Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

As for the negotiation topic... why should Zelensky negotiate anything

His regime said yes to nukes and bio weapons and also nazis... a jew using nazis against his neighbours... nothing is going to be negotiated with him or his kind, it is all just filling in time while the real job is getting done.

During the invasion of Iraq would they be negotiating with Saddam?

They would be talking to him so they could track his communications and geolocate him like they did several times with various international inspection teams being the bait.

Belarusian Shershen is even more capable in this scenario. And I think Belarusians have said they are working on remote control units for Konkurs ATGMs. Is there any Russian equivalent to this?

Their BRDM-2 series ATGM vehicles using AT-3 and AT-4 and AT-5 missiles were able to be operated by remote mechanism up to 100m from the vehicle I seem to remember reading.

With Kornet EM hitting armoured targets at 8.5km and soft targets at 10km remote operation is less important.

Makes no sense at all. They've terrorized the local population and the Russians are just gonna let them go terrorize in some other region of Urkaine? Really? Arrest that scum, send them to Siberia for all I care, but don't let them exit for free.

Sounds like they want the land and want the anti Russian people to leave...

Back in 2014 one of Strelkovs guys downed a Mi-24 with a Metis I seem to recall.

Bad practice to hover in place.

Standard HATO tactic was to hover behind cover launching weapons at the target... problem is that you really don't know what is nearby and a hovering helicopter is terribly vulnerable... even to unguided weapons like RPG rockets.

HATO always claimed the hind was underpowered and never hovered much because of that... the real reason is in forward flight its wings generate a good amount of lift that unloads the rotor and gives rather good manouvering performance for such a big aircraft, but also a hovering target is a sitting duck.

Let's not forget Putin claimed one of his main reasons was getting rid of guys like Azov, so kinda makes no sense your letting them walk out then.

The hard core nutters will keep fighting and fighting them in the open or a more hostile city further west and they can level the place then.

More important to get this place intact to free up troops for other jobs.

I find this amusing like 10 vehicles will do anything

The Ukraine had 2,000 odd MBTs with much better armour than this and now the US is scratching around HATO forces finding replacements.... these vehciles wont last longer or endure Russian fire any better.

There is someone very important that cannot fall into Russian hands. I'm pretty sure it's someone from the West, high ranking. I don't believe in so much effort to rescue Azov leaders. They are not worth 5 aircraft. For a while...

Will be interesting when western cruise missiles start hitting Azov positions to prevent this person or these people being captured....

I fundamentally trust that the Russian leadership will not shoot itself in the leg and castrate itself in the hope of a 'ceasefire' with the West, which will in fact only turn out to be a breather at most while hybrid war and seperatism is prepared in Russia itself.

Putins dreams of good relations with the west are over, and a ceasefire with the US makes no sense at all... when opposition in Ukraine is over there is nothing to talk to the US about.

Any resistance left in the Ukraine will only be used to kill Russians and attack Russia so it needs to be dealt with.

And then it's up to Erdogan if he wants to take his country out of neutrality or not. For Russia it no longer matters, as no negotiations are now possible with Kiev at any rate.

Ironically of all the leaders of HATO countries Erdogan is the most likely to understand Russian agreements being compromised by the UK and US for their own selfish reasons to destroy deals they want to get out of...

Look at the INF treaty or the Open Skies treaty and more appropriately the Minsk agreements....

THe world is with you...we will mourn your impending death? WTF.

Nah, we look forward to your impending capture and trial.

ILMING A FAKE SURRENDER: Russian sources claim that 267 Ukrainian Marines have surrendered in Mariupol, and they have the video. But the uniforms are too clean. Nobody is wounded. No one needs a shave, & the t-shirts are all wrong. A Navy SEAL explains why this is bogus.

They were in a city... a built up area where they had access to washingmachines and shaving kits... they might have surrendered without much of a fight... the T shirts are wrong?

I still don't understand the strategy. I mean, yes, if in the next few weeks this redeployment leads to a land bridge to Transinistria, that will be impressive. Otherwise it seems like a fiasco.

The bio weapon and nuclear threat to Russia has been largely eliminated and the process of denazification of the Ukraine is well on its way.

How long is it going to take... how ever long it takes.

The west required Russia for such things - resources and talent, but they also needed Russia's market. Russia doesn't need theirs; regardless how much the westerners have been crying about Russia's supposed failed economy.

The west benefitted from Russian talent, and sold quite a lot of goods in their market, but the reverse wasn't really true... Russia did not gain a huge amount of talent... many of the imports were thieves and fifth columnists like Bill Browder et al, and the western market was no interested in Russian products... even the very capable stuff like military equipment, so this divorce is going to hurt the west rather more than it will hurt Russia and indeed the separation will protect Russia from the seedier side of western culture for a bit longer too.

