Russian special military operation in Ukraine #12

Well, don't attack every sceptical person out there.
The Kiev regime might play this to the end, that is even if they just control 1/3 of their initial territory.
Question is, how Russia will make progress with this pace.
So far it is clear that cannot get to major cities and at least visible progress has slowed down from early March already.
Also, it is true that the vast majority of the machinery used is quite outdated.
At the moment this does look like it is going to stall.
Actually my very concept of playing asymmetrical and dirty (inside help and paralysis of Central command) was based on these observations.
We can hope for a destruction of Ukrainian forces in the east, but even this requires to stepping up the game to levels not seen in this conflict yet, since a fast encirclement maneuver has to be executed, problem is pro western lunatics will not capitulate even in this case.
At least both Kharkov and Odessa will be required for them to consider giving out.
Let's analyse objectively.

Hannibal Barca wrote:Well, don't attack every sceptical person out there.
The Kiev regime might play this to the end, that is even if they just control 1/3 of their initial territory.
Question is, how Russia will make progress with this pace.
So far it is clear that cannot get to major cities and at least visible progress has slowed down from early March already.
Also, it is true that the vast majority of the machinery used is quite outdated.
At the moment this does look like it is going to stall.
Actually my very concept of playing asymmetrical and dirty (inside help of paralysis of Central command) was based on these observations.
Let's analyse objectively.

At the moment, it's like not wanting to drive your people to their deaths. It is obvious that the rotation of forces is taking place now, the controlled territory is being protected, supplies are being brought in. Forces are concentrated before the next stage of the operation. It is likely that after the final sweep of Mariupol, we will see several weeks of silence, after which another piece of the territory of the former Ukraine will come under Russian control.
Russia is still on the attack, despite the fact that it is fighting with smaller forces.

So lets look at it objectively

Ukranian claims of “victory”:
Moskva
Berdyansk port incident
Several jets and helicopters
Kiev withdrawal
Belgorod oil depot
Hitting civilian houses in Russian village
Shelling of a border checkpoint
Slight damage to a railway line in Belgorod oblast
Tochka hit on Airfield in Russia and Kherson
A bunch of ambushes and atrocities against POW’s

Russian side:
Kherson oblast liberated
LNR mostly liberated
Several parts or DNR liberated
Almost complete destruction of Banderistan’s air and navy forces
Wehrmacht losses over 30,000 in killed and wounded
Destruction of majority of their Oil depots , supply and weapons depots, repair and construction facilities , airports…
Supply lines restricted
AD capacities severely reduced

And by all accounts and evidence so far, a massive offensive is being prepared in Donbas.
Scepticism and criticism is fine, I myself have criticised the Kiev operation and it still doesn’t sit right with me, but outright defeatism is getting tiresome and there’s  pages full of it.

PS
Targets in Lviv and Kiev being Kalibrated this morning

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukraine overnight. Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.

Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.

Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.

Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.
18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.

Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka. 11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehiclea were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.

In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

Very Short clip of Moskva cruiser with what appears to be a tug boat nearby.

https://t.me/toporlive/12989

Attack with Kalibrs around Lviv.
https://t.me/zheltyeslivy/44942

PAPADRAGON, that was the first and last time you spoke to me !!!
Since you are arrogant and overbearing, and you have no cover for it, I will write to you that I am aggressive when I am provoked. I address directly, not through others.
As of today, any communication between the two of us is a taboo topic.



MIR, you wrote that I published the same information that KREPOST had already published, and now I am copying his and my post, so let everyone see. TELL me where the announcement published by KREPOST that the laying of keels for two submarines will be done this year, what is in my announcement?


KREPOST post (Admirality shipyard), The announcement is from February 14 ; http://admship.ru/press/news/ao-admiralteyskie-verfi-pristupilo-k-rezke-metalla-dvukh-podvodnykh-lodok-proekta-677/

                                                                                                        TRANSLATION;

JSC "ADMIRALTY SHIPYARDS" STARTED CUTTING METAL OF TWO UNDERWATER BOATS OF PROJECT 677

Admiralty Shipyards JSC started cutting metal at once with two submarines of project 677.

