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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:22 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:I joked in the last post that I wrote that Garry was taking us to the front. I just wanted to see the reaction.

    This is my opinion on the development of the Russian Armed Forces after this operation.
    As for the price of use of cruise missiles, supersonic missiles or precisely guided anti-tank missiles and the fact that it is also expensive ...Well, it's not, because I'm convinced that Russia produces one Caliber for a price far less than one million dollars. The loss of a military plane is far more expensive, while the construction of attack and strategic nuclear submarines is incomparably more expensive.

    * As far as I can see, Russia also uses a large amount of non-modernized T-72B and T-80BV tanks. Even those are enough against the AFU. The West will continue to talk about "Russia will not have the money to produce new tanks after this operation", even though that West has no tanks. First of all, France, Germany and GB do not have enough of them. Even the T-72B3 and T-80BVM tanks are only a temporary measure until mass production of the T-14 begins. In fact, I am convinced that in the next few years, the T-90M will be the number 1 tank in terms of the number of copies produced. As for infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, well, those vehicles of Russian and Western production simply do not have armor to protect themselves from tank grenades and ATGM such as "Chrysanthemum" or "Cornet". There is no chance that famous german Puma IFV can stand a direct hit even from ukrainian T-64.

    It is my opinion that the following weapon systems will be primary for the development of the future Russian army. Navy will be in the first place.

    1. Attack submarines (nuclear), non-nuclear submarines,  Project 22350 and 22350 M frigates, 20380/5/6 corvettes, new attack submarines, and future naval combat systems. I think the Navy will have a lot of new projects in a couple of years.

    2. Su-57 and Tu-160, Su-75, Su-34M, Su-35S, Su-30SM2, Ka-52M, Mi-28NM.  Also; Il-76MD-90A, Il-78MD-90A, A-100. As far as war aviation is concerned, I cannot determine the amount of Su-30SM2 / 34M / 35S produced in the future. Multirole; One thing is for sure, the Su-57 is becoming a priority and I think that the Su-75 will be developed rapidly, as well as that we can expect PAK-DA and PAK-DP in the near future. Transport aviation and helicopters; The Ka-52M and Mi-28NM helicopters have a secure future just like the Il-76MD-90A transport planes. The development of Il-112 and Il-276 needs to be completed.

    3. Strategic missile troops and SSBN's, hypersonic weapons, poseidon carrying submarines.  Strategic troops already have more than 80% of new intercontinental missiles and are largely rearmed. This will be added ; The RS-28 Sarmat, the additional amount of Avangard, Poseidon topredos, as well as the hyperonic missiles 3M22 Zircon, H-47M2 Kinzhal and 9K720 Iskander. Of course, there will be some new hypersonic rockets.

    4. UAV's, tanks like T-14 and T-90M, 2s35 Koalitsiya howitzers, BMP's like Kurganets and APC's like Boomerang. Russia, even with non-modernized tanks, has too many tanks that the West simply cannot swallow. Also, Russia, like the West, has modern anti-tank missiles.

    1.
    - The Navy is definitely up for expansion as a process of containment of Russia and China will begin, with military interventions against potentially many countries in the world. Also, the risk of full-blown conflict with NATO is not 0.
    - Submarines are a priority, particularly multi-purpose SSNs of a new-generation like the Husky, that can be fitted with Zirkons among other things.
    - The Russian naval infantry also needs expansion. More manpower, and large landing ships of a new generation. They can be used to support military assistance to other countries or prop up friendly governments against proxy wars.

