It will add a couple of tons but such helicopters will only carry troops, so you can consider the load as the kevlar + infantry. It's not above maximum load parameters.

When it is specificially designed to carry troops like the Ka-29 then it makes sense to modify and optimise the design with kevlar and also ceramic armour layers.

Well, turns out that our Piorun is the best ze Wezt can have, ane might be actually on equal to the Verba.

Except Piorun is a copy of an Igla from the 1980s, and does not even have a proximity fuse like the Igla-S.

Verba is better in the sense that it uses a new seeker that flares and DIRCMS are not so effective against, but they are in the process of introducing a new MANPADS called Metka.

Was there any need for Russia to send tanks to Ukraine? I'm not asking this because tanks have proved to be vulnerable to ATGMs. But was there any specific strategy behind this?

A tank is a gun platform that can use direct fire to hit point targets to significant distances while being protected from any sort of small arms fire and any artillery except for a direct hit. They are a necessity of modern warfare.

For every tank that is hit there will be dozens of hundreds of enemy vehicles and positions destroyed by its fire power.

The U.S and U.K decided to send tanks to Iraq because they were there to carry out a genocide. But Russia's approach has been the exact opposite...which is to keep civilian casualties to a bare minimum.

The Ukrainians have tanks and Russian tanks will deal with them and other vehicle types.

It was stated by the Russian MoD that the Buk-M1 launcher was hit by an Iskander.

A BUK TEL is a dangerous vehicle and I bet the Russians have ten times more Iskanders than the Orcs have BUKs.

But Russia has a massive fleet of transport helicopters that can ferry infantry isn't it. They don't need to be send by roads.

Su 25 and armed UAVs can effectively neutralize enemy tanks, bunkers and snipers before the infantry is send.

Helicopters are more vulnerable than tanks... and Tanks can move with the troops and provide direct fire power to support them... main gun and machine gun.

The bastard of Biden calling to overthrow Putin in Russia. This guy is sick.

When the truth comes out and all the lies that Biden has told perhaps overthrowing Biden is the good idea...

Why wait for the orange man to kick his ass?

Methinks he is not going to enjoy election day too much. Food prices and empty shelves at the grocery store, housing crisis, and ballooning gas prices and his failings at doing anything to stop COVID strongly point to a dominant GOP victory. The good news is he is probably done as the government will be even more insanely gridlocked starting in January 2023. The problem is that the GOP is even more psychotic on military policy than the Dumbocraps.

During the election campaign he criticised Trumps handling of the Covid situation and said he would fix everything... he got elected and didn't...

I suspect his excuse will be Putin for everything.

If Trump leads the Republicans again, they will not have an aggressive policy. I'm sure Donald would have fixed this crisis with a phone call with Putin. It's that simple.

I agree... I think this Ukrainian BS is an Obama Biden play that has failed since day one but they keep pushing it.

Seeing how the missiles go straight on the target and not taking a path trying to intercept it means it was a stationary target flying at low altitude which would confirm it's a small quadcopter. The drone isn't visible so it confirms it's small drone. Tb-2 or other are visible at such distances.

Not completely disagreeing with your logic but if it wasn't very high and was rather small then TOR or Pantsir would have been a better option I would think.

It's an optional package. I believe it's on the armed versions, and most likely for special forces airdrops. But the rest of fleet most likely wouldn't need it, would just be wasting fuel.

Dedicated troop transports are being worked on, they have mentioned them as IFVs of the sky, but we haven't really seen much.

Normal military Hips do have armour but not the heavier titanium armour of the Hinds or Havocs or Hokums.

Isn't that a bit overkill iskander taking out a single BUK. Surely anti radiation missile would have been cheaper.

Iskander can kill over a vast area of territory from one place.... having aircraft fly around with ARMs invites being shot down by the targets you are hunting.

Makes more sense to send small drones and deliver coordinates to the Iskander unit for the kill.

Actually there are plenty of stupid pilots and companies. The Malaisian plane that was downed was flying in the middle of Donbas when downed eventhough use of air defence in the area was common at the time.

To be fair there were hundreds of flights over that very same airspace during the 3-4 days leading up to the shoot down... not so many after of course...

Middle generator changed for NLAWs before the Ukie border perhaps?

Who cares... blow them all up anyway...

They are likely empty and filled with all sorts of shit...

Yeah, that might be the issue, but if true - it opens a whole new window of opportunity.
Shooting a ballistic missile towards a mobile SAM system means that you can retarget it if needed ...
Or guide What a Face
Yeah, I have heard about that option ... but if true, that is mindblowing.