The state contract for the construction of the fourth and fifth diesel-electric submarines of 677 projects was signed between JSC "Admiralty Shipyards" and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in June 2019 within the Forum "Army 2019".  In September 2018, the company launched the second submarine of the 677 Kronstadt project. The shipyards are currently preparing the submarine for the second stage of the factory running tests. Within the framework of the first stage, Admiralty Shipyards JSC successfully conducted high-speed and maneuver tests of the submarine. Specialists of the plant and the crew of the Russian Navy carried out the reconnaissance and rolling of the submarine, checked the hydroacoustic complex, navigation and communication systems, conducted tests of hoisting and mast devices.
Based on the results of the experimental operation of the main submarine "St. Petersburg", JSC "Admiralty Shipyards" modernizes the control system of ship's technical equipment, electric propulsion system, navigation complex on the following submarines 67.

Project 677 submarines belong to the fourth generation of non-nuclear submarines and are currently recognized as the most modern and promising domestic non-nuclear submarines, both in terms of combat effectiveness, efficiency and tactics, as well as the effectiveness of tactics and tactics. Admiralty Shipyards JSC is the only shipbuilder of this class.


PODLODKA77 (TASS), The announcement is from March 22, I published it two days later ; https://tass.ru/obschestvo/14142549
       
                                                                                     TRANSLATION

The USC announced the laying of two large submarines of the Lada project this year

The decision to conclude a state contract for the construction of a new series of ships is taken by the Russian Ministry of Defense

MOSCOW, March 22. /TASS/. Two large multi-purpose diesel-electric submarines of project 677 of the Lada series will be laid down at the Admiralty Shipyards shipbuilding enterprise (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, USC) this year. This was reported to TASS in the USC.
"The laying of two large submarines of the Lada project will take place this year," the holding said.

The USC noted that the decision to conclude a state contract for the construction of a new series of boats of this project is made by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

The lead boat of the Lada series B-585 Saint Petersburg entered service with the Northern Fleet in September 2021. The B-586 Kronstadt submarine and the third submarine of the B-587 series Velikiye Luki are being prepared for handover to the fleet in 2022.
Project 677 submarines belong to the fourth generation of diesel-electric submarines and today are recognized as the most modern and promising domestic non-nuclear submarines both in terms of combat effectiveness and other performance characteristics. "Admiralty Shipyards" is the only plant that builds submarines of this class.

Serberus wrote:So lets look at it objectively

Ukranian claims of “victory”:
Moskva
Berdyansk port incident
Several jets and helicopters
Kiev withdrawal
Belgorod oil depot
Hitting civilian houses in Russian village
Shelling of a border checkpoint
Slight damage to a railway line in Belgorod oblast
Tochka hit on Airfield in Russia and Kherson
A bunch of ambushes and atrocities against POW’s

Russian side:
Kherson oblast liberated
LNR mostly liberated
Several parts or DNR liberated
Almost complete destruction of Banderistan’s air and navy forces
Wehrmacht losses over 30,000 in killed and wounded
Destruction of majority of their Oil depots , supply and weapons depots, repair and construction facilities , airports…
Supply lines restricted
AD capacities severely reduced

And by all accounts and evidence so far, a massive offensive is being prepared in Donbas.
Scepticism and criticism is fine, I myself have criticised the Kiev operation and it still doesn’t sit right with me, but outright defeatism is getting tiresome and there’s  pages full of it.

PS
Targets in Lviv and Kiev being Kalibrated this morning

And the pertinent questions:

Is that "progress", after 50+ days of fighting enough to ensure an acceptable, long lasting, and enforceable political solution? Is that progress forcing the enemy to the negotiating table? Is that progress enough to deter Russia's enemies (multiple) waging this war? Is that progress enough to "achieve" the stated public objectives of this operation, more less the private, unspoken ones?

No, no, no, no, no..........no...........................................................no......................................................................................................no.

It's gonna be a long, fratricidal war.

