Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9

flamming_python wrote:
All I'm saying is that Putin decided to play right into their narrative. He was boxed into a corner maybe by some imminent Ukrainian invasion of the Donbass, maybe by NATO entering, maybe by something else. Or maybe he just decided to strike a blow against the West through the Ukraine, turning the tables, instead of the West using the Ukraine against Russia.
Who knows. Either way it's ultimately the result of his politics and policies, that he allowed the situation to develop to this stage.
He should have solved it when Trump was around and it was possible.
Otherwise what.
Summer 2021 the Biden-Putin teleconferences, when he offers Russia to detach from China and get the Ukraine problem resolved in return
November 2021 the Ukrainian leadership and the US sign some important document on NATO, the 17th I think it was. Clearly this turned out to be a critical document
December 2021 Ryabkov's ultimatum
January 2022 The Ukraine and Moldova blockade Pridnestrovie
February 2022 The operation begins

Biden hardly remembers what he had for breakfast, yet you are suggesting making strategic deals with him?
Anglosaxons can't be trusted.
This is the firmest lesson from history one can get.
From the very beginning of the operation, I could not get the point of it. Some of the movements were not logical, I could not understand them.
It only started to clear out - at least for me - when the operation continued, and some information was already there.
Russia screwed hard on the political ground. And one can't blame them. This is a direct result of the zombification of the population that started not 8, but 100+ years ago. It only intensified for the last 8 years.
The result was hard to predict because the whole situation is insane.
As a European, I really have a mental problem with understanding that EU not only tolerated this monster evolving next by but actively supported it!
It is unbelievable. Simply jumps out of the logic box.
The whole maidan thing was a direct blow to EU political interest, made by the US.
Germany, France, and Poland made a deal with Yanukovych! A fukin DEAL! Everything was solved there, it would bring a political solution. Yanuk would lose elections in just 2 months, a new government would ink a deal with the EU. There would be no civil war, no victims.
But that was not something in the interests of the US, oh no!
They needed a blow that would humiliate Russkies. Piss them straight into the face.
Obama was a madman, drunk with power. He could not stand not only Russkies having interests in the Middle East, but the Europeans solving issues in their very own backyard either.
Every single claim that was made by the republics for years, turns to be true. Every single one. Mass graves, rapes, tortures, political murders, looting&stealing.
A whole Crima was a subject of constant terrorist operations made by the SBU. Electric lines blown, pipes destroyed, people being killed.
If one has a chance to watch the materials made with Mariupol refugees, they are all saying the same thing. A whole city was given to Azov. As a trophy. It was not even considered a Ukrainian town and they openly admitted that if forced to leave - they will destroy the whole city.

The real reason of your cries, is the fact that you - and we all along - are not used to the situation, that Russia defends it's direct interests at such harsh and brutal manner.
US can strike any country on the planet, having an excuse of any sort.
UK can do it either.
France can attack Kadaffi, or keep it's troops in half of Africa.
Australia can seriously consider "preventive occupation" of Salomon Islands, not letting the Chinese in.
But Russia can't respond to SBU terrorizing it's territory, killing citizens, shelling of Donbas, hosting a biolabs, harassing Russian speaking population, and creating an open threat to it's fundamental existence? Because we are not used to it? Because Russia is a fluffy teddy bear? No. It is not one anymore.

Anglo-Saxons are NOT capable of waging a land war! We have two examples of this just in World War II; 1. landing in Normandy only in June 1944; 2. Dropping two atomic bombs over two Japanese cities, because the United States calculated that over a million American soldiers would die in the land invasion.

Since I do not see NATO getting involved in the conflict on the side of Ukraine (and NATO claims that Russia is losing), it is clear that Putin once again fucked the whole West with his cock.

IMPORTANT; All possible equipment to strike at NATO targets is completely undamaged;
* attack submarines (non-nuclear and nuclear),
* cruise missiles (air-to-ground, ship / submarine-to-ground, ground-to-ground),
* aviation (tactical and strategic), electronic warfare systems, GLONASS global surveillance satellite system, long range SAM; S-300V4, S-400, S-500.

