Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

jhelb wrote:Do we have some clarity on what missile was used to shoot down the Su 35? Or was just electronic warfare that was employed.

As an aside was in Germany this week, thousands of Russians living in Germany are taking to the streets in support of Russia.

ludovicense wrote:AZ Military News
@AZmilitary1
In Mariupol, NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and "neutral" Sweden got stuck on Azovstal. They are contacting the Russian troops right now with a request to help them leave, organize a corridor to exit

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Very close to confirming what I suspected.

Regular wrote:

ludovicense wrote:AZ Military News
@AZmilitary1
In Mariupol, NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and "neutral" Sweden got stuck on Azovstal. They are contacting the Russian troops right now with a request to help them leave, organize a corridor to exit

.....

Very close to confirming what I suspected.

There will be no corridor. I doubt about contact, could be a ruse for Azov to escape. Most likely they will have to join the rest of POWs and wait till they are identified and eventually - released. No one will execute them.

Regular wrote:

ludovicense wrote:AZ Military News
@AZmilitary1
In Mariupol, NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and "neutral" Sweden got stuck on Azovstal. They are contacting the Russian troops right now with a request to help them leave, organize a corridor to exit

.....

Very close to confirming what I suspected.

There will be no corridor. I doubt about contact, could be a ruse for Azov to escape. Most likely they will have to join the rest of POWs and wait till they are identified and eventually - released. No one will execute them.

d_taddei2 wrote:

jhelb wrote:Do we have some clarity on what missile was used to shoot down the Su 35? Or was just electronic warfare that was employed.

As an aside was in Germany this week, thousands of Russians living in Germany are taking to the streets in support of Russia.

There is some members saying it wasn't a su-35 and some saying it is, it's a bit of a debate. I posted a link a couple of pages back with an article saying it was taken down by a upgraded version of SA-3/ S-125

Erk wrote:

Regular wrote:

ludovicense wrote:AZ Military News
@AZmilitary1
In Mariupol, NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and "neutral" Sweden got stuck on Azovstal. They are contacting the Russian troops right now with a request to help them leave, organize a corridor to exit

.....

Very close to confirming what I suspected.

There will be no corridor. I doubt about contact, could be a ruse for Azov to escape. Most likely they will have to join the rest of POWs and wait till they are identified and eventually - released. No one will execute them.

It would be smart for the Russians to capture whoever the VIPs are, and get them on film, expose to the world.
I am surprised Ukraine left the helicopter rescue until the last minute. They had weeks to get them out.

Serberus wrote:
Australia has in all but name declared war on Russia, they are not a NATO member state, its a military aircraft delivering weapons  to kill Russians, a legitimate target imo. But Russia wont do it.

These tossers are a not even a paper tiger, like many of the US protectorates, just acting belligerently and way above their own means devoid of reality, I would love nothing more than to see them brought back down to earth.

sepheronx wrote:

Mir wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

jhelb wrote:Do we have some clarity on what missile was used to shoot down the Su 35? Or was just electronic warfare that was employed.

As an aside was in Germany this week, thousands of Russians living in Germany are taking to the streets in support of Russia.

There is some members saying it wasn't a su-35 and some saying it is, it's a bit of a debate. I posted a link a couple of pages back with an article saying it was taken down by a upgraded version of SA-3/ S-125

The nosecone clearly indicates an Su-35S. The pictures do look a bit surreal but I do believe it to be for real. It appears the fighter hit the ground belly first so it was going down in a uncontrolled spin. Could even have been a technical issue?

I bring to question the claim it was shot down with a SA-3.  The wreckage would be far greater and more spread out.  This looks to be more like hit with something smaller, pilot ejected, and plane hit the ground.

Regardless, the plane is destroyed but doesn't matter as it is replaceable.  The pilot isn't.

d_taddei2 wrote:EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell says the EU has given €35bn to Putin in energy payments since the start of the war, compared to €1bn given to Ukraine in arms and weapons



The EUCO president Charles Michel says that sanction measures on oil or gas will be needed "sooner or later"

EU_Commission president Ursula says "we have to look into oil"
but did not mention gas

d_taddei2 wrote:EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell says the EU has given €35bn to Putin in energy payments since the start of the war, compared to €1bn given to Ukraine in arms and weapons



The EUCO president Charles Michel says that sanction measures on oil or gas will be needed "sooner or later"

EU_Commission president Ursula says "we have to look into oil"
but did not mention gas

d_taddei2 wrote:There is some members saying it wasn't a su-35 and some saying it is, it's a bit of a debate. I posted a link a couple of pages back with an article saying it was taken down by a upgraded version of SA-3/ S-125

jhelb wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:There is some members saying it wasn't a su-35 and some saying it is, it's a bit of a debate. I posted a link a couple of pages back with an article saying it was taken down by a upgraded version of SA-3/ S-125

Ukro Nazi's S-300 was destroyed so they are only left with BUK.

Maybe all the Russian fighter were shot down with BUK including the Su 34 and Su 27.