    2.
    - Russia needs more fighters, and cheap ones - so the SU-75 is a priority.
    - Ideally, it will develop those companion UCAVs as well, and for air-to-air combat as well as air-to-ground roles.
    - It's clear that stealth is key, as NATO radars can see everything that's flying towards the Ukraine and in it, and soon there will be air defense systems that need only switch their own targetting radars on for a few seconds, to get a lock and launch an active radar-homing system, that can take commands from radars further away.
    - The only other option to avoid being detected on radar is to fly low and fast, but this brings its own disadvantages; easier to get shot down by enemy fighters, much lower chance of successful ejection if shot down, chance of crashing due to pilot error, and inability to use certain types of weapons while others will have their ranges shortened. Furthermore, AWACS or enemy fighters in the sky can detect low-flying penetration aircraft anyway; their main advantage is to prevent air defense systems getting a lock even with advanced warning.
    - The approach of multi-role aircraft or tactical bombers such as the Su-30SM, Su-34 or MiG-29M using stand-off air-to-ground missiles against infrastructural or tactical targets is showing its age - as these weapons typically have less range than modern air-defense systems and you can't solve this without making the missiles bigger. Instead Russia is relying more on cruise missiles. There is still a need for such capability, as the employment of the Kh-59 shows, but you might as well use gliding bombs when you can to save costs. While when you have clear skies, even a Su-24M with dumb bombs will suffice as Syria shows.
    - Su-25s are still very good close air-support aircraft when the sky is relatively secured, but it's possible to replace them with unmanned aircraft
    - As for helicopter gunships - the Gostomel operation and successful employment of the aging Mi-24 showed, as well as their role in destroying all sorts of Ukrainian artillery emplacements and armored vehicles in the following weeks, and escorting convoys - has all shown that there is a place for them on the battlefield in all roles and strategies. Whether close air-support, or escort, or precision attack. They suffered few losses. Nevertheless they are vulnerable in an environment where the enemy has advanced short-range missile systems or AAA. In order to increase their effectiveness, both the Ka-52 and Mi-28N must be integrated with UAVs and be able to launch them. There is some such capability for the Ka-52M, not sure about the Mi-28NM.
    - UCAVs of course
    - More UAV jammers and anti-UAV cannon systems like the 57mm autocannon

    3.
    - I tend to think the strategic deterrent and hypersonic weapon plans are fine as they are, they're already working on all sorts of things and currently the nuclear triad is already the most modern in the world
    - Hypersonic and ABM defense should be focused on though

    4.
    - I'd say the existing tanks are mostly protected fine. Their main bane in this conflict has been artillery or the occasional ATGM ambush. However, they do need APS, as well as front-line vehicles such as BMPs. The APS used can vary from expensive to cheap.
    - Tanks need a battlefield management system; even the older models such as T-72s and T-80s.
    - Counter-battery radars are needed for any column and tactics for friendly artillery to be able to immediately respond back with their own fire even if the formation is on the march. This requires a battery perhaps to always cover any advance. I presume this is done already though.
    - A greater focus on roboticization in the ground forces is needed. Roboticized tankettes, tanks, and ATGM vehicles.
    - UAVs need to be integrated, mainly for reconnaissance and for directing artillery fire.
    - UAVs UCAVs will be useful for taking cities as well. For taking cities, precision-guided shells of various calibres for artillery are a must to destroy various ambush points and enclosed enemy vehicles
    - Mini UCAVs will be great for urban fighting as well, armed with some small rockets or small arms, so that they can attack any strong point, snipers, armoured vehicle, fortified building or whatever else
    - A reorganization towards more organic fire support. There was a case recently where a Russian unit was attacked by a platoon of saboteurs, who then disengaged from the firefight and took cover in the nearby forest. A TOS then scorched their hiding place. It's good that a TOS was available there as fire support. However a TOS should be available to any company. For this you can't keep them in some seperate NBC company or battallion, but rather spread them out.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:04 pm

    After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:18 pm

    Russian military is saying that there are Azov Nazis and foreign mercenaries in the Azov factory.

    Russian military is also saying they have interpreted 6 foreign languages(mostly European languages) from the plant.


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    Post  par far Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:20 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin


    That UN vote means shit, Vucic won on a pro Russia stance.

    There are pro Russian rally's all over Serbia, the building that NATO bombed are still there as a reminder.

