Russian special military operation in Ukraine #12

Big_Gazza wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

US officials confirm?...  No, US officials assert.  

Big frigging difference.  Why should anyone believe these dirty fcking liars?

PapaDragon wrote:

PhSt wrote:I've been following the news but I don't see any decisive retribution yet as answer to the cowardly attack on the Moskva. I want to see more Ukrop cities leveled to the ground.

What's cowardly about it? It a huge warship not bus with civilians

It should have been suicidal move but it turned out to be epic success

Ukraine should have been leveled from day one, this whole ship thing should have nothing to do with it

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:According to one Ukrainian account, a Bayraktar took out the radar. Which left the vessel vulnerable to the Neptun threat.

Bullshit.  Only a fcking idiot would think that a Bayraktar would be able to engage a surface vessel 90kms from the coast without being seen and tracked from the moment it first appeared over the radar horizon. No chance a lone TB-2 could "take-out" a cruisers main surveillance radar in this manner.

ATLASCUB wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Mandatory viewing for anyone who wants to understand the Russia-Ukraine conflict - its origins, the strategic military situation, and the impact on the global financial-economic sphere.

Goddamn but I respect Scott Ritter.  If only Murkan "elites" had the intelligence and honesty of this guy.

Don't be delusional.

The desperation is so high, so palpable, people will seek appeal to authority validation from "ex" American spooks "fallen from grace" (apparently of course - you never quite leave the agency), german, british, brazilians....floridian grifters.... Anybody, anyone that can sell that sweet lie, sweetly wrapped that says "everything is going to be ok", "everything is going according to plan", "there is no reason to worry or panic", "the West are idiots", "the Russians are so smart" etc etc..... Otherwise how could you face the crises, the tension, how could possible sleep peacefully. We all know above all of it, it's just a big massive front to hide the real insecurity and fear cursing through the brain.

It's those people, far far away from Russia's political and military apparatus that know best. Kinda funny contrasting the divide for say a guy like Strelkov... a "6th columnist", a butthurt washed up has been... all for going directly for the Kremlin jugular.

It seems all of this has one common dominator..... for as long as the Kremlin is praised, and damaged control for, or "criticized" with soft gloves boxed in a small confine of limits to create cred validation you're ok for the hive mind. Step outside that confine and well, you'll be an outcast real quick. Not only of the Russian establishment and its propaganda apparatus which is quick to protect itself but also of the sheeple hooked to that drug. A massive circular ego stoking exercise.

I wouldn't be fucking surprised if half of them are western assets, half russian..... so easy to play the act and so easy to dupe the sheeple it's a fucking no brainer. You get "street cred" quick. And seeing how manyturncoats are in the halls of power in Russia, it's frankly a big fat joke.

Also funny is the often seen propaganda lines saying western elites are dumber or stupider than this or that nobody. Really? Who's on the back foot facing a crisis? That's when you know that brain isn't worth half of a broken nut.

Sujoy wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:There are no NATO submarines in the black sea

NATO does not have SSK there  , only turkish and they are known when they are at port or out at sea

A nation cannot enter the black sea submerged, but must enter surfaced according to Montreux convention,

Even then the straits are closed and Turkey fulfills its role as guarantor of the convention

The Kursk was also hit by a torpedo fired by a U.S submarine. A U.S submarine was not supposed to be there. NATO has not accepted that NATO army regulars are embedded with Ukrainian soldiers. We found out only when they were arrested by the Russians,

NATO SSKs could have sneaked in with or without Turkey's consent. Turkey's ability to detect submarines is abysmal.

I should have also added that a Torpedo could well have been launched by a NATO aircraft.

Russian Navy knows the range of the Neptune. Why would they on purpose keep it within its range? It is also childish to think that Moskva's search and track radars completely failed to detect the missiles and the TB 2 drone.

Furthermore, Russian airborne assets and space based assets would have picked up the Neptune the minute it was launched.

Re that mine theory one solitary mine would not have been able to sink such a massive cruiser. And when did Ukraine get the opportunity to even lay sea mines?

Hole wrote:
T-72B3M was hit by 3 AT munitions (all in the back = ambush), made it back to base, no one hurt.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:ugh
Until when do you plan to continue publishing things about Moskva?
It is not known what happened and period.
Having to read the same rumors 200 times, without any proof, is tiring.

Hole wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:According to one Ukrainian account, a Bayraktar took out the radar. Which left the vessel vulnerable to the Neptun threat.

Bullshit.  Only a fcking idiot would think that a Bayraktar would be able to engage a surface vessel 90kms from the coast without being seen and tracked from the moment it first appeared over the radar horizon. No chance a lone TB-2 could "take-out" a cruisers main surveillance radar in this manner.

If they show no footage, then there was no drone and then the whole story about the missiles is just that, a story.

flamming_python wrote:Really no evidence for 10 Ka-52 (at most 3), or 10 Su-25 (1-2 but more could have been downed over friendly territory)

JohninMK wrote:

Eugenio Argentina wrote:ugh
Until when do you plan to continue publishing things about Moskva?
It is not known what happened and period.
Having to read the same rumors 200 times, without any proof, is tiring.

You want some evidence?




Home» News»Satellite Image Pinpoints Russian Cruiser Moskva As She Burned
Satellite image shows Moskva sinking
Click to enlarge. A ship, understood to be Moskva, is seen surrounded by smaller vessels. The image is created using synthetic aperture radar (SAR) which can see through clouds. According to Russian accounts she was on fire and exploded. And sunk later while under tow.

Satellite Image Pinpoints Russian Cruiser Moskva As She Burned

Analysis of radar satellite imagery has revealed the location of the Moskva soon after she was reportedly hit by 2 missiles. The Russian Navy cruiser was the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet and is a symbolic as well as naval loss for Russia.

H I Sutton 15 Apr 2022

The Russian cruiser Moskva will go down in history. The sinking will be studied and written about, both as a single event and, likely, a key moment in the War.

The fog of war is still obscuring the event, and information operations are clouding it further. But we can look again at the open source intelligence (OSINT) picture. In particular, the ship’s movements and where she was when it happened.

Analysis of radar satellite imagery of the northern Black Sea on April 13, appears to pinpoint the stricken ship. Other vessels are seen in attendance. The location of the event can now, for the first time, be given coordinates.

A ship matching Moskva’s size and situation is seen at 45°10’43.39″N, 30°55’30.54″E. This position is east of Snake Island, 80 nautical miles from Odesa and 50 nautical miles from the Ukrainian coast. The satellite passed at 6.52pm local time. Based on analysis by multiple people, we are confident that this shows Moskva’s final hours.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/04/satellite-image-pinpoints-russian-cruiser-moskva-as-she-burned/