The Iskander comes in a range of models, including with optical and radar seekers... the optical model is normally fed a scanned image of the target before launch for the terminal portion of the attack, but I rather suspect it could also home in on a target being lased by a drone... easy enough to arrange... and with a 500kg warhead even a miss by 10m would still obliterate the target if it is a land vehicle.

EU doesn't want to do it but is Russia ready to stop gas pumping?

They have pumped gas that was paid for and no more despite the EU asking for extra supplies just in case (just in case they stop paying for instance).

I would say if they don't pay in rubles they wont get any gas... that is how it works... they wont stop for politics but they will stop when the payments stop.

China in talks with Solomon Islands to setup a base, about 2000km from Australia, Aussies throwing a tantrum, some even calling for Australia to invade to prevent this, however, many people are pointing out the hypocrisy considering what nato has done in Ukraine and how vocal the Australian government has been in supporting nato and criticising Russia
How the narrative crumbles

Yes, it appeared on the news here in NZ, where they were talking about NZ and Australia providing security support for troubles on the Soloman islands and that now they are looking to China for help instead, trying their best to make it sound sinister, but honestly it just made us seem creepy... what exactly is wrong with Chinese help... we wouldn't give it a second thought if it was US or UK help... geez we are racists...

Ukraine can counterattack in many places locally. Russia, with the present strength, will be able to further its offensive?

Russia has air power and artillery that can cover territory much faster and easier than troops in vehicles.

A larger force requires more food and more ammo and more fuel and more supply convoys to keep operational... in addition to all the supply convoys providing support for those towns and villiages that have been liberated.

If the orcs want to mass in large groups to attack Russian forces they will learn the effect of air power and artillery on soft squishy bodies.

The attacking forces should always have the upper hand. In this case, the Russian group is several times smaller than the Ukrainian forces. The coalition during the invasion of Iraq, smaller than Ukraine, numbered 700k soldiers. Iraq was much weaker militarily than Ukraine.

Smaller forces are more mobile and easier to support and supply... and with modern fire power extra numbers, especially if their comms are jammed and they are not coordinated are cannon fodder.

There is a brutal video of ukrainians shooting russian pows to kneecaps circulating on twitter. Must be a tip of an iceberg. Being captured alive should not be an option for russians. Those men were crippled for life.

Those Ukrainians will be found and dealt with and other Ukrainian soldiers might suffer more for their actions... I hope they are proud... there is no mana in tormenting and torturing prisoners, but if they are found I am sure a suitable punishment will be worked out.

Another video about russian pows being crucified alive by ukrainians.

Yeah, we know they are nazis... same applies.

These are the brotherly people according to putins outdated view.

The actions of a few scared idiots should not be used to judge the entire country... the people of the Lugansk and Donbass are Ukrainian too.

What if azeris attack armenia and Georgia attacks ossetia at the same time?

Tiblisi and Baku will burn together...

Doesnt matter. Putin will not allow bad things to be done to brotherly people.

The Ukrainian soldiers responsible will be found and dealt with, why punish all the rest for the actions of these nazis?

U.S, U.K went to Iraq to commit genocide is one of those idiotic third world comment.

It is an easy mistake to make... the cornered all the people in the cities and towns and went straight to secure the oilfields, so it is pretty obvious they were worried about the black liquid before the olive brown people... and when they "liberated" the towns and cities... they really just leveled them and blew the crap out of everything... there was nothing cautious or surgical about it... declared everyone a terrorist and opened fire... not exactly genocide, but not far off it.

A-10s, Apache's and Predator drones were sent to all major Iraqi cities before any of our tanks rolled in. We were able to effectively target Iraqi snipers, ATGM and V-SHORAD groups.

They leveled the place...

Although I don't expect Su-25 to have the same kind of hit tech situational awareness systems that A-10s and other US fighter have.

The A-10 of the time was very basic and required a TV guided missile to be carried to use as an optics pod to find targets.

The Su-25s currently used have built in optical targeting systems and laser targeting target tracking and marking equipment.

Ideally helos flying a nap of the earth profile should have targeted enemy radars with anti radiation missiles. UAVs too would have been effective in targeting enemy radar and SAM sites. It is quite clear that Russia lacks both the expertise and the technology to target Ukrainian radars, SAMs and of course ATGM units. That's why the leadership went in for this obsolete method of sending in hundreds of tanks to support infantry.

They have not sent a lot of tanks at all, these are recon forces, which do include tanks but they aren't tank divisions or motor infantry divisions...

There are a lot of really smart people in the US government, we mostly see the bought politicians.