    People here don't grasp politics.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:23 pm

    par far wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin


    That UN vote means shit, Vucic won on a pro Russia stance.

    There are pro Russian rally's all over Serbia, the building that NATO bombed are still there as a reminder.

    People here don't grasp politics.

    Yes but some are saying that Vucic uses the Russian relationship to help himself politically but then turns around and does pro-EU things and is making Serbia closer with China in many respects than he really wants to make them closer to Russia.
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    Post  par far Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:24 pm

    The Ukrainian "refugees" are "fitting in" very "well".

    https://t.me/smotri_media/11768

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    Post  PhSt Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:25 pm

    Could someone here enlighten me how pulling out forces from liberated areas in northern Ukraine helps Russia in this current conflict? For me, this decision only gives NATzO Nazis propaganda ammunition against Russia to claim that Russia is losing the war. Consolidating gains in areas very close to Kiev will also allow Russia divert Ukro attention from the east. I want to see a decisive Russian victory soon so as to deliver a big bitchslap to NATzO PIG fanboys online. I want a large scale NATzO PIG extermination now! angry

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:27 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin


    That UN vote means shit, Vucic won on a pro Russia stance.

    There are pro Russian rally's all over Serbia, the building that NATO bombed are still there as a reminder.

    People here don't grasp politics.

    Yes but some are saying that Vucic uses the Russian relationship to help himself politically but then turns around and does pro-EU things and is making Serbia closer with China in many respects than he really wants to make them closer to Russia.


    Those some are westerners, Serbia has to cater to both sides.

    Serbia did not impose sanctions or the other bull shit.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:29 pm

    PhSt wrote:Could someone here enlighten me how pulling out forces from liberated areas in northern Ukraine helps Russia in this current conflict? For me, this decision only gives NATzO Nazis propaganda ammunition against Russia to claim that Russia is losing the war. Consolidating gains in areas very close to Kiev will also allow Russia divert Ukro attention from the east. I want to see a decisive Russian victory soon so as to deliver a big bitchslap to NATzO PIG fanboys online. I want a large scale NATzO PIG extermination now! angry

    Apparently this operation is only to liberate the donbas and maybe a few more regions in the south? Attempting to encircle Kiev was just a threat and used as an escalate to deescalate maneuver it seems.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:34 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin

    Billy, I wouldn't agree with you. What's more, you pissed me off.
    I will only go with the history of Serbia from the 20th century. Every SECOND able-bodied man in Serbia died in the First World War. In World War II, the Ustashas in Croatia killed several hundred thousand Serbs and several hundred thousand more Serbs died as civilians and soldiers in Bosnia and Serbia.
    In 1999, for the first time since the Second World War, the German army took part in the aggression against Serbia. Belgrade as a city was destroyed three times only in the last century. In the First World War, in the Second World War and in 1999. Where do you live, so tell me, as a Serb, are we Serbs cowards ?


    If you live in an environment where Serbia is, I would ask you how to position yourself now. Serbia is still the only country in Europe that has not imposed sanctions on Russia, and only Air Serbia flies to Moscow. So shut up. I am sorry that Serbia is not where Bulgaria is.
    If we Serbs could choose, we would very much like to be on the Black Sea instead of Bulgaria, because then we would not really care about both the EU and NATO. Russia would then have a connection with us across the sea and planes would fly unhindered in both directions.

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    Post  klahtinen Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:39 pm

    One sad thing this conflict (or war) has caused is that many Finnish people are now talking about Russians as untermensch, although perhaps not using that exact word. Some of my friends who are highly educated (MSc tech like me), are talking that Russians are just killers and thieves and Russia cannot produce anything valuable. I've even heard Russia and its people should be totally destroyed from the face of the earth.

    People should never use tabloids and TV as their only information channel. Finnish national TV is now practically a part of Ukrainian media. Even British and US media offer less biased information.