WHAT ABOUT TANKS ? Well, How many tanks and attack helicopters do Britain, France and Germany have together? Is it a mistake that the NATO Pact in Europe invested all its forces almost EXCLUSIVELY in aviation? Yes, a big mistake. An air defense system composed of that MIM-104 Patriot JUNK is hard to call a reliable air defense system. What is the situation with anti-ship defense on American warships? Desperate, because the Americans thought that only cruise missiles on Arliegh Burke destroyers and Ticonderoga cruisers (7 of those will be decommissioned this year) were enough, while the strike on enemy ships would be done exclusively with the help of deck aircraft from the aircraft carrier.
I do not say and I do not think that the NATO Pact is weak, but it is not capable of standing on the first line with Russia.

ALAMO wrote:
Biden hardly remembers what he had for breakfast, yet you are suggesting making strategic deals with him?
Anglosaxons can't be trusted.
This is the firmest lesson from history one can get.
From the very beginning of the operation, I could not get the point of it. Some of the movements were not logical, I could not understand them.
It only started to clear out - at least for me - when the operation continued, and some information was already there.
Russia screwed hard on the political ground. And one can't blame them. This is a direct result of the zombification of the population that started not 8, but 100+ years ago. It only intensified for the last 8 years.
The result was hard to predict because the whole situation is insane.
As a European, I really have a mental problem with understanding that EU not only tolerated this monster evolving next by but actively supported it!
It is unbelievable. Simply jumps out of the logic box.
The whole maidan thing was a direct blow to EU political interest, made by the US.
Germany, France, and Poland made a deal with Yanukovych! A fukin DEAL! Everything was solved there, it would bring a political solution. Yanuk would lose elections in just 2 months, a new government would ink a deal with the EU. There would be no civil war, no victims.
But that was not something in the interests of the US, oh no!
They needed a blow that would humiliate Russkies. Piss them straight into the face.
Obama was a madman, drunk with power. He could not stand not only Russkies having interests in the Middle East, but the Europeans solving issues in their very own backyard either.
Every single claim that was made by the republics for years, turns to be true. Every single one. Mass graves, rapes, tortures, political murders, looting&stealing.
A whole Crima was a subject of constant terrorist operations made by the SBU. Electric lines blown, pipes destroyed, people being killed.
If one has a chance to watch the materials made with Mariupol refugees, they are all saying the same thing. A whole city was given to Azov. As a trophy. It was not even considered a Ukrainian town   and they openly admitted that if forced to leave - they will destroy the whole city.

Of course a deal with Biden wasn't possible
It may have been possible with Trump
Or with the Ukrainians themselves, before they became completely dependent on the US

The real reason of your cries, is the fact that you - and we all along - are not used to the situation, that Russia defends it's direct interests at such harsh and brutal manner.
US can strike any country on the planet, having an excuse of any sort.
UK can do it either.
France can attack Kadaffi, or keep it's troops in half of Africa.
Australia can seriously consider "preventive occupation" of Salomon Islands, not letting the Chinese in.
But Russia can't respond to SBU terrorizing it's territory, killing citizens, shelling of Donbas, hosting a biolabs, harassing Russian speaking population, and creating an open threat to it's fundamental existence? Because we are not used to it? Because Russia is a fluffy teddy bear? No. It is not one anymore.

Well it kind of is the most ferocious and large-scale war since Korea

Briefing by the Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation in Ukraine.

This morning, high-precision sea and air-launched missiles destroyed an oil refinery and 3 fuel depots near Odessa, from which fuel was supplied to a group of Ukrainian troops in the Nikolaev direction.

Russian Aerospace Forces air defence have downed 2 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Kudryashovka and Shurovka.