Are you sure, because it would have been much easier to take Putin up on his offer of partnership and together they could have managed most of the problems around the world to their satisfaction with only minor accommodations.

Instead they have been shitting where they have been eating and now they have a sore tum tum... and don't know why.

The super rich have been removing the smart people from power simply by backing the fucking idiots, and that has created a mass of idiots who don't know what they are doing, they just do what they do to get the money they are getting.

It means having a composite picture of the battlefield by leveraging real time data obtained from AWACS, J-STARS, space based assets and ground based assets.

Which has never stopped a single ambush anywhere. Do you understand the billions of bits of data you would have to process to track every civilian and building and bush on a battlefield... even just in the path of one convoy that might be 500m long and moving at 30km/h... the distance a driver could be sniped would be 1km, the distance an ATGM could destroy the lead vehicle could be 5km... an artillery attack could be launched from 15km away because the convoy is on a road and if they are travelling at x km per hour and our shells take x seconds to reach the area then in y seconds we can fire a volley of shells or rockets to land on this point just as the convoy passes.

You can be scouring the entire battlefield for artillery and when they fire you can locate them and attack them but how do you stop 200 Grad rockets?

Proves how potent NATO's EW capabilities are. SU -35s for the most part are operating from heights of 30,000 feet and above and yet NATO's EW capabilities are jamming the SU 35s vital electronic systems rendering it useless. .

Not really, if its systems were rendered useless then there would be no point in flying because it would be vulnerable to attack and useless to attack Orc targets, yet it operates, which suggests it can detect the jamming sources, but continues its missions.

Just that they have destroyed dozens of Russian tanks.

So you keep saying, but the tanks shown in evidence have been Ukrainian tanks from 2014 and 2015 fighting.... so no probably not.

Saddam Hussein had the largest arsenal of SA-2 and SA-3 outside the USSR.

Fixed immobile SAMs that were enormous and easy to spot in a desert... and they didn't move.

Tell me, how many attack helos did we loose when we invaded Iraq? The initial assault on Iraq was carried out effectively by Apache helos. The much hallowed F-117 came much later.

Large fixed radar stations were taken out by Apaches because they would have been able to track the F-117s... the Apache pilots flew low over empty territory and launched missiles from stand off distances to destroy the radars and then left.

The F-117s then went in and started attacking everything else now the large longer wave radars were destroyed and only shorter wave radars were operating... shorter waves being the radar types the F-117s were designed to be hard to see from.

You lost Helos to a much weaker opponent like Serbia (6) and Iraq, but I would need to go through my 25GB of files to get the correct number.

They didn't even send helicopters or ground forces to Kosovo because the Serb forces were too powerful... probably very sensible of you really.

Azeri are controled by Turkey which is an ally of Ukraine and not a good friend of Russia.

Turkey are being more of a friend than any other HATO member so far...

Which would be good. Russia could take Azerbaijan or bomb their gas industry destroying even more the gas industry and obliging europeans and others to buy russian gas.

A warning that any shit from them and they will obliterate economic targets in Azerbaijan should be enough to stop anything from happening there.

If Georgia wants to test Russia then Tiblisi will likely burn, there are likely a few targets they have evaluated and looked at in Georgia that they would like to target... including bio weapons labs they probably want to take out of action.

More strikes, first one we knew about.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Firebird wrote:Basically like Poles and Auchwitz.

cut that crap. Poles neither build Auschwitz nor were operating it.  Brother of my Granma was there. Luckily Soviet Army freed him so he survived. He was  Pole married to a Jewish girl.

Pretty vile revisionism there. U should be ashamed. Many Poles fought vs the Nazis. And many Poles fought FOR them.
Its much like the Ukraine.
The current excuse for a government have shown some pretty vile behaviour towards Nazism

Even the United Snakes is admitting that:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/27/it-could-soon-be-a-crime-to-blame-poland-for-nazi-atrocities-and-israel-is-appalled/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/01/polands-senate-passes-holocaust-complicity-bill-despite-concerns-from-u-s-israel/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/02/02/yes-some-poles-were-nazi-collaborators-the-polish-parliament-is-trying-to-legislate-that-away/

https://www.rt.com/news/542562-polish-journalist-holocaust-tweet/

Likewise Poland is guilty of much anti Russian racism today. And willingly collaborates with the atrocities committed by the US Deep State. If we had to bet on a state most likely be at war with Russia in coming months re the Ukraine, the overwhelmingly most like answer would be Poland.

Poland needs to watch its collective mouth. Its been a major backer and agitator of the Ukrainian junta. And I personally wouldn't mind a few Kalibrs being sent to gather their thoughts.

