Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11

andalusia wrote:

I guess I am susceptible to US news media but the Javelin is having success does Russia have a fire and forget missile similar to the Javelin?

Well then i guess you read that article in the early days of the operation that was widely spread in Western media, where an anonymous US Special Forces Officer monitoring the entire battlefield on the ground stated that out of 300 Javelin missiles fired, 280 knocked out their target.
Obviously we have seen no proof other than a handfull of videos showing the launching of Javelins by what we can assume are Ukranian (or affiliated) troops, but no aftermath footage (save for maybe a few). You would think that from those 280 salvos at least a few where caught on tape in full, or otherwise properly documented?

In the meantime the US has come out and litteraly stated that most of the "intel" it presents from the ground is overexagerated, based on poor info or even simply made up entirely, for the sole purpose of "messing with the Russians".

Apply some critical thinking and draw your own conclusion.

andalusia wrote:Why is the Russian t 72B3 tank performing so poorly? It was thought that the Russian version was better than the export version for instance in 1991 Persian Gulf War.  Are these tanks simply outdated? Moreover, why is the Ukrainian T 64 doing better?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/12/15/ukraines-tanks-could-be-better-than-russias-it-might-not-matter/?sh=5a360521571b


Romesha explained that Russian T-72  tank like the ones seen crossing Ukraine’s borders, store their ammo inside and underneath the tank’s turret. So when an armor-piercing round like the Javelin ignites the stored ammo via its own warhead, the turret will go flying.

Are you on drugs?  

Why the foxtrot would you think Ukrorat T-64 are out-performing Russian T-72B3?????  Cuz some Ukro cockroach or a western MSM nazi fluffer says so?

I've seen plenty of T-64s missing their lids....  cuz they have similar carousel loaders.  Really, pls think a little about info sources (Forbes??? ) before you post?

Its been a while since we have seen one as big as this on video

   


POW´s in Mariupol. A lot of guys with beards (will be hard for the "SEAL team expert" to dismiss this as fake)

andalusia wrote:I guess I am susceptible to US news media but the Javelin is having success does Russia have a fire and forget missile similar to the Javelin?

Yeah sure. Javelin was touted as a Murkan Wunderwaffe that would annihilate the primitive Moskal armor and send the mongoloids running back to their mud-huts in time to receive the all-conquering Ukrainian military as it liberates Moscow... but instead it has proved to be another Fail-35 or Zumwalt - an over-priced under-performing POS that the ukro orcs have complained bitterly about Too heavy, too bulky, too long to setup, too much hassle with cooled seekers, not suitable for use in real combat conditions etc etc

Murkans will LIE about javelin to secure sales, a lot like how the Patriot intercepted every Iraqi Scud it was fired at....

Which NATO country did provide this?


Unknown locations. Not many armored vehicles left.

Stuff moving around in Belarus. Disinformation? Or is something brewing?

Stealthflanker wrote:RIP RWA Podcast

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast

Bastards. I know these guys well, even before they got big. Both of them are nationalists, but not the crazy Ukro type and their reporting was dead-on. At least they have TG channel.

04/13/2022 Вестник Мордовии

Leopard 1 will fight the T-72 in Ukraine, like the Panzer III against the T-34-85

Germany can supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with fifty old Leopard 1s. According to Handelsblatt, after the approval of this deal by the government, such armored vehicles may be in Ukraine in 42 days.

True, according to "RG: Russian Weapons", representatives of nationalist formations should not be particularly happy. These tanks were taken out of service in 2010 due to obsolescence.

They have very weak armor protection. Therefore, even not the most modern anti-tank missiles will easily hit them, not to mention the Kornets and Ataks.

They are inferior to all Russian tanks in service, even those that have not undergone modernization. It's like comparing a World War II Panzer III to a Soviet T-34-85. It is clear which side has the advantage.

Therefore, they will surely be turned into flaming scrap metal within a very short time. If, of course, these deliveries take place and Leopard 1 still gets into a "hot spot", then, like 80 years ago, our fighters on the T-72, T-80 and T-90 will be able to destroy German tanks. The same fate awaits the Nazis, who decide to fight them.

https://vpk.name/news/594493_leopard_1_budut_voevat_s_t-72_na_ukraine_kak_panzer_iii_protiv_t-34-85.html?new#new

Hole wrote:
Which NATO country did provide this?  

