Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Ispan wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:[

...The warhead was almost certainly the anti-personnel 9N123F, given the lack of an impact crater and lack of significant structural damage on surrounding buildings. It blows up about 20m above ground, showering the area in shrapnel..

A single warhead? I hadn't looked at the photos and I thought they were cluster munitions.

No briefing today but found this good report of today's fighting

https://topwar.ru/194668-protivnik-ispolzuet-taktiku-manevrennoj-oborony-svodka-po-specoperacii-vs-rf-na-ukraine.html

I see almost no structural damage at all anywhere, and no craters, just piles of dead people that look as though they've been shot, again consistent with shrapnel. A few cars parked nearby caught fire though - red hot shrapnel pierced their fuel tanks I guess.

I'd guess that the warhead exploded some 50 meters north west of the station, above the rails at 15-20m altitude tops (the datasheet for the warhead says 10-20m). Most dead are in the outdoor waiting area to the south adjacent to the station. One person was killed on the parking lot in front of the station, right where the burned cars are, and there is an opening towards the area of explosion right there, between the station and another structure.

Meanwhile, the thin tin roofs of several adjacent buildings are untouched etc. Suggesting a near horizontal shrapnel "spray" pattern from low altitude.

edit:south waiting area too

So, just based on the photos and videos:



I am no expert on any of these things so I could be completely wrong, but typically the engine unit falls off shortly before impact and has a lot more drag and less momentum (grid fins, blunt front, empty husk of metal) than the warhead (streamlined, heavy), so it falls short of the intended target, in this case a bit over 100m, and it gives a rough idea of the trajectory.

The warhead that I am guessing it was (9N123F), again I could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me, has a stated coverage of between 2 and 3 hectares, so I went with about 2.5 hectares here. Since it detonates at a low altitude, stated as 15 +/- 5m, buildings of modest height are enough to absorb a lot of it (it is designed to be used in the open), and would create obvious "shadows" for the 14 500 pieces of pre-fractured anti-personnel shrapnel it carries, which is also supported by the locations of the victims.

Flight path is just a rough estimate, the engine unit doesn't necessarily fall *completely* in line, but never far from it, absolutely certain southwestern origin. We do know from eyewitnesses that they saw and heard it incoming from the southwest as well, and the RU MoD immediately mentioned Dobropolye/Dobropillya specifically. So all of that adds up.

So, just to illustrate my line of thought, nothing else. R.I.P to those poor souls...

Worth quoting the whole post. This rather clinches the direction of flight of the Tochka-U. No need for some investigation
to demonstrate the same thing.

The only response to hate propaganda is to ignore it and if its peddlers get to uppity to smack them down. Russia can and
will smack NATzO down. I do not see the yanquis deploying massive amounts of their conventional forces to the Russian border.
It would take them up to a year to prepare for any ground war on Russia. EU chihuahuas like Poland will be handled by Russia
so fast that they won't know what hit them. The only reason that Russia is taking so long in "Ukraine" is that it trying to minimize
civilian casualties. Polish invasion forces will not be marching to Moscow.

ATLASCUB wrote:What will Russia do to deter? Take out a couple significant political elites or from the security/defense command to send a message in a public way in a manner understood for all? Is Putin gonna address the nation on this war crime to bring visibility to it or just stay in his bunker? Of course if he brings visibility to it he will tie himself in the sense that he'll create an expectation of punishment that must be delivered - which has to be expressed in a showy nature to satisfy the cries for justice.

We all know the answers to that.

Acts like these are gonna happen again and again until the Ukies run out of toys to throw in the air or the Russian army goes through the extremely slow process of taking out these toys one by one. There isn't going to be accountability, and no revenge on those signing off on these. At most a single soul or 2 in middle management or the unit carrying the act, but not the real master minds.

The cycle of outrage will continue, where Russia watchers and Russians will cry about it for a couple days and move on to the next.



Nazi offspring Ursula in Kiev apparently... ultimate insult, clear message understood for all. Won't be long before Biden makes a trip .

Kiev is going to keep doing it.

And like in Bucha, like in Kramatorsk, there will be something that will betray them each time. And people in the Ukraine will notice, and are noticing. Kiev is simply shortening its own lifespan for the sake of some media headlines

I noticed Western leaders have been mum on Kramatorsk today since the very initial report. Looks like they're opting to bury it. Can't really be spun can it.

