If they where towing a ship that normally sails under its own power double so during a storm that means power was lost
No it doesn't. There are lots of reasons for towing a ship, including the engine or transmission is broken... or there is no one on board...
Or do you think they need someone on board with their foot on the brakes?
THIS HERE should have gotten you all this angry and made you feel rage, your soldiers getting mutilated and castrated not losing some 45 year old obsolete rust bucket built by a country that no longer even exist
You can always build new ships but those boys will never grow new balls
Not to mention these people upset about the pride of the loss.... none of them seem worried about injuries or human casualties...
That kind of firepower does have its uses, and even though the trucks themselves are ancient they are quite mobile.
They are as good a delivery system as much more modern equipment, but the weapon is the rocket... I hope they start with their oldest rockets in stock and work their way through them... no point wasting good stuff on these Orcs.
The US already has something like an airborne artillery plane. The AC-130 has a 105mm M102 howitzer. It has been very effective.
It is actually terrible and totally useless in places where the enemy has any MANPADS at all because with all those guns and ammo on board its low speed and poor performance in terms of operational ceiling means it is horribly vulnerable to MANPADS and other air defences... they have lost 7 or 8 to MANPADS from memory...
And they look very impressive but they are not that effective.
Sure you can execute the Banderastani war criminals. But the ringleaders were also in NATO govts.
The question then becomes.. how do you apply justice to those vermin?
You get the criminals on the ground that did the war crimes that you have on trial to expose the network above them that ordered and supported them in their actions...
The plant which makes Neptun missiles in Kiev was taken out last night. So I think it's pretty clear that the Ukrainian version of events is accurate.
The Ukrainian version of events was their two missiles hit the Moskva which immediately rolled over and sunk so we know it is not even close to accurate.
The plant was attacked probably because it was on the list to be attacked.
Will you stop acting like a child lashing out?
Lashing out at the US is understandable... they created this situation... this is exactly what they wanted though it isn't going the way they expected because they always under estimate the Russian military and over estimate their own allies and abilities to control and coerce.
It was very stupid to send it that far from Crimea in the first place.
Why?
Low flying subsonic missiles are not a huge threat unless there are other problems.
It would be nice for them if they capture Nikolaiev and take that 4th Slava and modernize it. Super Gorshkov won't come anytime soon and they need such ship in the north to face NATO.
Nice to capture Nikolaiev and burn the place to the ground and tow the 4th Slava out to shallow water and make it a dive site.
Still I'm standing behind Clausewitzh words which implies that war cannot fight to be nice. At the end of the day, the enemy WILL FORCE YOU to be as cruel and unforgiven as it is.
It is western culture to think wars are clean and fair with little to no casualties... of course western soldiers are angels and never commit war crimes or be naughty...
You would think someone interested in Russia and Russian history would have a better understanding of the real world and what wars are actually like.
Clausewitz was not around in the time of real-time media and propaganda war
In this case the enemy with his propaganda dominance over his own territory, is trying to do extreme violent acts in order to put the blame on YOU whether through misinformation or provoking you to do the same back for real
You can counter it only by refusing to do such acts yourself. Hence over time implicating THEM in everything.
You are not getting it.
The enemy is scum and their supporters are scum and it is going to take a lot to defeat the enemy and their supporters will remain safe and protected through all of this.
Taking losses is inevidable, but eliminating the enemy is worth any cost because the alternative is that they will do to all Russians what they are currently doing to captured Russian soldiers.
They were left standing this long into the war?
Jesus Christ, the incompetence...
They were no threat... when a potential threat was revealed by claims from Kiev that threat was eliminated.
They don't want to destroy absolutely everything... they are letting their enemy decide.
Agree with you. Such plant should have been taken out at the begining.
Yes, because anti ship missiles are like Vampires... when you destroy the plant that builds missiles all the missiles they ever made are destroyed too...
Probably another 'agreement' with Russia that the Ukrainian side of course or whatever oligarch, decided to go back on at a moment that happened to be convenient for them
That is an interesting point... any oligarch that made a deal with Russia before the war, they should locate all their assets and sources of income... if they turn on Russia... light them up.
So based on what we've seen so far in this war, does Russia plan to cleanse the whole of Ukraine of Neonazi Paramilitary groups or will it be limited to the LPR/DPR territories?
It will hopefully include the entire Black Sea coast...
That's silly.
It may be that they have damaged it, as some Argentine pilots say, but from there to sinking it, there is no evidence.
Moreover, there are images of the Invincible, after the conflict.
The British and Americas are such liars I would never instantly dismiss anyone saying they are a liar, but in this case I thought the Argentines did rather well... two destroyers and two frigates and a landing ship and a civilian transport ship is pretty good going for such a small short war.
The Argentine pilots were particularly brave coming in very low behind the radar shadow of the islands to hit ships operating in the harbour and near the islands.
As a result Soviet ships started fitting machine gun mounts around their ships to allow the sailors to set up 12.7mm HMGs to defend the ships...