Unless of course, one side capitulates under the banner of compromise and reason. Since facts on the ground do not support Russia's vast grievances and potential demands, any negotiated solution with the current "progress" as a basis = defacto Russian capitulation relative to incurred cost.

ATLASCUB wrote:

Serberus wrote:So lets look at it objectively

Ukranian claims of “victory”:
Moskva
Berdyansk port incident
Several jets and helicopters
Kiev withdrawal
Belgorod oil depot
Hitting civilian houses in Russian village
Shelling of a border checkpoint
Slight damage to a railway line in Belgorod oblast
Tochka hit on Airfield in Russia and Kherson
A bunch of ambushes and atrocities against POW’s

Russian side:
Kherson oblast liberated
LNR mostly liberated
Several parts or DNR liberated
Almost complete destruction of Banderistan’s air and navy forces
Wehrmacht losses over 30,000 in killed and wounded
Destruction of majority of their Oil depots , supply and weapons depots, repair and construction facilities , airports…
Supply lines restricted
AD capacities severely reduced

And by all accounts and evidence so far, a massive offensive is being prepared in Donbas.
Scepticism and criticism is fine, I myself have criticised the Kiev operation and it still doesn’t sit right with me, but outright defeatism is getting tiresome and there’s  pages full of it.

PS
Targets in Lviv and Kiev being Kalibrated this morning

And the pertinent questions:

Is that "progress", after 50+ days of fighting enough to ensure an acceptable, long lasting political solution? Is that progress forcing the enemy to the negotiating table? Is that progress enough to deter Russia's enemies waging this war?

No, no, no, no, no..........no...........................................................no......................................................................................................no.

Yes, it is, because Banderistan was destroyed both militarily and on every other level; economy and infrastructure. The only thing they win on the field is Nazism. Write to us nicely now, how and with what will Ukraine harvest this year ? Where do they get their fuel from ?

How is it possible for 7 times smaller Serbia to save 5 operational MiG-29s after 78 days of NATO aggression ?
And do you know how many fewer airports Serbia has than Ukraine ? Its not even for comparison.
How is it possible that the NATO pact destroyed (together with the Shiptars) only 14 Serbian tanks?

Ukrainian TG chatter seems to indicate that some RU/LDNR combined offensive has begun. On the DNR front, a push northwest towards Gulyaypole, on the LNR front Kreminna has been taken and they're pushing on Kramatorsk.

Some says there's stuff in motion in both the Kharkov and Kherson regions too.

Guess it'll clear up over the day what's going on.

Have medals begun to be given to Russian troops?

If so, in the citation for the medals are any given mention of tankers surviving multiple javelin hits but continuing to maneuver and fight?

It would be interesting to know, as the US claims it has given 1/3 of entire stockpile to Ukraine and that Ukraine fires 1 week worth of them every single day.

That must mean they are either missing most of targets, or anti-tank missiles are not as omni[potent at killing Russian tanks as they are made out to be or Russian destruction of Ukrainian supply lines is very effective

Podlodka77 wrote:

Yes, it is, because Banderistan was destroyed both militarily and on every other level; economy and infrastructure. The only thing they win on the field is Nazism. Write to us nicely now, how and with what will Ukraine harvest this year ? Where do they get their fuel from ?

How is it possible for 7 times smaller Serbia to save 5 operational MiG-29s after 78 days of NATO aggression ?
And do you know how many fewer airports Serbia has than Ukraine ? Its not even for comparison.
How is it possible that the NATO pact destroyed (together with the Shiptars) only 14 Serbian tanks?

For all the bleating you do about "AmeriCUNT's" you sure love to use their talking points about lost wars. Saigon wants their victory back.

Don't let that get over your head... it's a guaranteed chip malfunction.