I wonder how close we are to Lvov being carpet bombed. Or strikes on the partners in crime ie those who are arming the Bandera-scum. Or Russia sending rocket launchers over the US-Mexican border.

Clearly this IS a Russia vs much of NATO war already. I wonder how it might escalate?

I went on that cesspool Linkedin today. Anyone linking to independent sources eg human rights websites, western media who question the pro Nazi regime seems to be getting censored or even banned.

Meanwhile promotion of Azov etc is open and "unashamed".

Make no mistake, this is an attempt to commit genocide on Russian people.

d_taddei2 wrote:With Ukraine harping on about Russia creating mass Destruction on various targets, I think Russia should just drop a FOAB on Ukrainian troops in the Donbass pocket then say hey this is mass Destruction this is what it looks like do you want us to show you it again another example? U can think about while u pick up the hundreds if not 1000+ orc body parts.

That is just a matter of time. The war like it seems will be dragged out due to the western weapons supply and "support". Sooner or later Russia will de-escalate the situation and will use probably a FOAB somewhere to deter the PONOS countries along with demoralizing the Orcs.

d_taddei2 wrote:
Zelensky needs to face criminal charges in the Hague along with his generals. I would make that a condition of any agreement now.

The tribunal must take place in a metropol in some 3dr country in the east! This is crucial for future development of new functioning societies and standards. Show the West and the entire world that the West is irrelevant. Host the tribunal in Mongolia, China, Kazachstan, India or anyhwere as well as local tribunal in LNR and DNR. The future is the east and certain organizations and standards needs to be rebuild on basis of fairness, freedom of speech and transparency, which all the FIFA, Olympics, den Hague all sorts of organizations have shown to be highly controlled.

d_taddei2 wrote:
Russia needs to get the cauldron burning, and fast, all Ukrainian POWs should be imprisoned until after the war, not send back immediately to fight again The atrocities they have committed are horrific to say the least.

POWs are necessary for exchange to get our own guys free from the Orcs and trying to prevent killing or mutilating our guys. Russia should start evaporating the Orcs hopefully sooner than later. Two or three FOABs with a death toll of several thousands of Orcs could end the war quicker than anything else.

flamming_python wrote:

I noticed Western leaders have been mum on Kramatorsk today since the very initial report. Looks like they're opting to bury it. Can't really be spun can it.

NYT starting to reel it back as it is pulled off the front page, three posts here

https://twitter.com/ianmclean4444/status/1512563051135787014

За победу !
For the Russian victory

d_taddei2 wrote:
Zelensky needs to face criminal charges in the Hague along with his generals. I would make that a condition of any agreement now.

With all honesty, to hell with western institutions like Hague.
Russia should (and maybe will) declare it does not recognize any authority of such organizations. In the area from Baltic sea to the Pacific no law shall stand above the law of Russia.

The tribunal will be held in Donetsk. Period.
Time is over for Russia legitimizing any institution of fascist world order.
If someone manages to escape he will live rest of his life in fear of justice. Not worth living.

The Red Army is the greatest!

With this song, the Russians entered Berlin. It seems to me that this song will soon become a hit again, as it became more than 80 years ago. The fascists did not remember her well enough. Nothing is even close to this song, the Sacred war song is the best and an introduction to the beginning of each Victory Day..

Podlodka77 wrote:With this song, the Russians entered Berlin. It seems to me that this song will soon become a hit again, as it became more than 80 years ago. The fascists did not remember her well enough. Nothing is even close to this song, the Sacred war song is the best and an introduction to the beginning of each Victory Day..

I absolutely love this song. Its absolute raw power. I am half surprised the West's cancel culture hasn't canceled it because it has got to cause fascists and their enablers to crap bricks.

Speaking of music, I must say I am extremely surprised that this is still on YouTube:



The defunct (actually banned in Russia, because of the Putin governments anti-nationalistic drive, law 282 etc) Russian nationalist portal "Sputnik i Pogrom" used images from the Crimean affair set to December's song "we do not give up on our cities".