    You should always keep your thoughts about politics and the people separated. I'm ashamed for my countrymen.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:40 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin

    Billy, I wouldn't agree with you. What's more, you pissed me off.
    I will only go with the history of Serbia from the 20th century. Every SECOND able-bodied man in Serbia died in the First World War. In World War II, the Ustashas in Croatia killed several hundred thousand Serbs and several hundred thousand more Serbs died as civilians and soldiers in Bosnia and Serbia.
    In 1999, for the first time since the Second World War, the German army took part in the aggression against Serbia. Belgrade as a city was destroyed three times only in the last century. In the First World War, in the Second World War and in 1999. Where do you live, so tell me, as a Serb, are we Serbs cowards ?


    If you live in an environment where Serbia is, I would ask you how to position yourself now. Serbia is still the only country in Europe that has not imposed sanctions on Russia, and only Air Serbia flies to Moscow. So shut up. I am sorry that Serbia is not where Bulgaria is.
    If we Serbs could choose, we would very much like to be on the Black Sea instead of Bulgaria, because then we would not really care about both the EU and NATO. Russia would then have a connection with us across the sea and planes would fly unhindered in both directions.

    If the EU puts enough pressure on Serbia in regards to sanctions (in the near future), I can see Belgrade caving. Not blaming Serbia, but Serbia is surrounded by NATO members and may not have much of a choice if the EU could hurt the Serbian economy greatly.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:44 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin

    Billy, I wouldn't agree with you. What's more, you pissed me off.
    I will only go with the history of Serbia from the 20th century. Every SECOND able-bodied man in Serbia died in the First World War. In World War II, the Ustashas in Croatia killed several hundred thousand Serbs and several hundred thousand more Serbs died as civilians and soldiers in Bosnia and Serbia.
    In 1999, for the first time since the Second World War, the German army took part in the aggression against Serbia. Belgrade as a city was destroyed three times only in the last century. In the First World War, in the Second World War and in 1999. Where do you live, so tell me, as a Serb, are we Serbs cowards ?


    If you live in an environment where Serbia is, I would ask you how to position yourself now. Serbia is still the only country in Europe that has not imposed sanctions on Russia, and only Air Serbia flies to Moscow. So shut up. I am sorry that Serbia is not where Bulgaria is.
    If we Serbs could choose, we would very much like to be on the Black Sea instead of Bulgaria, because then we would not really care about both the EU and NATO. Russia would then have a connection with us across the sea and planes would fly unhindered in both directions.

    If the EU puts enough pressure on Serbia in regards to sanctions (in the near future), I can see Belgrade caving. Not blaming Serbia, but Serbia is surrounded by NATO members and may not have much of a choice if the EU could hurt the Serbian economy greatly.


    That picture you hung ((the picture is disgusting) has nothing to do with the truth about it. We Serbs do not see the Russians as "friends" but as a fraternal people.
    We Serbs and Russians are brothers in faith, but unfortunately also in suffering.



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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:51 pm

    klahtinen wrote:One sad thing this conflict (or war) has caused is that many Finnish people are now talking about Russians as untermensch, although perhaps not using that exact word. Some of my friends who are highly educated (MSc tech like me), are talking that Russians are just killers and thieves and Russia cannot produce anything valuable. I've even heard Russia and its people should be totally destroyed from the face of the earth.

    People should never use tabloids and TV as their only information channel. Finnish national TV is now practically  a part of Ukrainian media. Even British and US media offer less biased information.

    You should always keep your thoughts about politics and the people separated. I'm ashamed for my countrymen.

    Your nation is being prepared for more cannon fodder. Volunteers to be sent to the Ukraine. At least I hope that's all it's limited to.
    It's best for your people if you join NATO at this stage. Because the alternative is to not be part of NATO, while the US stations some missiles on your territory. Although I think Russia will avoid being provoked here regardless.

    I heard the same words from someone else from this general region who used to be my friend maybe 15 years ago

    He wrote to me and gloated about tortured Russian POWs, said that we are all pigs and suck Putin's c*ck, Russia has the stats of Nigeria, and some other not nice things

    Well, a little uncalled for. I never advocated for the war or excused its start (and still don't) until the conversation, brief as it was, ended with this outburst.


