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    Post  Hinex1988 Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:21 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥During the day, high-precision air-based missiles destroyed 1 fuel and ammunition storage facilities near Barvenkovo and Dobropolie.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 44 military assets of Ukraine. Among them:

    ▫2 command posts and 1 locator for illumination and targeting of S-300 missile system near Avdeevka;

    ▫3 missile and artillery weapons depots near Zavgorodnee and Protopopovka;

    ▫23 areas of the Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration near Krasniy Liman, Novoselovka, Rubezhnoe, Ugledar, Popasnaya, Prishyb and Gusarovka.

    💥Missile troops and artillery hit 113 assets, including 4 command posts, 4 artillery batteries, 2 fuel depots and 103 enemy strong points and areas of manpower concentration.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 2 Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft near Fedorovka and Zavody in Kharkov Region as well as 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle near Preobrazhenskoe, Pavlograd region.

    📊In total, 136 aircraft, 471 unmanned aerial vehicles, 249 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,308 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 998 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,171 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  diabetus Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:22 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:USS stark got shit on by exocet also , and USS Cole was done in by sandal fighters

    USS stark AEGIS system failed

    We must see if Moskvas sinking was as catastrophic as Stark

    USS stark was NOT an Aegis ship it was a Perry class frigate. Its radar was shut down to enable sat comm. The Moskova incident raises some HUGE questions for the Russian navy. If it was an ammo explosion, then WTF was not learned after the Kursk incident? If it was a Neptune missile, then WTF is with the Russian CIWS systems and overall lack of situational awareness. In any case it shows massive operational shortcomings of the Russian navy in a warzone against a very weak naval and air power. If this is what happened, against a real naval power they would not stand a chance.

    And if it was a mine then bad luck.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:22 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:USS stark got shit on by exocet also , and USS Cole was done in by sandal fighters

    USS stark AEGIS system failed

    We must see if Moskvas sinking was as catastrophic as Stark

    USS stark was NOT an Aegis ship it was a Perry class frigate. Its radar was shut down to enable sat comm. The Moskova incident raises some HUGE questions for the Russian navy. If it was an ammo explosion, then WTF was not learned after the Kursk incident? If it was a Neptune missile, then WTF is with the Russian CIWS systems and overall lack of situational awareness. In any case it shows massive operational shortcomings of the Russian navy in a warzone against a very weak naval and air power. If this is what happened, against a real naval power they would not stand a chance.

    Stark carried AN/SPS 49/55, phalanx CIWS , SM1 ,

    So keep your bullshit to yourself

    If you lose such a ship to an Iraqi mirage, then the same could be said about Americans

    All navies have suffered these issues

    The Chinese have yet to try anything in Taiwan

    All others are just passive observes and should watch and take notes





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    Post  diabetus Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:23 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Satnav guided bombs have backup inertial navigation.

    Can you prove that claim ?

    GPS guidance is already expensive. Adding a inertial guidance is even more.

    https://www.navy.mil/DesktopModules/ArticleCS/Print.aspx?PortalId=1&ModuleId=724&Article=2166820#:~:text=The%20Joint%20Direct%20Attack%20Munition,global%20positioning%20system%20(GPS).
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    Post  Mir Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:29 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:USS stark got shit on by exocet also , and USS Cole was done in by sandal fighters

    USS stark AEGIS system failed

    We must see if Moskvas sinking was as catastrophic as Stark

    USS stark was NOT an Aegis ship it was a Perry class frigate. Its radar was shut down to enable sat comm. The Moskova incident raises some HUGE questions for the Russian navy. If it was an ammo explosion, then WTF was not learned after the Kursk incident? If it was a Neptune missile, then WTF is with the Russian CIWS systems and overall lack of situational awareness. In any case it shows massive operational shortcomings of the Russian navy in a warzone against a very weak naval and air power. If this is what happened, against a real naval power they would not stand a chance.

    Stark carried AN/SPS 49/55, phalanx CIWS , SM1 ,

    So keep your bullshit to yourself

    If you lose such a ship to an Iraqi mirage,  then the same could be said about Americans

    All navies have suffered these issues

    The Chinese have yet to try anything in Taiwan

    All others are just passive observes and should watch and take notes

    What kind off fucked up shit is this!? The Stark and it's sister ships were not fitted with Aegis - period!