More recently, 282 was repealed and the government eased off on the persecutions of nationalists.

ucmvulcan wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:With this song, the Russians entered Berlin. It seems to me that this song will soon become a hit again, as it became more than 80 years ago. The fascists did not remember her well enough. Nothing is even close to this song, the Sacred war song is the best and an introduction to the beginning of each Victory Day..

I absolutely love this song.  Its absolute raw power.  I am half surprised the West's cancel culture hasn't canceled it because it has got to cause fascists and their enablers to crap bricks.  

That song is not just a song, after all, but it is something that the West will never understand - the Russian soul. Even then, the West was not bothered by communism (communism was just a cover), but even then, as now, the main obstacle was Russia.

Chinese version..

Podlodka77 wrote:With this song, the Russians entered Berlin. It seems to me that this song will soon become a hit again, as it became more than 80 years ago. The fascists did not remember her well enough. Nothing is even close to this song, the Sacred war song is the best and an introduction to the beginning of each Victory Day..

Huh, there is no song parallel to that.
It's all around masterpiece but when you hear the beginning beats playing at Red Square it is simply magnificent. Goosebumps going through whole body. This will be played in Kiev (Hero City, btw) in one day.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Speaking of music, I must say I am extremely surprised that this is still on YouTube:

Same, but there are many of us who did the unthinkable in the west, especially in cancel culture America where they have actually attempted to cancel the world's largest country. The efforts to cancel a people, their soul, their art, their music, their essence has backfired. After Tchaikovsky was canceled and classes on Dostoevsky were temporarily banned, sales of both surged.

Werewolf wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:With Ukraine harping on about Russia creating mass Destruction on various targets, I think Russia should just drop a FOAB on Ukrainian troops in the Donbass pocket then say hey this is mass Destruction this is what it looks like do you want us to show you it again another example? U can think about while u pick up the hundreds if not 1000+ orc body parts.

That is just a matter of time. The war like it seems will be dragged out due to the western weapons supply and "support". Sooner or later Russia will de-escalate the situation and will use probably a FOAB somewhere to deter the PONOS countries along with demoralizing the Orcs.

d_taddei2 wrote:
Zelensky needs to face criminal charges in the Hague along with his generals. I would make that a condition of any agreement now.

The tribunal must take place in a metropol in some 3dr country in the east! This is crucial for future development of new functioning societies and standards. Show the West and the entire world that the West is irrelevant. Host the tribunal in Mongolia, China, Kazachstan, India or anyhwere as well as local tribunal in LNR and DNR. The future is the east and certain organizations and standards needs to be rebuild on basis of fairness, freedom of speech and transparency, which all the FIFA, Olympics, den Hague all sorts of organizations have shown to be highly controlled.

d_taddei2 wrote:
Russia needs to get the cauldron burning, and fast, all Ukrainian POWs should be imprisoned until after the war, not send back immediately to fight again The atrocities they have committed are horrific to say the least.

POWs are necessary for exchange to get our own guys free from the Orcs and trying to prevent killing or mutilating our guys. Russia should start evaporating the Orcs hopefully sooner than later. Two or three FOABs with a death toll of several thousands of Orcs could end the war quicker than anything else.

Let me hope Russia has stock piled 1000's of TOS rockets and when the cauldron is compact they incinerate every single of the 60k troops there send there charcoaled bodies back Lvov and tell zelensky to stuff every single one up his ass. Zelensky is now a malignant parasite who feeds on the excrement of USA and UK

I dont like the way this war is going. Russia needs to get things right and turn Ukraine into a smoldering wasteland. Why is there still electricity in Kiev? It wouldn't hurt if all power stations in Ukraine are knocked out. Also, how are the Ukro Nazis still able to mount a credible defense against Russian forces?? Its been more than a month. If Ukrainian regions are too brainwashed to welcome Russian liberators, then Exterminate everything in it and then just repopulate it later with ethnic Russians. Russia will be accused of war crimes anyways regardless of what they do. Russia's reluctance to destroy Ukraine is only being viewed as a weakness by NATzO. There is no point to hold back anymore, Ukro Nazis already stated that they view all Russians as their enemies.

GARRY, if there are major problems with the West (and there are pro-Russian forumers from the West here), I expect you to lead all of us forum members into a decisive battle against fascism! There are enough of us to make at least 3 quality tank crews. Let Airbornewolf and Werewolf fly on Ka-52. I think KVS and Miketheterrible are ideal to be the crew for the TOS-1A.
WE ARE ALL GOING TOGETHER TO DEFEND MOSCOW AND THE WORLD FROM MADNESS.