ATLASCUB wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

Serberus wrote:So lets look at it objectively

Ukranian claims of “victory”:
Moskva
Berdyansk port incident
Several jets and helicopters
Kiev withdrawal
Belgorod oil depot
Hitting civilian houses in Russian village
Shelling of a border checkpoint
Slight damage to a railway line in Belgorod oblast
Tochka hit on Airfield in Russia and Kherson
A bunch of ambushes and atrocities against POW’s

Russian side:
Kherson oblast liberated
LNR mostly liberated
Several parts or DNR liberated
Almost complete destruction of Banderistan’s air and navy forces
Wehrmacht losses over 30,000 in killed and wounded
Destruction of majority of their Oil depots , supply and weapons depots, repair and construction facilities , airports…
Supply lines restricted
AD capacities severely reduced

And by all accounts and evidence so far, a massive offensive is being prepared in Donbas.
Scepticism and criticism is fine, I myself have criticised the Kiev operation and it still doesn’t sit right with me, but outright defeatism is getting tiresome and there’s  pages full of it.

PS
Targets in Lviv and Kiev being Kalibrated this morning

And the pertinent questions:

Is that "progress", after 50+ days of fighting enough to ensure an acceptable, long lasting political solution? Is that progress forcing the enemy to the negotiating table? Is that progress enough to deter Russia's enemies waging this war?

No, no, no, no, no..........no...........................................................no......................................................................................................no.

Yes, it is, because Banderistan was destroyed both militarily and on every other level; economy and infrastructure. The only thing they win on the field is Nazism. Write to us nicely now, how and with what will Ukraine harvest this year ? Where do they get their fuel from ?

How is it possible for 7 times smaller Serbia to save 5 operational MiG-29s after 78 days of NATO aggression ?
And do you know how many fewer airports Serbia has than Ukraine ? Its not even for comparison.
How is it possible that the NATO pact destroyed (together with the Shiptars) only 14 Serbian tanks?

For all the bleating you do about "AmeriCUNT's" you sure love to use their talking points about lost wars. Saigon wants their victory back.

Don't let that get over your head... it's a guaranteed chip malfunction.

You see, that RTN is AMERICUNT, so I'm sorry if you have the misfortune to be his countryman. It is rare that a man from that country is reasonable.
The United States lost more planes in the Vietnam War than Russia lost troops against Nazi Ukraine. And as for Russia, YES, Russia wins. And while all the dogs from the West are barking, no one is allowed to approach the Russian yard. Yes, they will send some more weapons to prolong the conflict, but that will not prevent Russia's victory.

Podlodka77 wrote:PAPADRAGON, that was the first and last time you spoke to me !!!
Since you are arrogant and overbearing, and you have no cover for it, I will write to you that I am aggressive when I am provoked. I address directly, not through others.
As of today, any communication between the two of us is a taboo topic.

MIR, you wrote that I published the same information that KREPOST had already published, and now I am copying his and my post, so let everyone see. TELL me where the announcement published by KREPOST that the laying of keels for two submarines will be done this year, what is in my announcement?

I have posted this before but this was the ACTUAL post from Krepost (a screenshot of the headline) way back on 14 February 2022.


Your post was made on 24 March 2022 and it ACTUALLY looks like this >>


That's what I saw and it appeared to me to be a repost - get over your butthurt.

The Russian yard has been penetrated, and sodomized multiple times in a short span of 30 years (relative to history). The Ukranian war is but one of many manifestations of this. The Russian edifice is protected by arguably, depending on what pro's and cons an analyst values most, the best, or second best nuclear deterrence on the planet.

Idiocy is not American made. It's a human trait, practiced by everyone, some obviously more than others.

To call the current "progress" a "win" relative to cost is one example of such behavioral trait.

Mir wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:PAPADRAGON, that was the first and last time you spoke to me !!!
Since you are arrogant and overbearing, and you have no cover for it, I will write to you that I am aggressive when I am provoked. I address directly, not through others.
As of today, any communication between the two of us is a taboo topic.

MIR, you wrote that I published the same information that KREPOST had already published, and now I am copying his and my post, so let everyone see. TELL me where the announcement published by KREPOST that the laying of keels for two submarines will be done this year, what is in my announcement?

I have posted this before but this was the ACTUAL post from Krepost (a screenshot of the headline) way back on 14 February 2022.


Your post was made on 24 March 2022 and it ACTUALLY looks like this >>


That's what I saw and it appeared to me to be a repost - get over you butthurt.