They must have stolen this from a museum!

A nice example of Ukrainian criminal mentality mixed with utter desperation.

Hole wrote:

Ah yes, a rare photograph of one of the vehicles of the Ukrainians 23rd Gypsy Battalion.  They don't get issued any vehicles, but they just steal whatever they can find. Also the lead from your roof...  

Hole wrote:
Which NATO country did provide this?  

I think this is a weapon that has been already obsolete in WW2. On Youtube Mark Felton reported about this and other WW2 weapons used by Ukrainians.

Some seem to forget that the T-64 and T-72 derive from Soviet technology.
So trying to put the T-64 as superior, to praise the Ukrainians, is not very serious.

https://t.me/c/1369712865/7378734

Ukrainian POWs who get medical help are shown Russian POW execution videos. You don't see that on Western media.

In the end - executing POWs will make the Russian side fight to the last man, treating POWs well will make surrendering a very tempting option for Ukrainians. It's that simple. It will be even more relevant during the clearing of cauldrons.

And I think as someone mentioned, Russia might have a different approach to more "conventional" Western one regards Nation Building. Whatever they have in store for Ukraine, Russia clearly wants these soldiers to be part of it. Hence why they treat them so well, filter criminal elements out, and so on. They will need security forces and a reformed military - the destruction of the Iraq army and the time until it was recreated was a catastrophe for Iraq and only created more radicals. Chechens after second war were also not that friendly, but look at them now.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:Some seem to forget that the T-64 and T-72 derive from Soviet technology.
So trying to put the T-64 as superior, to praise the Ukrainians, is a little serious.

Simple facts are:

T-64 tank family and even later T-80 are more vulnerable to detonations after penetration than T-72 family due to ammo storage and type of carrousel.

Ukrainian APDS rounds are much less capable than Russian ones.

Artillery strikes, and top-of-the-line heavy ATGMs will destroy ANY tank that is in service right now. T-55 or M1A3 SEP, same difference if hit by Stugna/Kornet, 152 mm, Tornado S and etc.

Discussions about T-64 superiority are silly, even if somehow they were, what's the difference? The main threats are not tanks themselves.

flamming_python wrote:Strelkov doesn't lie. Although I don't believe him when he said going to h Donbass was his own initiative. Did the border guards let him and his band through to the territory of another state also on their own initiative.

But Strelkov is cynical and pessimistic down to a fault. He states facts, but uses them to construct and argue the most depressing conclusions.
His political analysis of anything is bunk. I remember during the protests in Bashkiria, he was trying to put an accent on them as if a separatist conflict would start any day now. When there was a big protest in Ingushetia as a result of territorial swaps with Chechnya, he was also talking about blood being spilt any day now and the necessity of urgent measures

Well neither situation went that way

Maybe this is the source for your dramatic mood swings. Since that guy has no real intel he is not relevant for the operation Z nor the tactics or strategy implemented.

Maybe you should stop listening to this guy.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:Some seem to forget that the T-64 and T-72 derive from Soviet technology.
So trying to put the T-64 as superior, to praise the Ukrainians, is a little serious.

AND lets not forget that during the Cold War the T-64 was regarded in the West as a total failure - and regarded as inferior to the T-72
Only to discover later on that it was far superior to anything the West fielded at the time!

Mmmmmm

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Three large drones with some 15 liter tanks and sprayers. These do not seem to be for agricultural purpose.

Mir wrote:

AND lets not forget that during the Cold War the T-64 was regarded in the West as a total failure - and regarded as inferior to the T-72  
Only to discover later on that it was far superior to anything the West fielded at the time!  

T-64 are with their problems, but so are all tanks. Very good tank during its time, but the reality is that simple things like quality ammo and maintenance are not on the Ukrainian side.
Oh yes, fuel shortage as well... Tank that can't move is just a pillbox. They could be fielding latest NATO tanks and it would make very little difference.

