Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

Isos wrote: What for ? Haven't they seen how easily they destroy them ?

The inverse is also true. Maybe because Russian fighter aircraft like the Su -35 were shot down by S-300 and not necessarily a BUK.

Isos wrote:

What for ? Haven't they seen how easily they destroy them ?

Well to replace their losses. Ukraine lost their S-300's.

US is destroying the western european militaries. They will then sell them US stuff for billions like the 250 abrams for 5 billion which translate to 20 million $ piece.

Nah, standardize them with American equipment i see. But of course, those with industries leftover from Soviet era will lose their manufacturing capability. Poland is expected to lost their tank manufacturing industries and expertise. and many others.

The ruble is at 72 per USD, at least the economic performance of the currency is stellar, also Tupolev is building the 214 , in quantity of at least 70 as stated by UAC

This Ukrainian war has many faces

If Bush Sr and Cheney launched Iraq for their own profits, ours benefit somehow from this protracted fighting and decoupling from West

Maybe the longer it last the more time we have to strengthen the currency and to reorient the trade

The problem is not the Russian currency but the economic blockade these countries are doing.
In particular what is in effective practice a block on transportation. Even if European corporations don't stop trade following the bandwagon they can neither transport goods nor pay using SWIFT. Russia will have to switch suppliers to Asia but this will both take time and be expensive. Then again I think it will be worse for Europe.

We can safely say at this point that Russia is on top of the economic issues.

The same cannot be said for the military issues.

Serberus wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Regular wrote:Nice to see Serbia voting to suspend Russia. Not that it means much, but abstaining itself was a gesture other countries took.

I don't think Russia should show any support to Serbia at all, they are de facto Western vassals.

No they're just hedging bets

Wouldn't want to put themselves in the line of fire

To be honest I don't blame them. We didn't stick up for them in the 90s. So they're going to quietly just go along with whatever until we reach them ourselves. As it is now, they're surrounded by NATO.

We are surrounded by both enemies and Nato, the situations for us is extremely difficult at the moment even without the Kosovo issue that multiplies the problem 10 fold. We are a small nation with limited military  power. But I expected them to at least abstain, people are furious with the vote as I am.
@Regular
Calling Serbia a western vassal is beyond insulting, we have been their punching bag for 30 years now with Russia providing minimal assistance on the ground , but are still sticking by Russia for the most part (the government that is)
The majority of our people will never go against Russia regardless.

True...going against Russia is in our boook equal to high treason.

Hole wrote:
One of Elenski´s buddies first claimed it was a Iskander, then the clown himself said it was a Totchka.

He is an actor, he reads scripts. The problem there is no cut in live transmission. Next year he is gonna get Oscar, only condition no Will Smith to slap him for talking shit.

Has the Russian government finally realized that any signs of good will are going to be shamelessly exploited? The Ukrainian regime has already admitted that even after this war has ended, they would start a brutal war against their own Russian citizens: The Ukrainian embassador in Germany said "All Russians are enemies" and Zelensky said "Ukraine will be like Israel", which very likely means the Ukrainians would put Russsian civilians in concentration-camp-like locations like the Zionists did to Palestinians in Gaza.
I am disgusted by most European nations that are supporting and whitewashing these reckless fascists.

sepheronx wrote:The head of the European Council, Charles Michel, has already blamed Russia for the missile attack on Kramatorsk.
Fucked up...

https://t.me/swodki/64114

What's f*cked up is the brain of the typical NATzO mass media consumer. Russia could have bombed tens of thousands of civilians
into the afterlife like the Americans usually do and claimed collateral damage. But the tinfoil hat BS that the western public swallows
is that Russia stages isolated atrocities against civilians for no particular reason other than to bring hate upon itself. This is obviously
White Helmets theater in "Ukraine".

I've just posted this on ZeroHedge

Contrary to initial Ukrainian claims that it was an Iskander, after a photo appeared of the rocket body they had to admit it was a Tochka. A missile that was taken out of Russian service over 10 years ago but has been heavily used by the Ukrainian Army in this conflict. Sounds a bit like the Buk/MH-17 incident.