During the night, operational and tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces struck 51 military facilities of Ukraine. Among them: 4 command posts, 2 launchers of Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system near Barvenkovo and Slavyansk, 2 artillery batteries, 2 multiple rocket launchers, 4 field depots of missile and artillery weapons and ammunition near Konstantinovka and Krestishche, as well as 32 strong points and the area of concentration of military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 125 aircraft and 88 helicopters, 383 unmanned aerial vehicles, 221 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,903 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 207 multiple rocket launchers, 805 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,781 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Some victory, one must have no shame to sell this as some kind of victory for Russia

It's a disaster, but oh well, if the Ukrainians come around great

Most likely they won't,  most likely they will spit on our faces like they have for the last 30 days

If they sell it as a hohol victory. Well they earned it, our side gave them the victory , and they fought tooth and nail , so give it to them, to hell with it

I just hope we can get rid of our leadership,  although I doubt it

So incompetence will reign

Russia gets nothing out of the deal,  it's the mission accomplished moment for Putin.

We walk away with nothing except our balls cut off a knife in our eye , and nazis calling our moms to yell Slava ukraina

They lost 30,000 men, but they keep their pride and their victory

It's like chechen war 1

Я жду ответа...больше надежд нету...

Your beloved Ukrainians will be ashes and dust before this war is over. There would not even a rump Ukraine.

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

flamming_python wrote:That Ka-52 which was forced to land after taking damage during the battle of Gostomel is still there. Ukrainian troops took a photo with it.

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/51066

Begs the question of why it wasn't taken away by Russian forces, or destroyed

Or does Russia want NATO to inspect it?

Unbelievable, Ukraine has no KA-52's so its a russian bird.

They had more than enough time to destroy it if they couldn't move it, I'll need to start taking Ukraine's claims of captured equipment more seriously now.

The sheer level of incompetence here is legendary.

Well thanks, Russia. This thing will be shipped to the states soon.

I really have no words. They had over a month to move it. I mean putting aside that it's a sensitive cutting-edge piece of technology that you don't want in enemy hands - it looks comfortably salvageable, and these things aren't cheap. Could have been fixed and put back into action

Maybe they'll see the pics now and finally blow it up. But I suspect it's been carted off already.

The Russian officer corps is really something. Takes a laisez-faire approach to the conflict, it seems.

The ka-52 isn't new, western intelligence services most likely already have all the info they need on it. These details get leaked over the years, USA would be more interested in any soft kill systems it had but it didn't have president S system etc.

Russia will have to cut off western arms supply routes to Ukraine, else this conflict will go on, forever. The West intends to keep Russia bogged down in Ukraine. Kremlin can't afford to play the game on their terms.

And more importantly, Kremlin needs to fight an asymmetric war in both U.K and U.S. If 'power differential' is everything then the Taliban would have never dreamt of fighting the Americans.

flamming_python wrote:
Of course a deal with Biden wasn't possible
It may have been possible with Trump
Or with the Ukrainians themselves, before they became completely dependent on the US

It was not possible with Trump either, as he was openly contested by the other power structures in the US.
Already at Obamas second round, Putin openly admitted the shadow state existence. Something that was a conspiracy theory not so long time ago.

flamming_python wrote:
Well it kind of is the most ferocious and large-scale war since Korea

It is.
And fighting that disease would be harder and harder each day.
They have spended 5% GDP on military, excluding direct grants from the NATO members. That is functionally triple the expenditures 10 years ago.
Twice the ratio of Russia.

Isos wrote " It's a guided munition for attacking bunkers. I'm talking about bombing the troops with carpet bombing using heavy bombs. " They said that because of close proximity of forces in Donbass , to friendly forces and civilians , that air bombing could not be done ! Therefore small surface bombs or bunker busters that are accurate and explode underground , can be used . The UA in Donbass front , are lined-up in a neat row . Perfect for a bombing run . As precaution , friendly forces can retreat a few meters , beyond CEP , or blast radius for own safety , just before a bombing run . Does Russia have small but precise bombs for surface targets ? Say an artillery pieces parked in a civilian home , that destroys the artillery but not the house ? Does Russia have many bunker busters ? Americans adapted the barrel of artillery piece to become bunker buster .

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Reconstruction - do you really think Russia will agree to pay contributions as by unconditional surrender?! yet somebody has to pay for new Mariupol, roads, railways or oil terminals...why not eu?