JohninMK wrote:Mmmmmm

Moon of Alabama
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Three large drones with some 15 liter tanks and sprayers. These do not seem to be for agricultural purpose.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1514190064917655552

Looks like DJI Agras series. There's even a sticker on it. Seen exactly the same ones during the Farmers' fair in Ireland two years ago. Why the army needed them is another question, maybe confiscated them from some farming complex and wanted to poison Russians or simply use them to throw grenades/VOGs? Chemical weapons require some preparation, it can't be simply pulled out of their arse. Russian intel is not like during the beginning of the war, any movement of CW storage and specialists would invite cruise/ballistic missiles, but it wouldn't stop Ukrainians from trying.

04/13/2022
Военное обозрение


Poland delivered the first batch of decommissioned T-72M tanks to Ukraine

Poland has begun deliveries of Soviet-style armored vehicles to Ukraine, we are talking about T-72 tanks and BWP-1 infantry fighting vehicles (Polish version of the BMP-1). According to a number of Telegram channels, the first batch of equipment has already been delivered to Ukrainian territory.

Officially, Kyiv does not report anything, continuing to beg heavy weapons from the West, but according to available information, Poland has already delivered the first batch of T-72 tanks removed from storage to Ukraine. How many tanks were in the batch is unknown, but in total the Poles intend to supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine with up to 100 (one hundred) T-72M MBTs.

The T-72M tanks delivered to Ukraine are a simplified modification of 1979, they lack dynamic armor, modern fire control systems, and multi-channel sights. These tanks were at the storage base in Lublin, the Polish military planned to upgrade them to the level of the RT-91, but there were no funds, then the hands did not reach. Now the Poles will also receive money for this scrap metal.

It is not clear what condition the tanks are in now, but it can be said with confidence that Kyiv does not have time for overhaul and modernization of these tanks, and there is nowhere to do work, Russia has attacked all factories capable of repairing armored vehicles.

Together with the tanks, the Poles are handing over BWP-1 infantry fighting vehicles (Polish licensed version of the BMP-1). The number of cars is unknown, their transfer near the Ukrainian border was noticed yesterday.

Against this background, Slovakia confirmed plans to transfer MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine from the presence of the country's air force. According to Prime Minister Eduard Heger, this issue will be resolved after Bratislava receives guarantees for the protection of its airspace from NATO partners. Heger did not set a date for the talks.

https://vpk.name/news/594666_polsha_postavila_na_ukrainu_pervuyu_partiyu_snyatyh_s_hraneniya_tankov_t-72m.html

flamming_python wrote:

Hole wrote:
   

Apparently the DNR has information that that British merc has been involved in a sex scandal of some kind during his service in the Ukrainian armed forces. He's been in the Ukrainian armed forces for a few years, so not sure if he would qualify as a merc.

Anyway let's hope it's "one between the boys", rather than one involving a local

Who is that, that's not CossacGundi. He is POW, but this is another guy. I think CossacGundi will be considered POW, not a merc, server 5+ years in UA marines, has a wife, didn't join Azov, so he played it safe as he knew what will happen. Not sure about his other countrymen.

04/13/2022
Lenta.ru


British armored personnel carrier seized in Kharkiv region




The Russian military seized an armored personnel carrier (APC) of British production AT105 Saxon in the Kharkiv region. This is reported by Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the Telegram channel "Military correspondents of the Russian Spring".

In 2014, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine purchased 75 British vehicles. In 2015, the first batch of armored personnel carriers was handed over to the customer. Saxon is used as a command post and evacuation vehicles.

The Saxon armored personnel carrier was developed in the 1970s on the basis of the AT104 police armored car. The BTR is based on the Bedfort MK truck. The car received steel armor, which provides protection from small arms bullets.

Earlier, Sky News journalist Deborah Hines named the models of armored vehicles that Britain decided to supply to Ukraine. The British side will hand over Mastiff, Wolfhound and Husky TSV armored vehicles.

In March, the head of Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa (PGZ), Sebastian Chwalek, announced that in 2022 the Polish military could receive the first batch of Borsuk infantry fighting vehicles.