Interestingly it carried an anti personnel cluster warhead, not the high explosive version that would have been used if the railway was the target. This is the same rocket/warhead combination that was used by the Ukrainian Army a couple of weeks ago to kill 20 or so civilians queuing at a bank in the center of Donetsk.

The rocket hit at almost the exact time an EU group arrived in Kiev.

There is a recent video that claimed a group of four transiting Tochka were Russian but two were in Ukrainian cammo scheme.

This incident has the same nasty false flag attributes as the others. Even though they look like us, anyone who thinks that the Ukrainian Government is 'like us' or operates to the same ethical standards is deluding themselves.

A potential nail in this one's coffin, that will be ignored, is the direction of travel, as shown by the evidence on the ground, the SE, and the Tochka's range, which is less than the distance to the nearest Russian lines but is spot on for the very large concentration of the Ukrainian Army in Donbas.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-condemns-horrific-russian-attack-train-station-which-left-30-dead-kremlin-rejects

Sujoy wrote:

Isos wrote: What for ? Haven't they seen how easily they destroy them ?  

The inverse is also true. Maybe because Russian fighter aircraft like the Su -35 were shot down by S-300 and not necessarily a BUK.

S-300 are picked up as soon as they are turned on and destroyed. Ukraine has no more IADS, all their systems are working alone.

It's just a matter of time before they desttoy them.

With Ukraine harping on about Russia creating mass Destruction on various targets, I think Russia should just drop a FOAB on Ukrainian troops in the Donbass pocket then say hey this is mass Destruction this is what it looks like do you want us to show you it again another example? U can think about while u pick up the hundreds if not 1000+ orc body parts.

Ukraine probably needs to keep the railway open to to ferry the large quantities of dead troops as trucks simply can't keep up.

Zelensky needs to face criminal charges in the Hague along with his generals. I would make that a condition of any agreement now.

Slovakia sending it's old S-300 won't do anything to help Ukraine, old Czech tanks the same. Ukraine stated they didn't want old Soviet equipment they want new shiny western equipment they don't have a clue how to use, dumb very dumb.

Russia needs to get the cauldron burning, and fast, all Ukrainian POWs should be imprisoned until after the war, not send back immediately to fight again The atrocities they have committed are horrific to say the least.

Stealthflanker wrote:

Isos wrote:

What for ? Haven't they seen how easily they destroy them ?

Well to replace their losses. Ukraine lost their S-300's.

US is destroying the western european militaries. They will then sell them US stuff for billions like the 250 abrams for 5 billion which translate to 20 million $ piece.

Nah, standardize them with American equipment i see. But of course, those with industries leftover from Soviet era will lose their manufacturing capability.  Poland is expected to lost their tank manufacturing industries and expertise. and many others.

Replace and get annhilted in few days.

Standardize with european money, buy US stuff and destroy their own industry. They already bought 250 abrams and are buying f-35.

This whole war criminal thing is ridiculous

Why do we care if they call us war criminals?

There can be no ceasefire , and has the offensive already commenced?

This is moving very slowly

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:The head of the European Council, Charles Michel, has already blamed Russia for the missile attack on Kramatorsk.
Fucked up...

https://t.me/swodki/64114

What's f*cked up is the brain of the typical NATzO mass media consumer.   Russia could have bombed tens of thousands of civilians
into the afterlife like the Americans usually do and claimed collateral damage.   But the tinfoil hat BS that the western public swallows
is that Russia stages isolated atrocities against civilians for no particular reason other than to bring hate upon itself.   This is obviously
White Helmets theater in "Ukraine".  

That´s all they have left. No more fake victories on the battlefield, just made up stories about evil russians killing innocent people, eating babies and stealing bread from some random grandma.