Russian MoD published a vid of a Su-25 taking out an ammo depot

https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13510

I presume it's a Su-25SM

Looks like cannon or unguided rocket fire?

Firebird wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Firebird wrote:Basically like Poles and Auchwitz.

cut that crap. Poles neither build Auschwitz nor were operating it.  Brother of my Granma was there. Luckily Soviet Army freed him so he survived. He was  Pole married to a Jewish girl.

Pretty vile revisionism there. U should be ashamed. Many Poles fought vs the Nazis. And many Poles fought FOR them.
Its much like the Ukraine.
The current excuse for a government have shown some pretty vile behaviour towards Nazism

Even the United Snakes is admitting that:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/27/it-could-soon-be-a-crime-to-blame-poland-for-nazi-atrocities-and-israel-is-appalled/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/01/polands-senate-passes-holocaust-complicity-bill-despite-concerns-from-u-s-israel/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/02/02/yes-some-poles-were-nazi-collaborators-the-polish-parliament-is-trying-to-legislate-that-away/

https://www.rt.com/news/542562-polish-journalist-holocaust-tweet/

Likewise Poland is guilty of much anti Russian racism today. And willingly collaborates with the atrocities committed by the US Deep State. If we had to bet on a state most likely be at war with Russia in coming months re the Ukraine, the overwhelmingly most like answer would be Poland.

Poland needs to watch its collective mouth. Its been a major backer and agitator of the Ukrainian junta. And I personally wouldn't mind a few Kalibrs being sent to gather their thoughts.

What Poles fought for the Nazis?

There were Nazi collaborators of course as in every country, but as organized underground forces the only ones were the Armiya Krajowa, and Armiya Ludowa.

The Armiya Krajowa in places had some gentlemen's agreements with Nazi administrations, to leave each other alone so that the AK can focus on fighting with Ukrainian nationalists, but that was about it.

There weren't any Polish SS volunteers or anything of the sort. In Russia we had Vlasov's army, but in Poland I should note they didn't have anything like that.

If Russia blew up their compressor stations the pipeline would stop for many months.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is going on here?? This is a Russian Military Forum. Yes, we've had losses, this is to be expected however much unwanted. So be it, and I personally thank all of you for your condolences brought on mostly by the weeping women. Remind me that no matter what happens in future I have passwords that only a southern Bavarian will understand, might keep the little drippy nosed dickens' out of where they shouldn't be.

The women took over while I was ill. I'm still ill but I'm out of Hospital and I don't care how pissed off that what passes for a sawbones says. My chest feels like someone tossed a spear in it. I like it and I'll not have any more of those pablum meds that fool wants to shove up my ass, let alone the infant food Hospital says is for a 'man'. They wouldn't know a real man if he swam up and bit 'em on the ass.

Now, let's get back to work. It'll take me a day or two to get up to speed, I'm still on chemo and that shit really screws with one's balance and in theory one's cognizant abilities. Please be patient as I resurrect the 'old me' back to being the querulous old bastard I'm so proud to be.

First off. FP, I apologize for I don't know which lady braided your nostrils (but I'll find out with a little time), but a word to the wise: Never ever ever screw with a Russian Lady, she will shove her hand up your nether regions sans glove or lubricant and pull your nostrils out your butt and braid them to your toes. It's just the way they are, living with Russian men will do this to you. Just sayin', and with time you will forget having a full bore Kamaz run up your nethers. Hopefully, anyhow.

Now to work. I hear VCO boiling something in kitchen, means she's going to go sharpen a hypo on a brick and stab me in me ass again. Figures.

flamming_python wrote:

Firebird wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Firebird wrote:Basically like Poles and Auchwitz.

cut that crap. Poles neither build Auschwitz nor were operating it.  Brother of my Granma was there. Luckily Soviet Army freed him so he survived. He was  Pole married to a Jewish girl.

Pretty vile revisionism there. U should be ashamed. Many Poles fought vs the Nazis. And many Poles fought FOR them.
Its much like the Ukraine.
The current excuse for a government have shown some pretty vile behaviour towards Nazism

Even the United Snakes is admitting that:-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/27/it-could-soon-be-a-crime-to-blame-poland-for-nazi-atrocities-and-israel-is-appalled/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/01/polands-senate-passes-holocaust-complicity-bill-despite-concerns-from-u-s-israel/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/02/02/yes-some-poles-were-nazi-collaborators-the-polish-parliament-is-trying-to-legislate-that-away/

https://www.rt.com/news/542562-polish-journalist-holocaust-tweet/

Likewise Poland is guilty of much anti Russian racism today. And willingly collaborates with the atrocities committed by the US Deep State. If we had to bet on a state most likely be at war with Russia in coming months re the Ukraine, the overwhelmingly most like answer would be Poland.