The enemy are nazis, so any future the locals could expect is worse and worse treatment at their hands until WWIII started in which case they are all dead anyway.

Russia is fighting a war here and if you are going to demand they old ground they take because if they move to different locations and the Orcs arrive and start killing their own civilians either out of spite or to fake something they can put on video for foreign support then you are the idiot.

The enemy is the problem, not the Russians... they can't save everyone and their current actions are the Ukrainians best chance at a decent future not being a US pawn in a game they have not control over and no chances of winning.

They are sending helicopter after helicopter to evacuate the NATO guys stuck there, if they manage to rescue them it would be a lost opportunity for Russia.

Sounds like the offer of safe passage is no longer valid... I rather think they want this person or these people alive...

Werewolf wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:I find this amusing like 10 vehicles will do anything

https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/1511383799308988416

Shot down the C-17, make it fucking clear that those who support fascism and war against Russia will be Kalibrated accordingly!

Australia has in all but name declared war on Russia, they are not a NATO member state, its a military aircraft delivering weapons to kill Russians, a legitimate target imo. But Russia wont do it.

These tossers are a not even a paper tiger, like many of the US protectorates, just acting belligerently and way above their own means devoid of reality, I would love nothing more than to see them brought back down to earth.

owais.usmani wrote:So now when almost every Nazi in Mariupol is confined to Azovstal plant, what is stopping Russia from sending a dozen Tu-22 and Su-34 and carpet bomb that whole place?

They are sending helicopter after helicopter to evacuate the NATO guys stuck there, if they manage to rescue them it would be a lost opportunity for Russia.

Also one thing I am confused about, reports say the last two helicopters shot down came from the sea side. How is that possible? Isn't the sea of Azov totally under Russian control now? And suppose if they do succeed in evacuating the NATO guys stuck in the plant, where would they take them eventually? Any ship they are taken to would have to cross the Kerch strait to escape. The territories on the western side are apparently all under Russian control right uptil Crimea, so where else? So even the helicopters escape being shot down, how are they going to evacuate the NATO guys anyway?

I am not sure if this is true , some folks on TG were saying that apparently the Ukrops  encouraged civilians to shelter there early on, under the guise of a safe space away from the fighting, so they could end up using them as human shields. Considering the low level of bombardment so far and the latest offer of surrender, wouldn’t surprise me if they had a considerable number of civilian hostages there.

Im praying for a blitzkreig through eastern ukraine and to capture the nikolaev shipayrds intact. I also pray for kirovograd, dnepropetrovsk and poltava to be liberated. I pray for the Russian air force to not have any more losses and for the russian army to retrieve all captured equipment.

I read yesterday, I can't find that link now, of a Western analyst and his vision of how to fight against Russia if Russia decides to take part of Lithuania and build a land corridor to Belarus. The text is in the context of the decision of the Baltic "superpowers", Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which are on the verge of closing or have closed the border with Russia and Belarus.
Basically, this "genius" from analysts states that the NAZI-NATO pact should deliver an additional amount of fighter jets and, among other things, I quote him; "if it is necessary to carry out air strikes on St. Petersburg".

Where did they get such sick ideas.
I think that such a thing would automatically mean nuclear war.

owais.usmani wrote:
Where is that C-17 going to land actually? Any airports still left must be completely destroyed.

They'll land in Poland. They wont be entering Ukrainian airspace. Other than that. Uzhorod International airport in Ukraine tho appears to remain untouched.

JohninMK wrote:We need a Seig comment on these comments by a former Seal Team 6 Assault Commander?

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FILMING A FAKE SURRENDER: Russian sources claim that 267 Ukrainian Marines have surrendered in Mariupol, and they have the video.   But the uniforms are too clean. Nobody is wounded. No one needs a shave, &  the t-shirts are all wrong.  A Navy SEAL explains why this is bogus.

In the video it is clear that these guys are surrendering FROM their positions - it would not be uncommon for them to still have some gear on them. From the debrief (lecture) it shows that all of that stuff has now been stripped and cleared away >>

Point 4. AND THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING?????? HMMMMMM NEO NAZIS AT IT AGAIN. POISONING WELLS IS A BREECH AGAINST GENEVA CONVENTION. ZELENSKY IS A WAR CRIMINAL

Updates

1) Russian missiles hit oil depot in Novomoskovsk and a plant in Synelnykove

2) Ukrainian Railways company evacuated 15000 people from Pokrovsk, Kramatorsk, Sloviansk and Lozova today

3) US is training Ukrainians outside of Ukraine including here in the US, per @SecDef and Gen. Milley. No training inside Ukraine or Poland, they say

4) A missile on the route to Ternopil' was shot down over Kremenets and has fallen on the warehouse with mineral fertilizers. As ammonia concentration in the ground water increased, local residents were asked not to use water wells.