Apparently the Ukraine is going to get 16 of these things

https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/79769

Self-propelled 155mm Slovak artillery

Paid for out of the Russian $300 billion I assume

Germany is resisting meanwhile even sending old Marders

Anything to avoid sending 'proper' NATO tech and having its aura of invincibility tested

PhSt wrote:I dont like the way this war is going. Russia needs to get things right and turn Ukraine into a smoldering wasteland. Why is there still electricity in Kiev? It wouldn't hurt if all power stations in Ukraine are knocked out. Also, how are the Ukro Nazis still able to mount a credible defense against Russian forces?? Its been more than a month. If Ukrainian regions are too brainwashed to welcome Russian liberators, then Exterminate everything in it and then just repopulate it later with ethnic Russians. Russia will be accused of war crimes anyways regardless of what they do. Russia's reluctance to destroy Ukraine is only being viewed as a weakness by NATzO. There is no point to hold back anymore, Ukro Nazis already stated that they view all Russians as their enemies.

That's what they want. For Russia to respond to nationalist hatred with its own, and turn everything and everyone into a pile of goo.

But the plan is still to destabilize the regime and get Ukrainian units to surrender, and for cities to accept Russian forces

The mayor of Dnepropetrovsk is already sounding like he's getting ready to switch

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Ispan wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:[

...The warhead was almost certainly the anti-personnel 9N123F, given the lack of an impact crater and lack of significant structural damage on surrounding buildings. It blows up about 20m above ground, showering the area in shrapnel..

A single warhead? I hadn't looked at the photos and I thought they were cluster munitions.

No briefing today but found this good report of today's fighting

https://topwar.ru/194668-protivnik-ispolzuet-taktiku-manevrennoj-oborony-svodka-po-specoperacii-vs-rf-na-ukraine.html

I see almost no structural damage at all anywhere, and no craters, just piles of dead people that look as though they've been shot, again consistent with shrapnel. A few cars parked nearby caught fire though - red hot shrapnel pierced their fuel tanks I guess.

I'd guess that the warhead exploded some 50 meters north west of the station, above the rails at 15-20m altitude tops (the datasheet for the warhead says 10-20m). Most dead are in the outdoor waiting area to the south adjacent to the station. One person was killed on the parking lot in front of the station, right where the burned cars are, and there is an opening towards the area of explosion right there, between the station and another structure.

Meanwhile, the thin tin roofs of several adjacent buildings are untouched etc. Suggesting a near horizontal shrapnel "spray" pattern from low altitude.

edit:south waiting area too

So, just based on the photos and videos:



I am no expert on any of these things so I could be completely wrong, but typically the engine unit falls off shortly before impact and has a lot more drag and less momentum (grid fins, blunt front, empty husk of metal) than the warhead (streamlined, heavy), so it falls short of the intended target, in this case a bit over 100m, and it gives a rough idea of the trajectory.

The warhead that I am guessing it was (9N123F), again I could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me, has a stated coverage of between 2 and 3 hectares, so I went with about 2.5 hectares here. Since it detonates at a low altitude, stated as 15 +/- 5m, buildings of modest height are enough to absorb a lot of it (it is designed to be used in the open), and would create obvious "shadows" for the 14 500 pieces of pre-fractured anti-personnel shrapnel it carries, which is also supported by the locations of the victims.

Flight path is just a rough estimate, the engine unit doesn't necessarily fall *completely* in line, but never far from it, absolutely certain southwestern origin. We do know from eyewitnesses that they saw and heard it incoming from the southwest as well, and the RU MoD immediately mentioned Dobropolye/Dobropillya specifically. So all of that adds up.

So, just to illustrate my line of thought, nothing else. R.I.P to those poor souls...

I think one can also discount the theories of an accident (malfunction, shootdown).

These are designed to be used against masses of soft targets in an open field, there are no such Russian or separatist ditto within range, given the established trajectory, so there's no legitimate military reason to fire it in this direction at all.

A shootdown would have been quite noticeable, with booms at high altitude, and surely mentioned by someone by now, and it wouldn't produce such obvious results of the warhead detonating exactly as designed, or the engine unit being found in this fashion close to impact, as typical of a Tochka-U strike.