OK, no problem, just don't call me names for no reason. Each of us on the forum will make mistakes and there is no dispute, but those two posts are not the same and do not have the same content.

Serberus wrote:Very Short clip of Moskva cruiser with what appears to be a tug boat nearby.

https://t.me/toporlive/12989

Big tug, Russian Black Sea Fleet Prj. 712 sea rescue tug Shakhter (SB-922), alongside the Moskva so plenty of power to tow her. Good sea state for a tow. Pretty tough to get a line on the bow, maybe they tried to tow stern first.

Same source of video as the earlier photos.

Ripped from The Drive, no doubt more comments like this will come. Maybe this sailor counted a subsequent explosion as another missile.

"Some 40 sailors were killed, several are missing and many more were wounded in the sinking of the warship Moskva, the independent Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta Europe reports quoting the mother of a sailor believed to be on board.

The mother said her son told her in a phone call that the Moskva, the flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, had been hit by three missiles from land, from Ukrainian territory.

"He called me and was crying because of what he had seen. It was terrifying," she said, adding that she herself was terrified of having to wait for him to finish his service.

He said he would not give her the details of what he had seen because it was so terrible, adding that many of the wounded had lost limbs because of the explosions."

Another comment

2 hours ago
The hull is cracked and bowed outwards alongside the S-300 launchers and magazines with significant smoke damage visible from those compartments,  it had extremely hot fires raging inside from the from of the superstructure to the hangar. SMEs on Twitter claim you can see damage from the forward RBU-6000 magazine having detonated in upres'd images.


This guy knows his stuff

John Konrad V
@johnkonrad

Update: looks like a salvage tug WAS alongside at the time of this photo. Good catch @MisrememberedY

UPDATE 2: A few have pointed out there is a boat, probably a salvage tug, close alongside starboard aft.





John Konrad V
@johnkonrad
The first question any salvage expert will ask is how close is she to sinking. The red line on this photo shows the approximate location of the new waterline. As you can see by comparing the photos she has lost a significant amount of buoyancy and is listing to port.

She, however, is probably not in immediate danger of sinking for a few reasons:
1) She has some reserve buoyancy left because she has not reached deck edge immersion, which is the point where no freeboard is left and stability goes from bad to worse.
2) The spraying water means they have at least emergency power which could be - if the crew had enough time - set up to help dewater the ship.
3) The weather is relatively calm. If the waves picked up the danger of sinking would increase exponentially.

ATLASCUB wrote:The Russian yard has been penetrated, and sodomized multiple times in a short span of 30 years (relative to history). The Ukranian war is but one of many manifestations of this. The Russian edifice is protected by arguably, depending on what pro's and cons an analyst values most, the best, or second best nuclear deterrence on the planet.

Idiocy is not American made. It's a human trait, practiced by everyone, some obviously more than others.

To call the current "progress" a "win" relative to cost is one example of such behavioral trait.

No, it's not an official victory yet and I didn't even write that.
This war only showed how important the ground army is, but also how vulnerable aviation is and above all airports. . Therefore, you should understand that just as Ukrainian airports passed, so would all European airports be destroyed. Of course, Russian airports would also be damaged in a conflict with NATO. And then what do we come up with? Thus, we come to the fact that the war would have to wage a land war against Russia, because that famous NATO aviation would lose its infrastructure very quickly. We come to the land war and a few hundred European tanks. One Greece has more tanks than France, England and Germany combined. Do you really think that the same Greece would be at war with Russia ?

I am sure that aircraft carriers are an easy target for Russian non-nuclear hypersonic missiles.
How long does it take for American aircraft carriers to approach Russia in order for their deck aviation to strike? I think that Kinzhal and Zircon have a longer range than the F-18 has a range from point A (aircraft carrier) to point B (zone of action), to the most important point C - return to the deck of the aircraft carrier.

I gave you Serbia as an example, because Ukraine is already much more destroyed than Serbia was during the NATO aggression. I have no respect for American military power. For God's sake, they don't even have quality anti-ship missiles on their destroyers and cruisers. And I think more and more that Arleigh Burke class destroyers are a very, very easy target.