The West have already started talking about stealing some of Russia's $300 Billion frozen CB assets to pay for Ukraine's war damages, it was beyond stupid for Russia to invest so much in countries that have been openly hostile and subversive to them for over 10 years.

Arrow wrote:It is not known whether it is Russian or Ukrainian

https://t.me/stranaua/34540

That looks like that vid of the Ukrainian Su-24 downed like 10 days ago

Stop looking at Ukrainian sources. They're insane

The best Russian telegram channels cover the losses of both sides

Sladkov took some interviews with Ukrainian captives held by the LNR and put to work sweeping streets

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/6410

In Russian only unfortunately. They aren't too talkative, but they claim they're being treated well. A couple of guys from Kiev, one from Lvov, one a local from the Donbass.

The funny part is, that they are dressed like local militia, so can't be distinguished
And that some of them declared that they want to stay in DNR already.

Broski wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Reconstruction - do you really think Russia will agree to pay contributions as by unconditional surrender?! yet somebody has to pay for new Mariupol, roads, railways or oil terminals...why not eu?

The West have already started talking about stealing some of Russia's $300 Billion frozen CB assets to pay for Ukraine's war damages, it was beyond stupid for Russia to invest so much in countries that have been openly hostile and subversive to them for over 10 years.

Would be Ukraine compensation, not West. In the great scheme of things 300 Billion USD sounds a lot, but actually its nothing. The war effort must be around 100M USD daily for Russia right now, so if the war its to continue for 2 more years with this intensity, one would get +- that number.

Well it didn't take long for this latest fake about the massacre in Bucha to be debunked

Ukrainian TV did it themselves

https://t.me/neoficialniybezsonov/10543

You can see a corpse moving his hand as the car drives by, and another corpse moving to stand up in the side mirror

ALAMO wrote:The funny part is, that they are dressed like local militia, so can't be distinguished
And that some of them declared that they want to stay in DNR already.

If I were them I'd opt to stay in the DNR right up until the war is finished at the very least

Back in Ukrainian service they have nothing to do but be sent as cannon-fodder.

As I read many Ukrainian POWs don't want to be swapped back for the time being, due to this reason.

For these guys the war is over.

Looks like Russian forces detained a local hero around Izyum

https://t.me/warjournaltg/13144

Nice collection

Can see a Kar-98k, an M1903 Springfield (?), another rifle I don't know, an MP-40, a Panzerfaust, a bunch of stick grenades, a samurai sword, a rapier and a machete

flamming_python wrote:

ALAMO wrote:The funny part is, that they are dressed like local militia, so can't be distinguished
And that some of them declared that they want to stay in DNR already.

If I were them I'd opt to stay in the DNR right up until the war is finished at the very least

Back in Ukrainian service they have nothing to do but be sent as cannon-fodder.

As I read many Ukrainian POWs don't want to be swapped back for the time being, due to this reason.

For these guys the war is over.

Not up them. If there is a chance to get some Russian pows back, should be sent back immediately (not like they will be of much actual use cleaning up) that includes the traitor from Donbas (unless he is a conscript)

Chechens distributing aid

Odessa, more fuel depots burning

"Massacre" in Bucha, pic from a shitty video. First you can see that the dead guy moves his arm and in the mirror you can see him sitting up.  

Link to the video
https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1510546598228475905?cxt=HHwWgoCqwZeIxfYpAAAA

Hole wrote:


Chechens distributing aid

They've been doing tons of that throughout the whole conflict, through their own aid organizations

As well as donating lots of goodies to the DNR and LNR militias

All our Russian nationalists are up in arms, about how they're just TikTok warriors and there for show, etc..

But nope. They sent a massive amount of fighters, who are on the front-lines and taking losses, and have been distributing a lot of aid too - those oil billions Putin subsidized them with have returned the investment.

That's sad.

That's a su-27UB of ukraine. You can see no canards and the cockpit is a a two seat 1 behind the other.

It was also shared two weeks ago with no close footage. Only today when they painted russian signs on it.

Try again.