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:56 pm

    Word is BoJo in Kiev has been impressing upon Zelensky the need for an all-out advance of the Donbass pocket forces towards DNR lines. Boris Johnson is saying that the start of the Russian operation in the advance is only days away.

    This makes sense
    A mass surrender or rout can break morale across the Ukraine.
    This isn't what the West or Kiev need.
    It's better that the troops all die as heroes instead, and can be lionized by Zelensky and the other showmen as the 'heavenly tens of thousands'.

    Because a banzai charge of this exhausted, mostly hastily conscripted manpower by now, with their limited ammo, out of their trenches and bunkers, and towards a fortified enemy line where said enemy has overwhelming fire superiority in air-power and artillery - is absolute suicide.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:05 pm

    2.
    - Russia needs more fighters, and cheap ones - so the SU-75 is a priority.
    - Ideally, it will develop those companion UCAVs as well, and for air-to-air combat as well as air-to-ground roles.
    - It's clear that stealth is key, as NATO radars can see everything that's flying towards the Ukraine and in it, and soon there will be air defense systems that need only switch their own targetting radars on for a few seconds, to get a lock and launch an active radar-homing system, that can take commands from radars further away.
    - The only other option to avoid being detected on radar is to fly low and fast, but this brings its own disadvantages; easier to get shot down by enemy fighters, much lower chance of successful ejection if shot down, chance of crashing due to pilot error, and inability to use certain types of weapons while others will have their ranges shortened. Furthermore, AWACS or enemy fighters in the sky can detect low-flying penetration aircraft anyway; their main advantage is to prevent air defense systems getting a lock even with advanced warning.
    - The approach of multi-role aircraft or tactical bombers such as the Su-30SM, Su-34 or MiG-29M using stand-off air-to-ground missiles against infrastructural or tactical targets is showing its age - as these weapons typically have less range than modern air-defense systems and you can't solve this without making the missiles bigger. Instead Russia is relying more on cruise missiles. There is still a need for such capability, as the employment of the Kh-59 shows, but you might as well use gliding bombs when you can to save costs. While when you have clear skies, even a Su-24M with dumb bombs will suffice as Syria shows.
    - Su-25s are still very good close air-support aircraft when the sky is relatively secured, but it's possible to replace them with unmanned aircraft
    - As for helicopter gunships - the Gostomel operation and successful employment of the aging Mi-24 showed, as well as their role in destroying all sorts of Ukrainian artillery emplacements and armored vehicles in the following weeks, and escorting convoys - has all shown that there is a place for them on the battlefield in all roles and strategies. Whether close air-support, or escort, or precision attack. They suffered few losses. Nevertheless they are vulnerable in an environment where the enemy has advanced short-range missile systems or AAA. In order to increase their effectiveness, both the Ka-52 and Mi-28N must be integrated with UAVs and be able to launch them. There is some such capability for the Ka-52M, not sure about the Mi-28NM.
    - UCAVs of course
    - More UAV jammers and anti-UAV cannon systems like the 57mm autocannon






    The Su-75 would be ideal in the Murmansk region, Kaliningrad region, Crimea, Kamchatka, Sakhalin region and the Primorskiy Krai of Russia, as well as in Syria.
    I don't think the Su-75 will take precedence over the Su-57. It is possible that Russia will have a total of more Su-75s than Su-57s in the future, but I do not think that more money will be set aside for rearmament of the squadron on the Su-75 instead of the Su-57. Even with a planned range of about 3,000 kilometers, the Su-75 cannot provide coverage of a huge area of ​​Russia. Su-57; it also has higher range and higher flight speed, longer range during supercruising, flight ceiling, higher climbing speed, more powerful and probably larger radar, integrated radars in the wings and on the side of the plane (which we do not know if the Su-75 will have), larger payload, etc. The Su-27 and its modifications were the basis of Russia's fighter aviation, and the Su-57 should replace them.
    It remains to be seen whether Russia will complete the PAK-DP or decide to replace the MiG-31 with a larger amount of Su-57s produced. Although I think that PAK-DP will become operational earlier than PAK-DA, especially since the huge S-70 Hunter combat drone is close to serial production.


