Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?

flamming_python wrote:Word is BoJo in Kiev has been impressing upon Zelensky the need for an all-out advance of the Donbass pocket forces towards DNR lines. Boris Johnson is saying that the start of the Russian operation in the advance is only days away.

This makes sense
A mass surrender or rout can break morale across the Ukraine.
This isn't what the West or Kiev need.
It's better that the troops all die as heroes instead, and can be lionized by Zelensky and the other showmen as the 'heavenly tens of thousands'.

Because a banzai charge of this exhausted, mostly hastily conscripted manpower by now, with their limited ammo, out of their trenches and bunkers, and towards a fortified enemy line where said enemy has overwhelming fire superiority in air-power and artillery - is absolute suicide.

Regular wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Word is BoJo in Kiev has been impressing upon Zelensky the need for an all-out advance of the Donbass pocket forces towards DNR lines. Boris Johnson is saying that the start of the Russian operation in the advance is only days away.

This makes sense
A mass surrender or rout can break morale across the Ukraine.
This isn't what the West or Kiev need.
It's better that the troops all die as heroes instead, and can be lionized by Zelensky and the other showmen as the 'heavenly tens of thousands'.

Because a banzai charge of this exhausted, mostly hastily conscripted manpower by now, with their limited ammo, out of their trenches and bunkers, and towards a fortified enemy line where said enemy has overwhelming fire superiority in air-power and artillery - is absolute suicide.

With what transport, what fuel? Logistics work differently when they advance. It would be Illovaisk after Illovaisk. I don't think this will happen, they are already bogged down and can't even retreat.

Arkanghelsk wrote:KVS how is the Kiev regime finished, by a tactical victory in donetsk?

Flaming, if that guy said that to you, then idk what it would take for you to wake up

Ukraine is not our friends, we should be bombing this whole area, not indiscrimately, but heavily where the VSU is

flamming_python wrote:

I don't know, a human wave maybe?

This is a desperate regime. They know if their tens of thousands troops there surrender or are routed, the Ukrainian military is finished, and so are they.

What Russia can do is keep them pinned with artillery bombardments. That will prevent any advance, and allow Russia to advance and split the pocket into many smaller ones. It can also jam and cut all the lines of communication.

They can also bombardment them with leaflets about Kiev's plans for them. Hasn't worked so far, but it's worth a shot.

kvs wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:KVS how is the Kiev regime finished, by a tactical victory in donetsk?

Flaming, if that guy said that to you, then idk what it would take for you to wake up

Ukraine is not our friends, we should be bombing this whole area, not indiscrimately, but heavily where the VSU is

Where is their army outside of the LDNR front.   You think they have hundreds of thousands of troops milling around?

By contrast to your flippant, smug remarks, the information on the ground is that the quality of Ukr fighters now facing
Russian forces is disappearing.   They have burnt through their quality reserves and are throwing untrained meat.
The LDNR is where their real army is concentrated and it is doing its last stand.

Podlodka77 wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:After that vote at the UN, did this just happen?

Billy, I wouldn't agree with you. What's more, you pissed me off.
I will only go with the history of Serbia from the 20th century. Every SECOND able-bodied man in Serbia died in the First World War. In World War II, the Ustashas in Croatia killed several hundred thousand Serbs and several hundred thousand more Serbs died as civilians and soldiers in Bosnia and Serbia.
In 1999, for the first time since the Second World War, the German army took part in the aggression against Serbia. Belgrade as a city was destroyed three times only in the last century. In the First World War, in the Second World War and in 1999. Where do you live, so tell me, as a Serb, are we Serbs cowards ?


If you live in an environment where Serbia is, I would ask you how to position yourself now. Serbia is still the only country in Europe that has not imposed sanctions on Russia, and only Air Serbia flies to Moscow. So shut up. I am sorry that Serbia is not where Bulgaria is.
If we Serbs could choose, we would very much like to be on the Black Sea instead of Bulgaria, because then we would not really care about both the EU and NATO. Russia would then have a connection with us across the sea and planes would fly unhindered in both directions.