Firebird wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:I read yesterday, I can't find that link now, of a Western analyst and his vision of how to fight against Russia if Russia decides to take part of Lithuania and build a land corridor to Belarus. The text is in the context of the decision of the Baltic "superpowers", Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which are on the verge of closing or have closed the border with Russia and Belarus.
Basically, this "genius" from analysts states that the NAZI-NATO pact should deliver an additional amount of fighter jets and, among other things, I quote him; "if it is necessary to carry out air strikes on St. Petersburg".

Where did they get such sick ideas.
I think that such a thing would automatically mean nuclear war.

A few decades ago, NATO putting Nazis in control of the Ukraine would mean nuclear war.
I sometimes wonder, if Russia's conventional army was weaker... the nuclear threat would be stronger, and the American demons might have tried less evil.
Its a dangerous belief... but  we are not dealing with rational characters.

Any air strike on St. Petersburg or Moscow would surely lead to a nuclear war. That would be "patriotic war number 2" for Russia, and it is certain that this would be the end of all stories.

Observing all this about Russia and the NAZI-NATO pact, I am already convinced that China is the number one military superpower, with the exception of nuclear weapons and attack nuclear submarines.

MOSCOW, 6 April. /TASS/. The crew of the Bastion coastal missile system launched two Onyx missiles at ground targets located on the territory of Ukraine. This was reported to journalists in the Russian Defense Ministry. "The crew of the Bastion coastal missile system from the Black Sea coast launched two high-precision Onyx missiles at designated ground targets on the territory of Ukraine," the report says.

As specified in the military department, the launches were carried out as part of the tasks of a special military operation. The footage released by the Russian Defense Ministry shows how the rocket is launched. Earlier, the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Igor Konashenkov, said that on the morning of April 6, high-precision air and ground-based missiles destroyed five bases for storing fuel and lubricants in the areas of the settlements of Radekhov, Kazatin, Prosyanaya, Nikolaev and Novomoskovsk, which supplied fuel to military equipment of Ukrainian troops. in the districts of Kharkov, Nikolaev and in the Donbass.


Link and video link..

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14293841

MOSCOW, 6 April. /TASS/. The Russian Armed Forces, using high-precision air- and ground-based missiles, destroyed five bases for storing fuels and lubricants (fuels and lubricants) that supplied Ukrainian troops. Igor Konashenkov, official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters about this on Wednesday.
"On the morning of April 6, high-precision air and ground-based missiles destroyed five bases for storing fuel and lubricants in the areas of the settlements of Radekhov, Kazatin, Prosyanaya, Nikolaev and Novomoskovsk," Konashenkov said. According to the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, they were used to supply fuel to military equipment for groups of Ukrainian troops in the regions of Kharkov, Nikolaev and in the Donbass.

Konashenkov said that Russian air defense systems shot down four Ukrainian drones overnight in the area of ​​Berdyansk, Chernobaevka, Gornyak and Uvansky. According to him, Russian operational-tactical aviation and missile forces destroyed 24 more military facilities in Ukraine overnight, including five logistics depots.
"During the night, operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces and missile forces hit 24 military facilities of Ukraine. Among them, the Osa-AKM air defense system, five logistics depots, as well as 11 strongholds and areas of concentration of military equipment of Ukrainian troops," - he said. Konashenkov said that since the beginning of the special military operation, the Russian armed forces have destroyed 407 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), 215 multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) and 1,981 tanks and armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This was announced on Wednesday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov.

"In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 125 aircraft, 93 helicopters, 407 unmanned aerial vehicles, 227 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,981 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 215 multiple rocket launchers, 854 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 1,882 units of special military vehicles," he said.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14293287

Im praying for a blitzkreig through eastern ukraine and to capture the nikolaev shipayrds intact. I also pray for kirovograd, dnepropetrovsk and poltava to be liberated. I pray for the Russian air force to not have any more losses and for the russian army to retrieve all captured equipment.

The shipyards haven't been intact for the last decade, they are an antiquated shell of what they were... there is no coming back from this... they are demilitarising the country... would not make much sense to rebuild their shipyard so they can make warships again.

Liberating those towns I fully support and agree with though.

They'll land in Poland. They wont be entering Ukrainian airspace. Other than that. Uzhorod International airport in Ukraine tho appears to remain untouched.