JohninMK wrote:I've just posted this on ZeroHedge

Contrary to initial Ukrainian claims that it was an Iskander, after a photo appeared of the rocket body they had to admit it was a Tochka. A missile that was taken out of Russian service over 10 years ago but has been heavily used by the Ukrainian Army in this conflict. Sounds a bit like the Buk/MH-17 incident.

Interestingly it carried an anti personnel cluster warhead, not the high explosive version that would have been used if the railway was the target. This is the same rocket/warhead combination that was used by the Ukrainian Army a couple of weeks ago to kill 20 or so civilians queuing at a bank in the center of Donetsk.

The rocket hit at almost the exact time an EU group arrived in Kiev.

There is a recent video that claimed a group of four transiting Tochka were Russian but two were in Ukrainian cammo scheme.

This incident has the same nasty false flag attributes as the others. Even though they look like us, anyone who thinks that the Ukrainian Government is 'like us' or operates to the same ethical standards is deluding themselves.

A potential nail in this one's coffin, that will be ignored, is the direction of travel, as shown by the evidence on the ground, the SE, and the Tochka's range, which is less than the distance to the nearest Russian lines but is spot on for the very large concentration of the Ukrainian Army in Donbas.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-condemns-horrific-russian-attack-train-station-which-left-30-dead-kremlin-rejects

I´m around for quit a while now but it´s still amazes me how easy the western politicians and presstitutes swallow the shit they produce themselfs.

Like the post a few days ago from some western presstitute which showed ukrainian and russian losses. They really believe that 150+ russian planes were shot down. Easy to debunk. They had sat pics from fully packed russian airbases before the war started and they have the same pics now. If these losses were true there would be a lot of empty parking spots right now but miraciously those pics are not longer shown to the public.

One guy in the local chat of Kramatorsk is saying that he has relatives in the Pokrovskiy district, which is some 50-60km south-west of Kramatorsk (Ukrainian-held territory). According to his relatives, the Tochka flew out from there
https://t.me/neoficialniybezsonov/10971

All these chats, forums, etc.. in the Ukraine BTW, are dominated by Maidanists and nationalists, and have been since before the Maidan as well. People who voice an alternative opinion are banned. Or maybe someone will even come for them in real life..

Although in practice the vast majority of them prefer Russian news to Ukrainian, per a local poll (important that it's an anonymous one)
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/7168

This matches with the official statement of the Russian MoD, which states that the rocket was launched from around Dobropolye - which is right next to the Pokrovskiy district
https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-04-08/425978-udar_po_kramatorsku_nanes_ukrainskiy_raketnyy_divizion_iz_rayona_naselennogo_punkta_dobropolie_soobschili_v_minoborony



Someone else calculated the azimuth based on the position of the rocket booster
https://t.me/milinfolive/80691

The 4th pic shows a 120km line (max range of the Tochka-U) drawn per that azimuth from Kramatorsk. At no point does it intersect DNR-held territory.

It is dead obvious that the Tochka-U came from the southwest, and RU MoD says they tracked it from Dobropillya, which fully matches the early trajectory estimates and eyewitness accounts of the missile in flight.

How are they going to weasel themselves out of this one? All kinds of top politicians and officials from Ukraine, EU and US have already made loads of "emotional" statements, blaming Russia, citing it as proof of Russias supposed policy of killing everyone they can etc.

Hannibal Barca wrote:We can safely say at this point that Russia is on top of the economic issues.

The same cannot be said for the military issues.

I disagree, the initial strategy was a failure but all reports from the front indicate that the Ukrainian position in the Donbass is increasingly desperate

The UK, US, France have all been recommending Zelensky to withdraw men from the Donbass front towards a second line around Zaporozhie or Dnepropetrovsk

However he keeps pouring them in, and fresh barely-trained mobilized reserves at that.

In fact for a withdrawal to Zaporozhie it's already too late, the route is within range of all sorts of Russian artillery. For Dnepropetrovsk the Ukrainians still have a chance, but they'll have to leave most of their equipment behind or it'll get targeted by airpower.