    The Perrys were very poorly armed and to compare it to the Moskva is an insult.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:37 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:USS stark got shit on by exocet also , and USS Cole was done in by sandal fighters

    USS stark AEGIS system failed

    We must see if Moskvas sinking was as catastrophic as Stark

    USS stark was NOT an Aegis ship it was a Perry class frigate. Its radar was shut down to enable sat comm. The Moskova incident raises some HUGE questions for the Russian navy. If it was an ammo explosion, then WTF was not learned after the Kursk incident? If it was a Neptune missile, then WTF is with the Russian CIWS systems and overall lack of situational awareness. In any case it shows massive operational shortcomings of the Russian navy in a warzone against a very weak naval and air power. If this is what happened, against a real naval power they would not stand a chance.

    Stark carried AN/SPS 49/55, phalanx CIWS , SM1 ,

    So keep your bullshit to yourself

    If you lose such a ship to an Iraqi mirage,  then the same could be said about Americans

    All navies have suffered these issues

    The Chinese have yet to try anything in Taiwan

    All others are just passive observes and should watch and take notes

    What kind off fucked up shit is this!? The Stark and it's sister ships were not fitted with Aegis - period!

    The Perrys were very poorly armed and to compare it to the Moskva is an insult.

    And the moskva was not fit with Redut or phased array either

    So what do you shit yourself for

    If phalanx and sm1 did not work

    Why are you shitting yourself if Osa and Ak 630 didn't?

    1980s ship with a stupid crew end the same way
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:53 pm

    Quintana, Clark ward, Peter,, cossack gundi

    Harpoon potentially sinking moskva

    This has become a NATO Russia war

    And thats why there is talk of declaring war instead of the stupid SMO

    This is an all out war

    Belgorod and Rostov are under bombs

    So bombing Kharkov is no longer a question

    Neither is bombing the civilians population of Ukraine

    That is what war means
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    Post  Mir Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:53 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:And the moskva was not fit with Redut or phased array either

    So what do you shit yourself for

    If phalanx and sm1 did not work

    Why are you shitting yourself if Osa and Ak 630 didn't?

    1980s ship with a stupid crew end the same way

    Again not quite true/fact. The 3R41 Volna/Top Dome radar is a sea based version of the S-300's "Flap Lid" Phased Array Radar but the Moskva had only one such radar.
    Also there is still no real evidence that the Moskva was hit by any missile at all. If the theory is true that the main gun's ammo exploded than it is actually more likely that the Moskva did hit a mine as most anti-ship missiles are programmed to hit mid-ship.

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    Post  Isos Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:56 pm

    It wasn't an iraqi mirage but a Dassult falcon private jet modified for ASW. The exocet had a 40km range.

    The frigate didn't even detect the attack by such a big plane at close range.

    Even if it is way less capable than a Slava, it is a big shock for the US since that frigate class was the main class of their fleet for frigates and it was facing tupolevs that would launch missiles hundreds km away.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:01 pm

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    flamming_python wrote:...Apparently Quintana was a civilian who went to Mariupol to find his son. He was married to a Ukrainian lady. There's even a website 'help find Alexander'. Sad story this, he ended up killed like many other civilians.

    What was his son doing there?


    after Russian 152mm hit his pillbox he was ekhm everywhere !





    Azov plant....kabooom

    https://t.me/rian_ru/159064

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    Post  Mir Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:04 pm

    @ Isos

    The Perry was a very cheap design  and was actually a way for the Reagan administration to get the numbers of the US Navy up to 600 ships at the time. It was never meant to face "Backfires" etc. It's main role was to serve as an escort for cargo ships crossing the Atlantic and other seaways.

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    Post  Isos Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:08 pm

    Mir wrote:@ Isos

    The Perry was a very cheap design  and was actually a way for the Reagan administration to get the numbers of the US Navy up to 600 ships at the time. It was never meant to face "Backfires" etc. It's main role was to serve as an escort for cargo ships crossing the Atlantic and other seaways.