ATLASCUB wrote:The Russian yard has been penetrated, and sodomized multiple times in a short span of 30 years (relative to history). The Ukranian war is but one of many manifestations of this. The Russian edifice is protected by arguably, depending on what pro's and cons an analyst values most, the best, or second best nuclear deterrence on the planet.

Idiocy is not American made. It's a human trait, practiced by everyone, some obviously more than others.

To call the current "progress" a "win" relative to cost is one example of such behavioral trait.

Your compatriots are certainly calling the progress to date a “Kiev win” and with losses incurred by them on a scale not seen since your glorious capitulation in Vietnam, idiotic behaviour has been observed on multiple occasions in this conflict, but mostly on the Fourth Reich side (Kiev, London, Washington)

Video is of another attempted breakout from Primorskyi area of Mariupol this time from a day or two ago i presume
Wehrmacht Nato puppet troops getting plastered
https://t.me/c/1491024150/10481

Most of what's been written in the past hour here or so is quite painful to read. Just saying. What's the point of infantile name-calling and stuff, anyway.

Big_Gazza wrote:

crod wrote:I assume one of the goals post this conflict is that the remainder of the Ukraine is a landlocked nation?

Yes, and whose principal exports will prostitutes and laborers.  Those who are too ugly to be whores, or too weak to be laborers will need to clean toilets.

Lets just be honest here, that's all they exported before the war with Russia even started.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Most of what's been written in the past hour here or so is quite painful to read. Just saying. What's the point of infantile name-calling and stuff, anyway.

Agreed, I don't wanna read through 5 pages of naval stuff that has nothing to do with what happened to the Moskva or 2 pages of goddamn "Repost beef".

JohninMK wrote:

Serberus wrote:Very Short clip of Moskva cruiser with what appears to be a tug boat nearby.

https://t.me/toporlive/12989

Big tug, Russian Black Sea Fleet Prj. 712 sea rescue tug Shakhter (SB-922), alongside the Moskva so plenty of power to tow her. Good sea state for a tow. Pretty tough to get a line on the bow, maybe they tried to tow stern first.

Same source of video as the earlier photos.

Ripped from The Drive, no doubt more comments like this will come. Maybe this sailor counted a subsequent explosion as another missile.

"Some 40 sailors were killed, several are missing and many more were wounded in the sinking of the warship Moskva, the independent Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta Europe reports quoting the mother of a sailor believed to be on board.

The mother said her son told her in a phone call that the Moskva, the flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, had been hit by three missiles from land, from Ukrainian territory.

"He called me and was crying because of what he had seen. It was terrifying," she said, adding that she herself was terrified of having to wait for him to finish his service.

He said he would not give her the details of what he had seen because it was so terrible, adding that many of the wounded had lost limbs because of the explosions."

Another comment

2 hours ago
The hull is cracked and bowed outwards alongside the S-300 launchers and magazines with significant smoke damage visible from those compartments,  it had extremely hot fires raging inside from the from of the superstructure to the hangar. SMEs on Twitter claim you can see damage from the forward RBU-6000 magazine having detonated in upres'd images.

The drive is a retard news channel. How would they know what happened ?

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Most of what's been written in the past hour here or so is quite painful to read. Just saying. What's the point of infantile name-calling and stuff, anyway.

When people who all are supporting the same side - Russia - start arguing with each other and name-calling it can be assumed that the war is not going very well for Russia.

If Russia was conducting this war with a successful manner and clearly winning the Russian supporters would be in a good mood and patting each other to their backs and giving high-fives.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Most of what's been written in the past hour here or so is quite painful to read. Just saying. What's the point of infantile name-calling and stuff, anyway.

When people who all are supporting the same side - Russia - start arguing with each other and name-calling it can be assumed that the war is not going very well for Russia.

If Russia was conducting this war with a successful manner and clearly winning the Russian supporters would be in a good mood and patting each other to their backs and giving high-fives.

Typical bait comment by another Nato troll

The offensive has already begun, in the West and North of Donbass, from Zaporozhye and Kharkov.
Intel Slava