How much longer will it remain untouched if they start landing weapons?

4) A missile on the route to Ternopil' was shot down over Kremenets and has fallen on the warehouse with mineral fertilizers. As ammonia concentration in the ground water increased, local residents were asked not to use water wells.

That is going to be a serious ecological problem... not to mention next year when it should be being used as fertiliser.

Observing all this about Russia and the NAZI-NATO pact, I am already convinced that China is the number one military superpower, with the exception of nuclear weapons and attack nuclear submarines.

Western pressure and stupidity could create a new military pact between China and India and Russia that will dwarf HATO... Russia will now likely strengthen its naval fleet and merchant marine fleet too and China and India will no doubt do the same... the west has been very short sighted.

To be honest Garry, regardless of all possible precisely specified types of missiles and multi-role fighter planes, it can be seen that in 2022 the military boot still plays a role - and the Chinese have the most boots.


The West is as it is, more and more dilapidated and corrosive.
I will not write at all about the "wet dreams" of the West about the war between China and Russia, the occupation of Siberia by China, but I am sure that the Chinese are more disciplined than the Russians, especially from the West. I wouldn’t be in Japan’s skin anyway.

Serberus wrote:

owais.usmani wrote:So now when almost every Nazi in Mariupol is confined to Azovstal plant, what is stopping Russia from sending a dozen Tu-22 and Su-34 and carpet bomb that whole place?

They are sending helicopter after helicopter to evacuate the NATO guys stuck there, if they manage to rescue them it would be a lost opportunity for Russia.

Also one thing I am confused about, reports say the last two helicopters shot down came from the sea side. How is that possible? Isn't the sea of Azov totally under Russian control now? And suppose if they do succeed in evacuating the NATO guys stuck in the plant, where would they take them eventually? Any ship they are taken to would have to cross the Kerch strait to escape. The territories on the western side are apparently all under Russian control right uptil Crimea, so where else? So even the helicopters escape being shot down, how are they going to evacuate the NATO guys anyway?

I am not sure if this is true , some folks on TG were saying that apparently the Ukrops  encouraged civilians to shelter there early on, under the guise of a safe space away from the fighting, so they could end up using them as human shields. Considering the low level of bombardment so far and the latest offer of surrender, wouldn’t surprise me if they had a considerable number of civilian hostages there.

Flying in over the sea would seem to me the best, but still high risk, final approach when you control the sea front but the bulk of the flight would be over land, on a flight path, probably planned on the basis of US Intel, well to the west of Mariupol.

As one would expect, the Russians have now got the sea route well covered.

So Facebook today have banned anyone from within Russia posting ads. However.........

Something VERY odd happened to me today. I received a message on the charity page which is a Kenyan based charity saying that I any ads created by me won't be shown. Firstly I am in Uganda not Russia and I don't use a VPN. Secondly I am a UK citizen. So the only reason for this I believe is that anyone who follows RT news on Facebook or likes any of their posts are considered for this ban. So Facebook have started to persecute anyone who has an opinion opposite to theirs, or persecutes u for a political stance. Facebook has in my eyes are fully corrupted and forcing a political agenda on people. It's disgusting behaviour. See pic

https://t.me/swodki/61990
Wehrmacht troops being buried in Donbas and theres a shitload of them, according to local authorities Kiev does not respond to requests for transfer of their own soldiers bodies which is hardly surprising considering their overall disregard for human life including those of civilians.

GarryB wrote:

They also need some better tanks. Some of the ones I have seen are falling apart, literally. The pretence of this being an internal Ukrainian problem has long passed, Donbas troops should be regarded as good as Russian by now and get the stuff they need to do the job

Yes, replace those 23mm cannon barrels used with blank rounds to fire 23mm cannon shell projectiles with 40mm underbarrel grenade launchers... and modern equipment and weapons.

What? The design of the tank will have to be changed to accommodate a 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher instead of a 23mm cannon.

d_taddei2 wrote:So Facebook today have banned anyone from within Russia posting ads. However.........

Something VERY odd happened to me today. I received a message on the charity page which is a Kenyan based charity saying that I any ads created by me won't be shown. Firstly I am in Uganda not Russia and I don't use a VPN. Secondly I am a UK citizen. So the only reason for this I believe is that anyone who follows RT news on Facebook or likes any of their posts are considered for this ban. So Facebook have started to persecute anyone who has an opinion opposite to theirs, or persecutes u for a political stance. Facebook has in my eyes are fully corrupted and forcing a political agenda on people. It's disgusting behaviour. See pic

I think Hitler would be horrified by what they are doing. The USSR peacefully left the world stage, the USA is not able to do that.