    Tupolevs were made to attack ships crossing the Atlantic so yeah it would have faced tupolevs.

    Tanks aren't made to face bombers but they do meet on the battlefield.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:12 pm

    diabetus wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I recall a few years ago they did test glide bombs but never really started production as I am aware due to higher costs.  As said by Hole, SVP-24 overall was cheaper as it gave about same accuracy in telling the pilot when to drop a dumb bomb onto a position before they would reach so it would calculate wind, friction, etc for the dumb bomb so in essence, it allowed the Su-24's as example to drop them at similar distances than that of glide.  Or at least presumed.

    There's no way a CCRP system like svp-24 is more accurate than a satnav guided bomb.

    It's close enough, just add extra bomb per drop

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:17 pm

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    Azov plant....kabooom

    https://t.me/rian_ru/159064
    That was a big low frequency 'thump'. That would have been felt for hundreds of meters.

    You could here it falling but now they need to fit the bomb siren as per the Stuka in WW2.

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    Post  diabetus Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:21 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Azov plant....kabooom

    https://t.me/rian_ru/159064
    That was a big low frequency 'thump'. That would have been felt for hundreds of meters.

    You could here it falling but now they need to fit the bomb siren as per the Stuka in WW2.


    Thought the idea was to not emulate Nazis though
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
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    Next Cloutier will be revealed

    I've heard Sean Penn is on his way! Shocked  What a Face

    Let him be a victim then. Sean Penn needs a reality check. If he doesn't get one soon, he may end up a victim.

    He's there to take part in Hollywood staged stunts along with Zelensky team of showmen, not in any battles
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:23 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:USS stark got shit on by exocet also , and USS Cole was done in by sandal fighters

    USS stark AEGIS system failed

    We must see if Moskvas sinking was as catastrophic as Stark

    USS stark was NOT an Aegis ship it was a Perry class frigate. Its radar was shut down to enable sat comm. The Moskova incident raises some HUGE questions for the Russian navy. If it was an ammo explosion, then WTF was not learned after the Kursk incident? If it was a Neptune missile, then WTF is with the Russian CIWS systems and overall lack of situational awareness. In any case it shows massive operational shortcomings of the Russian navy in a warzone against a very weak naval and air power. If this is what happened, against a real naval power they would not stand a chance.

    Those Bayraktars were buzzing Russian ships for a month.

    Against a real naval power the Russian navy would not be still in a big lake for that long waiting for the enemy to find a weakspot. Naval warfare is constant maneuver

    Nevertheless yes it's incompetence and raises questions, technical as well but especially leadership ones.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:28 pm

    Igor Bezler from the 1st war makes a reappearance

    https://t.me/neoficialniybezsonov/11710

    He was the commander defending Kramatorsk, at the same time Strelkov was in Slavyansk, and Mozgovoj was in the Lugansk region

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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:56 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:PS, Russia should really develop a cheap-ish PGM add-on like the U.S. Paveway series.

    Problem is, Russia (well, the USSR) kinda stuck with the un-aerodynamic M54 bomb models, optimized for internal carry.

    The low-drag M62 variants don't show up as often, and aren't ideal for such a "kit" either due to the fin layout (the "ring" in particular) and general stubbiness.

    Bit of a blunder in hindsight, apparently (?) necessitating dedicated PGMs like the KAB series. The SVP-24 "Gefest" doesn't solve this issue either, though it certainly is an upgrade over the legacy bomb computers.

    But there *has* to be some way to properly PGM-ize at least the M62 models.

    Anyway, the laser guidance add-ons for S-8 and S-13 rockets seemed very clever. Whatever happened to those?

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    Module-A and MPK

    I guess the SVP-24 system is cheaper.

    Very interesting! Paper project and mockups, or did Bazalt ever test it?

    Doesn´t matter if Bazalt tested it. The VKS is doing the tests that matter. But I doubt it. They will use dumb bombs with the help of SVP-24 where it is appropriate and use built for the purpose guided bombs when a higher accuracy is needed.

