Russian special military operation in Ukraine #12

Isos wrote:They will kill half of their staff looking for that traitor.

They all can be traitors. Their comms are not the best, Russia also has all of their surveillance on them, not to mention per-war preparation.

Regular wrote:For our Russian speakers, check this "intercepted call" It ended up in The Sun.

Now, Russian is not my native tongue, but wtf is this. This is clearly Ukrainian slang, not even people from Rostov speak that way.

Does anyone fluent with Russian have a minute to confirm?

https://twitter.com/AzovMolozensky/status/1506584636784263174

To save time -
0:26 "це скажу так" (Ce skazhu tak)

1:45 "Много" (G pronounced as X)

Nah. Fairly light accent. Its not what is the suspect here - I've heard people from Krasnodar speak with much thicker one.
Statements made are partly believeable, but "riding with KIAs for five days" breaks the suspention of desbelief right there.
However, most important clue is such conversation even taking place in range allowing Ukies to intercept it in such quality. Lame bullshit.

Isos wrote:

Mir wrote:@ Isos

The Perry was a very cheap design  and was actually a way for the Reagan administration to get the numbers of the US Navy up to 600 ships at the time. It was never meant to face "Backfires" etc. It's main role was to serve as an escort for cargo ships crossing the Atlantic and other seaways.

Tupolevs were made to attack ships crossing the Atlantic so yeah it would have faced tupolevs.

Tanks aren't made to face bombers but they do meet on the battlefield.

Yes but what I mean is that they were not primarily designed to protect the fleet from Tu's. As I've said their main role was to serve as an escort for cargo ships.

teh_beard wrote:
Nah. Fairly light accent. Its not what is the suspect here - I've heard people from Krasnodar speak with much thicker one.
Statements made are partly believeable, but "riding with KIAs for five days" breaks the suspention of desbelief right there.
However, most important clue is such conversation even taking place in range allowing Ukies to intercept it in such quality. Lame bullshit.

Yes, it's BS, but first time I am hearing "Russian" using "CE"... Ukraina CE Evropa... Thanks

Regular wrote:
Yes, it's BS, but first time I am hearing "Russian" using "CE"... Ukraina CE Evropa... Thanks

To my ear it was not "це" but "те", as "я те так скажу". Not rural but, say, characterisic for less educated and less disciplined in observing proper grammar of spoken language shortenting of "тебе".

Chechen forces training.

https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/1913

NATO submarine captured the Varyag in periscope view

Mir wrote:

Isos wrote:

Mir wrote:@ Isos

The Perry was a very cheap design  and was actually a way for the Reagan administration to get the numbers of the US Navy up to 600 ships at the time. It was never meant to face "Backfires" etc. It's main role was to serve as an escort for cargo ships crossing the Atlantic and other seaways.

Tupolevs were made to attack ships crossing the Atlantic so yeah it would have faced tupolevs.

Tanks aren't made to face bombers but they do meet on the battlefield.

Yes but what I mean is that they were not primarily designed to protect the fleet from Tu's. As I've said their main role was to serve as an escort for cargo ships.

And what do you think thry would protect cargo ships from ? They had a good amount of medium range missiles.

Main threats were subs and long range missiles like kh-22.

If they couldn't protect themsleves from a dassault falcon launching missiles 40km away they would have never protected any cargo ship against kh-22 launched 500km away.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

NATO submarine captured the Varyag in periscope view

Lol too high. Either a surface ship or a surfaced submarine. Nothing dangerous there.

Not confirmed but could be first image of Moskva.

PapaDragon wrote:
It's definitely Slava-class hence Moskva and at that location there's no way it was ammo fire or mine

This was missile hit

That could be a p-500 explosion too. Not clear images though. I would also wait for confirmation it comes from ukrainian propaganda twitter. Could be a fake.


From what I see S-300 not really activated. Osa are inside the ship not erected.

Isos wrote:
And what do you think thry would protect cargo ships from ? They had a good amount of medium range missiles.