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:06 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
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    billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10 - Page 33 6bzwin


    That UN vote means shit, Vucic won on a pro Russia stance.

    There are pro Russian rally's all over Serbia, the building that NATO bombed are still there as a reminder.

    People here don't grasp politics.

    Yes but some are saying that Vucic uses the Russian relationship to help himself politically but then turns around and does pro-EU things and is making Serbia closer with China in many respects than he really wants to make them closer to Russia.

    Politics is the art of what's possible,

    Not what's right, or what's honorable, or whatever. I mean these things are good, ideal even. Just.. not always possible.

    China is less toxic than Russia at the moment, but still on the same side. So it's a smart move.

    Any attempt at openly siding with Russia will result in Serbia being bombed by NATO again and Serbs being demonized as brutal barbarians as much as Russians are by the rest of this so-called Europe, if not more

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:11 pm

    PhSt wrote:Could someone here enlighten me how pulling out forces from liberated areas in northern Ukraine helps Russia in this current conflict? For me, this decision only gives NATzO Nazis propaganda ammunition against Russia to claim that Russia is losing the war. Consolidating gains in areas very close to Kiev will also allow Russia divert Ukro attention from the east. I want to see a decisive Russian victory soon so as to deliver a big bitchslap to NATzO PIG fanboys online. I want a large scale NATzO PIG extermination now! angry

    Russia did not really liberate those zones. They were just a massive humanitarian relief burden. The whole Kiev region operation was a feint.
    Russia is focusing on Kherson, Zaporozhye, the LDNR, and even Kharkov regions. The Kiev regime is sinking all of its resources into the
    LDNR front and its forces will be obliterated. After that the other regions will be easier to handle.

    To take over Ukraine in one go would require over 2 million troops. The US used about 1 million to take on Iraq which is half the size of "Ukraine"
    and where most of the terrain is fully exposed.

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:13 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Word is BoJo in Kiev has been impressing upon Zelensky the need for an all-out advance of the Donbass pocket forces towards DNR lines. Boris Johnson is saying that the start of the Russian operation in the advance is only days away.

    This makes sense
    A mass surrender or rout can break morale across the Ukraine.
    This isn't what the West or Kiev need.
    It's better that the troops all die as heroes instead, and can be lionized by Zelensky and the other showmen as the 'heavenly tens of thousands'.

    Because a banzai charge of this exhausted, mostly hastily conscripted manpower by now, with their limited ammo, out of their trenches and bunkers, and towards a fortified enemy line where said enemy has overwhelming fire superiority in air-power and artillery - is absolute suicide.

    BoJo is a total clown. The Kiev regime forces cannot advance on the LDNR. They are in the process of being placed in a cauldron.
    BoJo does not want to admit that the Kiev regime has already lost.

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:14 pm

    klahtinen wrote:One sad thing this conflict (or war) has caused is that many Finnish people are now talking about Russians as untermensch, although perhaps not using that exact word. Some of my friends who are highly educated (MSc tech like me), are talking that Russians are just killers and thieves and Russia cannot produce anything valuable. I've even heard Russia and its people should be totally destroyed from the face of the earth.

    People should never use tabloids and TV as their only information channel. Finnish national TV is now practically  a part of Ukrainian media. Even British and US media offer less biased information.

    You should always keep your thoughts about politics and the people separated. I'm ashamed for my countrymen.

    This how these western countries thought of Russia for hundreds of years.

    The Finnish people are the ones that are untermensch, the immigrants and refugees are raping Finnish women while getting free money and these Finnish morons have the audacity to think Russians are untermensch?

    The same goes for Americans and Britons.