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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:00 pm

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    Somewhere in Donbass

    Just think of the saving in ammo/logistics, man effort etc if a drone and/or smart shells has been available.

    A lot of the shots look quite accurate. What we don´t know is if there were any movements around the trenches during the fighting, like attacks by the Banderites or soldiers retreating (running away).
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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:03 pm

    https://sonar21.com/russia-continues-to-grind-down-the-ukrainian-military-and-fuel-resources/
    Good analysis.

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    Post  Ispan Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:17 pm

    Various reports from the front.

    I compiled this, translated them into Spanish and thought they were worth sharing them here, translating back into English.

    Source:

    t.me/s/vysokygovorit and others

    Ukrainian pilots attack in desperate missions.

    Ukrainian pilots are almost literally kamikazes in the historical sense of the term, they are sending everything they have left and still fly to the front of Izyum, they fly close to the ground to avoid aircraft and anti-aircraft but they are shot down by portable anti-aircraft missiles fired by brave who shoot at close range from the area beaten by strafing and bombing passes. Shooters have won general admiration and call them "the detachment of lead eggs."

    "In general, of course, it is clear that as a result of the first stage of attacks on February 24, enemy aircraft were not destroyed. Some of the aircraft were moved from their home airfields and protected. After that, the pilots of the Russian aviation and air defense forces defeated the enemy in the sky. But so far, Ukrainian pilots are still flying, using jump airfields, sticking to the ground, hitting the edge of the front and turning, , but still flying. Although every day they have fewer planes that can take to the sky and ground personnel to return to the flight. Thanks to the guys with steel balls between their legs! Man-portable air defense systems in Izyum shot down only in a week 3 enemy aircraft: 2-Su-25 and 1-Su-24."

    E. Poddubny

    It is absurd nonsense to send pilots to certain death, in the wreckage of a downed Sukhoi-24 a pamphlet entitled "Guide to Overcoming Fear" was found.


    Prisoner


    "Everyone is talking about the Mariupol surrenders, but on the Izyum front prisoners are also being taken every day, from a couple to half a dozen and it is increasing as close-range infantry fighting increases."


    Ineffectiveness of NATO anti-tank missiles

    Western anti-tank weapons are not very effective. There are quite a few cases of Russian tanks being hit, sometimes more than once, without consequences. A typical example.


    "Once again, I would like to talk about the confrontation between a tank and an anti-tank missile. This T-72B3 of ours received 3 hits from LAW (or Javelin) in a night battle yesterday, after which it reached the base on its own, without losses among the crew."

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    Fighting on the Izyum front

    15 April
    It is considered that the already high intensity of military operations in our direction continues to increase.

    On the front line, artillery is constantly working, there is intense counter-battery fire in both directions, and the sounds of combat with light weapons are periodically heard.

    Yesterday (15) and the day before yesterday (14), apparently, the 93rd Uranian Mechanized Brigade was very unlucky. Only in the areas for which those we know personally are responsible, several dozen enemy soldiers were killed and captured.

    Captured Ukrainian soldiers complain that they are suffering heavy losses. We also have losses, serious battles are underway, and the enemy's combat formations are replete with artillery, anti-tank guns, and there are also no special problems with personnel, despite the fact that in some units they have suffered up to 40 percent casualties.

    There is a classic war, according to all military canons. With artillery preparation, counter-battery duel, air strikes, tank fighting, infantry fighting and special forces, with light weapons and sometimes come to the melee.

    Kharkov April 16

    In the Kharkov region, we continue to make progress.

    The border of the occupied territory of the DPR is already visible in the sky. The enemy suffers significant losses, but retains the ability to actively defend itself. The Russian artillery works continuously. The enemy responds with cluster munitions. Dozens of mobilized soldiers of the Kiev regime are now in captivity, and this is only for one day. The most sensible choice. The losses of equipment of the Ukrainian Forces are also large. Just for one day, at least 6 tanks, a dozen armored personnel carriers and other armored vehicles.

    Ukrainian zombies

    They are confirmed by data from prisoners of war that drugs are used en masse in the formations of the Kiev regime. The dead don't even realize they're being killed.

    t.me/epoddubny/9773

    Losses of Ukraine

    I read the news that Zelensky announced the number of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and amounted to 3,000 people.