If the EU puts enough pressure on Serbia in regards to sanctions (in the near future), I can see Belgrade caving. Not blaming Serbia, but Serbia is surrounded by NATO members and may not have much of a choice if the EU could hurt the Serbian economy greatly.

That picture you hung ((the picture is disgusting) has nothing to do with the truth about it. We Serbs do not see the Russians as "friends" but as a fraternal people.
We Serbs and Russians are brothers in faith, but unfortunately also in suffering.

Kiko wrote:Ship Attempted to Break Through Russian Naval Blockade of Mariupol to Rescue Azov Commanders: MoD, 09.04.2022.

Russian forces and Donetsk People's Militia units encircled the Azov Sea coast city of Mariupol in early March, trapping thousands of Ukrainian troops, neo-Nazi Azov Regiment fighters and foreign mercenaries in the strategic port hub. In recent days, Ukrainian forces have made several attempts to evacuate commanders from the city's ruins.

The Apache, a dry cargo ship sailing under the Maltese flag, abruptly changed course while en route through the Azov Sea and attempted to break through the naval blockade of Mariupol enforced by ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and border patrol, Russian Ministry of Defence spokesman Igor Konashenkov has announced.

"On the evening of 8 April, the regime in Kiev made a new unsuccessful attempt to evacuate the neo-Nazi fighters' leaders [trapped in Mariupol] by sea. In the evening darkness the Ukrainian dry cargo vessel Apache, assigned to the Maltese port of Valletta and flying the Maltese flag, followed a caravan of ships from Taganrog Bay to the Kerch Strait," Konashenkov said in a briefing Saturday.

"At 10:38 pm, 30 km southeast of Mariupol, the vessel abruptly changed course and attempted to break through to the Mariupol port, blocked from the sea by forces of the [Russian] Black Sea Fleet," the officer said.

The vessel ignored demands by Russian patrol vessels to communicate via an international channel, and warning fire failing to alter its course, according to Konashenkov. Instead, the ship's radio transmitted the message "This is 'Maniac', I am coming for you," and signal fires were observed from Ukrainian-controlled areas of the shore.

In order to block the further movement of the intruding vessel, a ship of the Black Sea Fleet and Russian border patrol boats opened fire on the Apache. A blaze broke out aboard the vessel after a direct hit to the stern. The ship began to drift, and its crew initiated communications with Russian vessels asking them to hold fire and promising to carry out their orders.

The Apache's crew was not injured, and managed to extinguish the fire independently. After inspection, the ship was escorted to the port of Yeysk in Russia's Krasnodar region.

The suspected rescue attempt is the latest in a series of failed efforts to evacuate commanders from Mariupol as Russian and Donetsk People's Republic forces continue to chip away at the areas of the city controlled by Ukraine. On Tuesday, two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down with man-portable anti-aircraft systems while trying to break through the lines.

On Friday, the Russian MoD reported that its analysis of intercepted radio traffic revealed that at least six languages besides Russian and Ukrainian were being used by forces operating in Mariupol, signalling the presence of large numbers of foreign mercenaries.

The increasingly brazen attempts to rescue forces out of the besieged city, where some of the most brutal house-to-house fighting of the conflict in Ukraine has taken place to date, has led to speculation in Russian media about just what kind of forces are operating there, and why their evacuation from the city's ruins is such an important priority.

https://sputniknews.com/20220409/ukrainian-cargo-ship-tried-to-break-through-to-russian-black-sea-fleet-blocking-mariupol-port-mod-1094624584.html

kvs wrote:

PhSt wrote:Could someone here enlighten me how pulling out forces from liberated areas in northern Ukraine helps Russia in this current conflict? For me, this decision only gives NATzO Nazis propaganda ammunition against Russia to claim that Russia is losing the war. Consolidating gains in areas very close to Kiev will also allow Russia divert Ukro attention from the east. I want to see a decisive Russian victory soon so as to deliver a big bitchslap to NATzO PIG fanboys online. I want a large scale NATzO PIG extermination now!

Russia did not really liberate those zones.  They were just a massive humanitarian relief burden.   The whole Kiev region operation was a feint.
Russia is focusing on Kherson, Zaporozhye, the LDNR, and even Kharkov regions.    The Kiev regime is sinking all of its resources into the
LDNR front and its forces will be obliterated.   After that the other regions will be easier to handle.  