I hope the MoD is being honest this time. If it isn't, then I can see why, the Russian population is an emotional one - but in my mind it would be yet another misjudgment.
I am sure Putin thought about it a lot and finally realised your mind is already made so trying to please you now would be shutting the gate after the horse has bolted...
He implied no such thing.
"Footage from earlier today shows Tu-22M3 long range strategic bomber refueling in-air above Vyazma, Russia."
He's corrected it on his telegram channel.
He also added a subnote to his tweet saying it's a TU-160.
The Tu-22M3 is not a long range strategic bomber and has no inflight refuelling probe so it can't refuel in flight.
I see too many fans of outright genocide on this forum - but the strategy should be to end the war as quickly as possibly. Shock & awe might have done it if it was used right from the start, but it's too late now and Russia needs to stay the course.
Stay the course from the guy bleating about it being a horrible mistake and it never should have happened because Putin should have convinced them they were Russian too...
Nasty but to be expected.
More proof if proof were needed that they are scum...
Where would they get all these corpses from?
The only places Russia withdrew from was in the north, and there was only a month of conflict there. Russia would have retrieved most of its dead itself. Well Russia also withdrew from north of Nikolayev, but that was a minor advance.
The rest of the places Russia has only been advancing in, and even if Russian soldiers were ambushed or an assault was repelled, I doubt anyone would take the time to catalogue all the dead
And how many people have passport photos of their faces as their social media pics? How would they match a dead man's face to any one of millions of social media accounts?
Complete rubbish all this.
Why would you post such information on line except to make it sound like there are a lot more dead Russians than there actually are... note it said dead and captured faces were scanned.
These are people who castrate and murder unarmed prisoners... do you expect more or less from them now?
You can talk shit here, it doesn't affect anything.
It all fits beautifully with your agenda though... it is always Putins fault, or the leadership of the Russian Navy has to go... sounds like you have a problem with authority...
If you bothered to read the article they claim to have identified 582 corpses...
To be fair I didn't read it either... I could care less what the Nazis have to say.
"If Ukraine continues its provocations by attacking Russian cities, Russia will be forced to declare war against Ukraine” - Dmitri Peskov.
Apart from possible mobilisations, how would it differ from what is going on now?
I would expect the effort would shift from saving Ukrainians from Nazi rulers to defending Russia from an external threat, which would mean the eastern ukraine will look like Iraqi cities, as will Kiev once the locals have been given the chance to leave.
If the Nazis don't let them well then that is on the nazis.
And the other important ship was the Sheffield, a destroyer that was the second most modern they had.
The Shefield was a shock because it was the first wasn't it?
Its sister ship was also sunk too...the Conventry....
I refuse to believe in the incompetence of the Russian army. I just think that these shitty Ukrainians were prepared with the best by NATO.
Excuse me, but I am very angry.
Quite rightly so, but hopefully Kiev is dumb enough to try to escalate the conflict with attacks inside Russia (unsuccessful ones obviously) because that should lead to a change of tactics were it no longer becomes a case of negotiations with a potential neighbour, but an enemy to be taken down and destroyed.
They should have done that from the get go and kept repeating until then they got the ones they like in government
They gave them the chance to do the right thing and save lots of innocent lives.... not surprisingly being nazis they chose to go down fighting... which is how it currently is.
If they want further escalation then that would be a benefit really... a chance to deliver the pain of war to groups up until now relatively safe.
Today he is showing an image of weakness and I don't see an effective reaction.
What you are seeing is a country and a leader that has tried to please the west but realises it is never going to happen so he has given up trying to please the western leadership or the western media and he is just securing Russian borders and eliminating threats to Russia... nazis, bio weapons, and potential nukes...
If they want to escalate further then Kiev can be hit much much harder than it is being hit presently.
drop a nuke on washington? i mean have you even thought that through?
I took what he said to be Zelensky and Kiev, but after you mention Biden and Washington... sure why not... do it the American way and give a nuke to ISIS and hide it on a cargo ship and sail into close proximity of NY or other port city and boom...
Crazy obviously... but that is what happens when you play such games... escalation happens.
Moskva’s main air def. radar had a 180° fov. The secondary radar had a 360° fov. Perhaps Ukraine managed to fire into the 1st radar’s blind zone and the 2nd radar couldn't detect the missile because it followed a sea skimming trajectory (which is very difficult to detect)
Bullshit... Moskva has 360 degree radar coverage, but the missiles for the Fort-M system have a minimum engagement range of about 7km and would not be used against sea skimming missiles... the OSA missiles on the other hand would be ideal for shooting down low flying subsonic missiles as would the 6 x AK-630 gatling turrets that are on the ship specifically to deal with subsonic sea skimming missiles.
Which is why they shouldn't have any problem sending it to 90km from Ukraines coast because on paper two subsonic sea skimming missiles would have no chance, even in a storm.
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