    How ridiculous is this clown. I don't know how many soldiers died on other fronts, but even in the battle for Kamenka south of Izyum, 3 whole battalions a participated and were defeated.

    Corpses lie everywhere in the villages near Izyum, the forests are full of barely buried Ukrainian fighters. And I do not count those who were destroyed as a result of rocket attacks on strongpoints.

    We respect enemy soldiers more than their own authorities, any prisoner will confirm this. Yes, they are enemies, but they are soldiers. Captivity is not sweet, but their life is respected and they are treated with a normal human attitude. The Kiev regime treats its soldiers like domestic animals and sends them to slaughter without any effort, while giving monstrously false figures of losses.

    If the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were so low, we would not find such a large number of reservists from Kiev, Chernigov, Dnepropetrovsk and other regions of Ukraine among the dead and captured. I fully agree with the estimates of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the number of Ukrainian soldiers killed. They are definitely above 20,000 people

    "I haven't done anything, I didn't know anything"

    Judging by what the captured officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces tell my comrades in interrogations, the entire Ukrainian army consists of drivers, cooks, pacifists and anti-fascists.

    The Ukrainian army ranks first in the world in terms of the number of drivers and cooks per kilometer from the front, who knew nothing and did not want to fight.

    They were given tattoos in the form of swastikas by force. They didn't want to fight. They did not pick up weapons.

    The prisoners were not tortured, and they did not even think about it. There were no civilian deaths. They don't like guns.

    Who destroyed Donetsk and Lugansk for 8 years is unclear.

    Ukrainian soldiers don't give up because their bosses are deceiving them

    The first reaction of the Ukrainian soldiers taken prisoner is that they burst into tears and beg that we don't kill them. At first, we didn't understand what was happening, but now everything fits together.

    On the one hand, their commanders instill in them the idea that the Russians will kill them immediately, on the other hand, absolutely everyone has seen the videos in which the Ukrainazis humiliate and torture captured Russian soldiers.

    The synergy of these two forces leads to tears in the eyes and urine in the pants. After a while, fear turns into
    bewilderment, is it possible that the Russians will not kill them, but will not even torture them?


    Compassion with a Ukrainian wounded

    https://www.kp.ru/daily/27380.5/4574078/



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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:26 pm

    From intelslava

    🇺🇦 The military administration of Kharkov is looking for a traitor.
    According to our source in the General Staff, in the last two days alone, the Russians have destroyed several key defense installations. In particular, several commanders and dozens of personnel were killed. Ammunition depots and hidden stands of equipment were knocked out. This situation has already happened before. But then, according to our interlocutor, everyone wrote off the work of Russian UAVs. But now, the situation has repeated itself, so it was decided to look for a real traitor who leaks information to the Russian forces. As our source noted, the SBU believes that this is a fairly high-ranking figure, included in the highest circles of the regional civil-military administration

    From other telegram channels:

    The helmet of a DNR fighter after a sniper's bullet grazed it
    https://t.me/neoficialniybezsonov/11705

    Lots of POWs
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/43126

    Some Nazi memorabilia trophied at the Illich factory
    https://t.me/swodki/71030

    Ukrainian Su-24M that was a couple of days ago apparently taken out with a Verba MANPAD
    https://t.me/swodki/71383

    Ukrainian fighter with a Maxim machine-gun position
    https://t.me/swodki/71042

    Kids toys on sale in the Ukraine =(
    https://t.me/sheyhtamir/15894

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    Post  Isos Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:46 pm

    They will kill half of their staff looking for that traitor.

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    Post  Regular Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:55 pm

    For our Russian speakers, check this "intercepted call" It ended up in The Sun. pirat

    Now, Russian is not my native tongue, but wtf is this. This is clearly Ukrainian slang, not even people from Rostov speak that way.

    Does anyone fluent with Russian have a minute to confirm?

    https://twitter.com/AzovMolozensky/status/1506584636784263174

    To save time -
    0:26 "це скажу так" (Ce skazhu tak)

    1:45 "Много" (G pronounced as X)

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