To take over Ukraine in one go would require over 2 million troops.    The US used about 1 million to take on Iraq which is half the size of "Ukraine"
and where most of the terrain is fully exposed.  

ucmvulcan wrote:

Kiko wrote:Ship Attempted to Break Through Russian Naval Blockade of Mariupol to Rescue Azov Commanders: MoD, 09.04.2022.

Russian forces and Donetsk People's Militia units encircled the Azov Sea coast city of Mariupol in early March, trapping thousands of Ukrainian troops, neo-Nazi Azov Regiment fighters and foreign mercenaries in the strategic port hub. In recent days, Ukrainian forces have made several attempts to evacuate commanders from the city's ruins.

The Apache, a dry cargo ship sailing under the Maltese flag, abruptly changed course while en route through the Azov Sea and attempted to break through the naval blockade of Mariupol enforced by ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and border patrol, Russian Ministry of Defence spokesman Igor Konashenkov has announced.

"On the evening of 8 April, the regime in Kiev made a new unsuccessful attempt to evacuate the neo-Nazi fighters' leaders [trapped in Mariupol] by sea. In the evening darkness the Ukrainian dry cargo vessel Apache, assigned to the Maltese port of Valletta and flying the Maltese flag, followed a caravan of ships from Taganrog Bay to the Kerch Strait," Konashenkov said in a briefing Saturday.

"At 10:38 pm, 30 km southeast of Mariupol, the vessel abruptly changed course and attempted to break through to the Mariupol port, blocked from the sea by forces of the [Russian] Black Sea Fleet," the officer said.

The vessel ignored demands by Russian patrol vessels to communicate via an international channel, and warning fire failing to alter its course, according to Konashenkov. Instead, the ship's radio transmitted the message "This is 'Maniac', I am coming for you," and signal fires were observed from Ukrainian-controlled areas of the shore.

In order to block the further movement of the intruding vessel, a ship of the Black Sea Fleet and Russian border patrol boats opened fire on the Apache. A blaze broke out aboard the vessel after a direct hit to the stern. The ship began to drift, and its crew initiated communications with Russian vessels asking them to hold fire and promising to carry out their orders.

The Apache's crew was not injured, and managed to extinguish the fire independently. After inspection, the ship was escorted to the port of Yeysk in Russia's Krasnodar region.

The suspected rescue attempt is the latest in a series of failed efforts to evacuate commanders from Mariupol as Russian and Donetsk People's Republic forces continue to chip away at the areas of the city controlled by Ukraine. On Tuesday, two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down with man-portable anti-aircraft systems while trying to break through the lines.

On Friday, the Russian MoD reported that its analysis of intercepted radio traffic revealed that at least six languages besides Russian and Ukrainian were being used by forces operating in Mariupol, signalling the presence of large numbers of foreign mercenaries.

The increasingly brazen attempts to rescue forces out of the besieged city, where some of the most brutal house-to-house fighting of the conflict in Ukraine has taken place to date, has led to speculation in Russian media about just what kind of forces are operating there, and why their evacuation from the city's ruins is such an important priority.

https://sputniknews.com/20220409/ukrainian-cargo-ship-tried-to-break-through-to-russian-black-sea-fleet-blocking-mariupol-port-mod-1094624584.html

Why is the Sea of Azov still open? Close the Kerch strait.  Anyone who tries to get through gets sunk.  I want the NATO bigwigs on TV, it would open the eyes of a lot of people here in the west

Hole wrote:
Because the Sea was opened a few days ago. There are a lot of russian cargo vessels waiting to move in and out.

nomadski wrote:
The West is supposedly going to supply anti-ship missiles and APC to UA . Javelin and switch - blade and star- streak and stingers not enough ! What are Russian losses to these weapons ? Are they significant ? What happens , when a Russian ship with hundreds of sailors sunk by these anti-ship ?  Will such losses be significant ? Can they be ignored ? Does anyone know what type of anti-ship is being sent ? Is it air launched or shore launched ? How big is it ? Can it be easily sent across borders ? What will Russia do , if ship sunk ?