Whatever the result is - either a massive rout of Ukrainian forces, or their encirclement and mass-surrender - the Ukrainian propaganda line will collapse and with it all morale. Hence the desperate move at flying a Tochka into Kramatorsk. It won't work though, that sort of thing will just lose Kiev the propaganda war.

Fk the west, they are hell bent on blaming Russia for everything, its absolutely pathetic. Tbh ukr pow should be removed from the field/theatre and returned after the operation is completed. Keep them out of the fight if they survived and surrendered.

Once clear from mariupol after some R+R. They need to push hard, move north from mariupol get the momentum moving forwards. Already we are seeing a build up of forces through izyum, after the cauldron is shut, they need to rain down hell on them fkrs. Maybe use su24 and Tu22m3 with svp-24, drop shit loads of fab 250/500 on them. Bring in more su25sm3 into the fight. Then move on towards odessa. Make the land bridge to transnistria. Cut them off from the black sea permanently.

Am sure SOF teams are working the western part, intercepting supplies from them nazi loving cnts. Overall they are doing a great job, especially with the aid deliveries and treatment of those who are injured etc. Good to see the vids of civilians coming to greet RF forces, all this shit is worth it for the people of donbass and people suppressed in ukr.

We have to see this through to the end. It is nail biting, but those of us who know, saw this point was coming along time ago. Now we have to deal with this the best we can. The world needs to open its eyes and see how expendable countries are to western world, they don't give fk about anyone other than themselves. History has proven this time and time again.

Sujoy wrote:Where there is a WILL

https://twitter.com/KhangXVu/status/1512279943253835792?s=20&t=pMPQDb86vPRp3S0vjWy0xg

Sujoy I must admit I often don't like the stuff that you post but this is an absolute gem - THANKS for posting!

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:It is dead obvious that the Tochka-U came from the southwest, and RU MoD says they tracked it from Dobropillya, which fully matches the early trajectory estimates and eyewitness accounts of the missile in flight.

How are they going to weasel themselves out of this one? All kinds of top politicians and officials from Ukraine, EU and US have already made loads of "emotional" statements, blaming Russia, citing it as proof of Russias supposed policy of killing everyone they can etc.

The Ukrainian MoD is pointing to the 2022 joint Russian-Belarussian exercises 'United Resolve' which took place shortly before this operation began in the Ukraine, where Belarussian Tochka-Us took part

They're saying that per the Pentagon's assessments of Russia running low on cruise missiles, they've had to resort to Tochkas from Belarus

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/7163

Well yes, Belarus does have Tochka-Us in service. They're all in Belarus, and are far out of range of Kramatorsk
Furthermore, Russia has its own Tochkas in reserve. If it really wanted to, it can put them back in service. But there's no evidence whatsoever that it has. All the Tochka-U strikes this conflict have been against Russian or DNR targets. Donetsk a few times, with the Russian ship in Berdyansk reportedly ignited by a Tochka, and apparently an airbase in the Belgorod region early in the conflict too. Might have been another Russian unit which was struck in Belgorod. There have also been missile interceptions in the Kherson region and in Belgorod, possibly of incoming Tochka-Us

In other words, all usage of the Tochka so far in this conflict have been by the Ukrainian side.

Artillery observer vs nazi position. Mariupol?
https://t.me/Anna_News_MSK/7737

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:It is dead obvious that the Tochka-U came from the southwest, and RU MoD says they tracked it from Dobropillya, which fully matches the early trajectory estimates and eyewitness accounts of the missile in flight.

How are they going to weasel themselves out of this one? All kinds of top politicians and officials from Ukraine, EU and US have already made loads of "emotional" statements, blaming Russia, citing it as proof of Russias supposed policy of killing everyone they can etc.

its easy there are evidence but we cannot show them  and Russian radars are part of propaganda machine. If you dont believe you are Russian troll or gremlin from Kremlin