    Russia could have built the bridge to Crimea in gold and the west would have never noticed.

    **** the west.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:25 pm

    KVS how is the Kiev regime finished, by a tactical victory in donetsk?

    Flaming, if that guy said that to you, then idk what it would take for you to wake up

    Ukraine is not our friends, we should be bombing this whole area, not indiscrimately, but heavily where the VSU is

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    Post  Hinex1988 Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:34 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    ✈💥During the day, operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces and missile troops hit 65 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 4 command and communication hubs, 3 logistics depots, as well as 41 strong points and areas of Ukrainian military equipment concentration.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle in the air, 2 near Mariupol and Kalininskoe, and 1 Bayraktar TB-2 near Sakhnovschina, Kharkov region.

    📊In total, 127 aircfaft and 98 helicopters, 428 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,037 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 229 multiple launch rocket systems, 886 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,941 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

    ▫The Kiev regime has not abandoned its attempts to evacuate the leaders of Azov nationalist regiment and foreign mercenaries from Mariupol. Previous actions to evacuate them by helicopter have failed.

    ❗On the evening of April 8, the Kiev regime made another unsuccessful attempt to evacuate the Ukrainian Nazi leaders by sea.

    ▫The Ukrainian Apache, a Maltese-flagged dry-cargo ship assigned to the Maltese port of Valetta, was sailing in a caravan of ships from the Gulf of Taganrog to the Kerch Strait in the nighttime.

    ▫At 22:38 Moscow time, 30 km southeast of Mariupol, the dry-cargo ship suddenly changed its course and attempted to break through to the Mariupol seaport blocked from the sea by the Black Sea Fleet.

    ▫The Ukrainian dry-cargo ship did not respond to Russian border guards' demands to contact them through the international channel and continued heading in the direction of Mariupol port.

    ▫Warning artillery firing by two border patrol ships along the vessel's course did not cause the dry cargo ship to change course or slow down.

    ▫While heading towards Mariupol port, the ship was engaged in radio communication, transmitting the messages "I am 'Maniac', coming for you". At the same time, signal fires were observed on the shore.

    ▫To block the movement of the intruder vessel, from 22.53 to 23.30, the Black Sea Fleet and the border patrol ships opened artillery fire on the Apache dry-cargo ship.

    ▫A direct hit caused a fire in the stern of the ship.

    ▫The Ukrainian dry-cargo ship then went adrift, the crew got in touch with the border ships with a request to cease fire and confirmed their readiness to comply with all the demands of the Russian sailors.

    ❗No crew members on the ship were injured as a result of the firing. The fire was extinguished by the ship's crew themselves.

    ▫After being inspected, the Ukrainian Apache and its crew are convoyed to the Yeysk port.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:36 pm

    kvs wrote:
    BoJo is a total clown.   The Kiev regime forces cannot advance on the LDNR.  They are in the process of being placed in a cauldron.
    BoJo does not want to admit that the Kiev regime has already lost.  


    That's why they will be ordered to advance

    To have all their forces killed rather than surrender in front of the Russian cameras

    I don't think you understand how serious this situation is

    And most of the forces in that cauldron by now are the people that Kiev managed to forcibly conscript over the past 6 weeks, many with barely any military training.

    I hope this is either propaganda or BoJo got dismissed. But you know as well as I do that this is logical from the point of view of Kiev.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:44 pm

    Who cares, those are enemy combatants , they should go against their government , but there they are on the front line

    Fuckem , if ours don't killem the nazis will

    Let's not play God , let him sort them out

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:46 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:KVS how is the Kiev regime finished, by a tactical victory in donetsk?

    Flaming, if that guy said that to you, then idk what it would take for you to wake up

    Ukraine is not our friends, we should be bombing this whole area, not indiscrimately, but heavily where the VSU is

    The guy who said it is not from the Ukraine

    The people I know from the Ukraine haven't said anything like that. Granted I last talked to them before Bucha. Maybe they've become 'one of them' by now too.

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