Moreover, this is still quite the distance from the actual front line, so any engaging SAM would have had to fly quite far, without anyone noticing. Again unlikely, or ruled out.

In Donetsk, the Ukrainian attempts at Tochka strikes that were shot down happened at rather short range, terminal phase, and a big heap of nondescript burning debris was all that hit the ground.

The ones that succeeded, such as the one that hit less than a month ago and killed 20+ civilians, looked exactly like this.

Everything simply points to an absolutely deliberate mass murder of civilians gathered to leave by train. The March 14 strike with an anti-personnel Tochka on a completely civilian area of Donetsk was also deliberate mass murder.

A month or so ago, Russian cruise missiles struck the Ukrainian airbase in Kramatorsk, from which most attacks on LDNR were carried out, and the Kiev-appointed local officials said that pro-Russian civilians in Kramatorsk had provided Russia with information. The same officials then outright bragged about summarily executing several of these "collaborators"...

I wrote some about it back then, as it happened. Videos from locals basically celebrating the Russian strikes on UA military positions were everywhere too.

So regarding the Ukrainian Tochka strike on Kramatorsk civilians, that's just another detail that shows the utter contempt Kiev has for these folks. As a result of the contempt they have for Kiev, unless held at Ukrainian gunpoint, which they have for 8 years.

RIA News
The Russian Ministry of Defense in Kramatorsk: An analysis of the radius of destruction of the warhead, as well as the characteristic position of the body of the tail section of the Tochka-U missile unequivocally confirm that it was launched from the southwest direction from Kramatorsk. According to available…
The Russian Defense Ministry has warned that the threat of Kyiv provocations and rocket attacks on civilians remains high:

The Ukrainian armed forces still possess a significant arsenal of Tochka-U missiles. Before the start of the special military operation, the Kiev regime had at its disposal 20 Tochka-U missile systems, which included 2 launchers each.

During the special military operation, 8 Ukrainian Tochki-U launchers and about 90% of the missiles in the arsenals were destroyed.

https://t.me/rian_ru/157869







Missiles vs. length of operation. I wonder how many months of operation Russia can sustain current rate of cruise missiles usage? I hope there are hundreds still in stock. NAtoZI are going to supply new ammo and weapons to nazi junta to keep war going... :/

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

RIA News
The Russian Ministry of Defense in Kramatorsk: An analysis of the radius of destruction of the warhead, as well as the characteristic position of the body of the tail section of the Tochka-U missile unequivocally confirm that it was launched from the southwest direction from Kramatorsk. According to available…
The Russian Defense Ministry has warned that the threat of Kyiv provocations and rocket attacks on civilians remains high:

The Ukrainian armed forces still possess a significant arsenal of Tochka-U missiles. Before the start of the special military operation, the Kiev regime had at its disposal 20 Tochka-U missile systems, which included 2 launchers each.

During the special military operation, 8 Ukrainian Tochki-U launchers and about 90% of the missiles in the arsenals were destroyed.

https://t.me/rian_ru/157869







Missiles vs. length of operation.  I wonder how many months of operation Russia can sustain current rate of  cruise missiles usage?  I hope there are hundreds still in stock. NAtoZI are going to  supply new ammo and weapons to nazi junta to keep war going...  :/

They are probably cranking them out. Probably still thousands of all variants.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

RIA News
The Russian Ministry of Defense in Kramatorsk: An analysis of the radius of destruction of the warhead, as well as the characteristic position of the body of the tail section of the Tochka-U missile unequivocally confirm that it was launched from the southwest direction from Kramatorsk. According to available…
The Russian Defense Ministry has warned that the threat of Kyiv provocations and rocket attacks on civilians remains high:

The Ukrainian armed forces still possess a significant arsenal of Tochka-U missiles. Before the start of the special military operation, the Kiev regime had at its disposal 20 Tochka-U missile systems, which included 2 launchers each.

During the special military operation, 8 Ukrainian Tochki-U launchers and about 90% of the missiles in the arsenals were destroyed.

https://t.me/rian_ru/157869

Missiles vs. length of operation.  I wonder how many months of operation Russia can sustain current rate of  cruise missiles usage?  I hope there are hundreds still in stock. NAtoZI are going to  supply new ammo and weapons to nazi junta to keep war going...  :/

The tempo is lower now. The most important stuff has been cratered. What's left is mostly hideouts of this or that group, hidden arms caches, new shipments of weapons/vehicles/aircraft, and maybe some more rail junctions.