Poland needs to watch its collective mouth. Its been a major backer and agitator of the Ukrainian junta. And I personally wouldn't mind a few Kalibrs being sent to gather their thoughts.

What Poles fought for the Nazis?

There were Nazi collaborators of course as in every country, but as organized underground forces the only ones were the Armiya Krajowa, and Armiya Ludowa.

The Armiya Krajowa in places had some gentlemen's agreements with Nazi administrations, to leave each other alone so that the AK can focus on fighting with Ukrainian nationalists, but that was about it.

There weren't any Polish SS volunteers or anything of the sort. In Russia we had Vlasov's army, but in Poland I should note they didn't have anything like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_the_Wehrmacht

Well this is a Western source ie pro Polish. And even they add mass collaboration.
Imagine what a more neutral ... or anti Polish source might say.
But the new Polish laws are extremely abhorrent too, as is their behaviour re the Ukraine.

Firebird wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_the_Wehrmacht

Well this is a Western source ie pro Polish. And even they add mass collaboration.
Imagine what a more neutral ... or anti Polish source might say.
But the new Polish laws are extremely abhorrent too, as is their behaviour re the Ukraine.

Listen, it's not particularly relevant anyway.

Maybe start a new thread about Poles in the Wehrmacht? Dunno

EDIT Looks like second strike at this general location

Biden´s buddies, Mariupol


A man loved by all his compatriots

flamming_python wrote:

Firebird wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_the_Wehrmacht

Well this is a Western source ie pro Polish. And even they add mass collaboration.
Imagine what a more neutral ... or anti Polish source might say.
But the new Polish laws are extremely abhorrent too, as is their behaviour re the Ukraine.

Listen, it's not particularly relevant anyway.

Maybe start a new thread about Poles in the Wehrmacht? Dunno

Paging Garry the talking bollocks thread beckons.

Colonel Denisov, Rosgardija


Ex-fuel depot

More aid arriving

'Stuff' pouring in from all over

One that didn't make it in Vinnitsa

Werewolf wrote:You are comparing the incomparable. You lost Helos to a much weaker opponent like Serbia (6) and Iraq, but I would need to go through my 25GB of files to get the correct number.

Let's not forget Vietnam:

According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. Of those servicepeople, 2,382 were killed while serving aboard UH-1 Iroquois, better known as the ubiquitous “Huey.”

https://www.vietnamwar50th.com/education/week_of_june_13/

'Auchan hypermarkets will continue to operate in Russia. The future of the stores was revealed by the CEO of the chain, Yves Claude, in the local edition of Le Journal du Dimanche.

According to Claude, he was criticized for the decision not to suspend the work of Auchan in Russia, but this did not affect his position. “The most important thing for us is to keep our employees and ensure that our main mission is to continue to feed the population of the countries. We never had another goal. I am ready to accept public opinion that does not agree with us. We are easy to criticize, but we exist, we are open and act for the benefit of the civilian population,” he stressed.

Claude added that the goal of the Auchan brand is to bring benefits wherever its outlets are located, and therefore in Russia too.

Earlier, the head of the Union of French Entrepreneurs (Medef), Geoffroy Roux de Beziers, said that French companies, which include Auchan, would not leave the Russian market.'

Another EU company with a large, very large, presence in Russia resists the pressure and stays. Benz and VW are staying too, regardless of 'publik' pontifications.

Ukrainian soldiers and foreign mercs in a position under a bridge somewhere. You can see that they arrived there in civilian cars
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/37024

Ukrainian infantry in the Kharkov region, moving around in unmarked civilian vehicles
https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/78390

Chechen infantry and Russian (or DNR) tanks working together in Mariupol, for those wondering why infantry need tank support and vice-versa
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/37030

Ukrainian booby trap, in left-behind magazine. C4 loaded into it
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/37027

Russian army movement
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/36998

Looks like a DNR tank got put out of action, but the crew managed to evacuate
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13527

Russian chopper attacking Ukrainian army positions outside Kharkov
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13509

Russian VDV convoy fighting back against an attack or ambush
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13499

Ukrainian Grad destroyed in Kharkov (artillery has no place in cities)
https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13485

Ukrainian artillery identified by a UAV and then destroyed with a missile
https://t.me/intelslava/23709

Twatter really tried to ban the above members account for this image, L(Mao)!