The West ultimately has the advantage. It has $300 billion in confiscated Russian money to produce arms with and invest into R&D. It can supply everything to the Ukraine.

Thus Russia needs to collapse Ukrainian morale quickly and take control over more territory.
It needs to bomb supply runs too

Russia probably still has plenty of missiles but it needs them in case of war with NATO.
As it closes distance and eleminates more air defense it would be more prudent to rely on older munitions; Kh-25s, Kh-29s, Kh-15s, Smerch rockets, Shturm/Atakas. Anything old or decommissioned that it can combine with modern targeting basically.
Eventually it can move on to iron bombs with the SVP-24 targeting complex of the Su-24M

While it's doing that Russia should produce as much as possible of the experimental stuff, to be able to attack from medium range via a selection of platforms:
Koalitsiya with ramjet powered shells
Grom 1/2 gliding bombs
Izdeliye 305
Hermes-K vehicles
Ka-52M with drones
Kh-59
UCAVs of all stripes
Tornado-S

In addition to the Iskanders/Kalibrs/Onyxes/Kh-55s/Kh-102s of course.

Russia can't churn out any 1 item too quickly but with the sheer range of weapons and platforms all produced at different factories or assembly lines, it can produce a hell of a lot quite promptly in summation.

flamming_python wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

RIA News
The Russian Ministry of Defense in Kramatorsk: An analysis of the radius of destruction of the warhead, as well as the characteristic position of the body of the tail section of the Tochka-U missile unequivocally confirm that it was launched from the southwest direction from Kramatorsk. According to available…
The Russian Defense Ministry has warned that the threat of Kyiv provocations and rocket attacks on civilians remains high:

The Ukrainian armed forces still possess a significant arsenal of Tochka-U missiles. Before the start of the special military operation, the Kiev regime had at its disposal 20 Tochka-U missile systems, which included 2 launchers each.

During the special military operation, 8 Ukrainian Tochki-U launchers and about 90% of the missiles in the arsenals were destroyed.

https://t.me/rian_ru/157869

Missiles vs. length of operation.  I wonder how many months of operation Russia can sustain current rate of  cruise missiles usage?  I hope there are hundreds still in stock. NAtoZI are going to  supply new ammo and weapons to nazi junta to keep war going...  :/

The tempo is lower now. The most important stuff has been cratered. What's left is mostly hideouts of this or that group, hidden arms caches, new shipments of weapons/vehicles/aircraft, and maybe some more rail junctions.

The West ultimately has the advantage. It has $300 billion in confiscated Russian money to produce arms with and invest into R&D. It can supply everything to the Ukraine.

Thus Russia needs to collapse Ukrainian morale quickly and take control over more territory.
It needs to bomb supply runs too

Russia probably still has plenty of missiles but it needs them in case of war with NATO.
As it closes distance and eleminates more air defense it would be more prudent to rely on older munitions; Kh-25s, Kh-29s, Kh-15s, Smerch rockets, Shturm/Atakas. Anything old or decommissioned that it can combine with modern targeting basically.
Eventually it can move on to iron bombs with the SVP-24 targeting complex of the Su-24M

While it's doing that Russia should produce as much as possible of the experimental stuff, to be able to attack from medium range via a selection of platforms:
Koalitsiya with ramjet powered shells
Grom 1/2 gliding bombs
Izdeliye 305
Hermes-K vehicles
Ka-52M with drones
Kh-59
UCAVs of all stripes
Tornado-K

In addition to the Iskanders/Kalibrs/Onyxes/Kh-55s/Kh-102s of course.

Russia can't churn out any 1 item too quickly but with the sheer range of weapons and platforms all produced at different factories or assembly lines, it can produce a hell of a lot quite promptly in summary.

I am just thinking how cool it would be to liberate Kiev with some souped up T-34s and KV/IS tanks. Cover them with some Il-2 and Il-10s. But wait until Ukraine is exhausted in terms of equipment and supplies. Also, use some Katyushas and give some troops some PPSh-41s.