Main threats were subs and long range missiles like kh-22.

If they couldn't protect themsleves from a dassault falcon launching missiles 40km away they would have never protected any cargo ship against kh-22 launched 500km away.

Exactly my point!

They never had any serious anti-air defense capabilities - but had a fairly good ASW capability. The Ticonderogas and the Burkes + the carrier air wings are the ones supposedly taking care of Kh-22's and Tu's not the Perrys so much.

A good read

From Martyanov's blog: Vladislav Shurigin Speaks To .... Russian senior marine officer. While US generals who spew BS on Russian operation in 404 continue to parade themselves as nothing more than propagandists, here is a good glimpse by Vladislav Shurigin (a famed Russia military journalist) into what is going on in reality.

Original post on VK (in Russian): https://vk.com/wall-8161590_5172

Google Translation:

White stone Mordor yesterday at 5:36 am Extremely wise on the issue of the Ukrainian war.
Vladislav Shurygin yesterday at 12:16 am

FRONT NOTES

From a conversation with a senior officer of the Black Sea Marine Corps:

about the timing of the operation.

“What are you talking about deadlines? We need to talk about something else! When we are done with Azovstal, we will have ten thousand of the best fighters in the world under arms, hardened by a month of the hardest urban battles, with which we will move on. And Ukraine will receive fifteen thousand corpses of its most stubborn and trained Nazis.
Therefore, today I do not count them dead - this makes no sense. Let's destroy everyone! Today I, first of all, take care of my fighters. Each of them is worth its weight in gold. And for "Azov" in the Russian army there are enough remote means of destruction. Calmly, methodically and without any glory for them. Urban disinfection of rats…”

About tactics

“... You don’t need to wind yourself up with the inaccessibility of Azovstal. The fact that there are shelters, autonomous life support systems and engineered defenses does not mean anything. Königsberg was no worse fortified! Have taken!
With the help of prisoners, their main lairs were revealed. We know with whom we are fighting, do we know what they have left there? They all are in the same mood as at Hitler's headquarters before the end. They're getting married to each other...
Yes, they fight, as they say, with the fury of the doomed. So they are doomed!
... Their defenses have their weak spots. The main one is that they always have to keep most of their forces underground. That is, not all one and a half thousand are engaged in defense, but, at most, a hundred - one and a half, those who are at the top. They are constantly under fire. At the same time, the ring around them is gradually shrinking, and their defenses are reduced to ruins by air strikes and heavy artillery fire. Yesterday there was a well-protected firing point, and in the morning there was a mountain of broken concrete in its place. We need to look for another position, and this is not so easy under fire. We grope for their ventilation system, main and emergency exits. I think that soon we will put into action strategic aviation with "heavy" bombs, and then things will go more cheerfully. It would be ideal to just brick them all up there. But this is already from the section of dreams. I repeat, for us now the main thing is to protect our fighters. The battle for Mariupol is over. Our city! And no one will change that. It remains, as they used to say, to crush the last pockets of resistance ... "

About prisoners

What am I experiencing? Squeamish indifference. There is no hatred. This is already used material. Each of them chose life and threw down their weapons. Everyone is now fighting for this life as best they can. All as one turned out to be drivers, clerks, cooks. Nobody wanted to fight. They betrayed everyone and left the command. I didn't see the stubborn Nazis. Most likely, they do not survive to captivity.
For us, these are now sources of information and working hands. Everyone on the way to the front line spent the night somewhere, saw something - a headquarters, a warehouse, a barracks, caches, disguised equipment. Everyone heard something from the "brothers". Now it's up to our "konriks" to get them talking. And they know their business! Note the increased number and accuracy of our missile and air strikes. They talk like they're cute! Well, and, of course, after the exchange for all of ours, all the remaining herd, and I think there will be more than one thousand of them - to construction teams and to restore everything that was destroyed. Let them plow until everything is sorted out. At the same time think about what they have done.

About war

“... There is a war going on. We tried a special operation - it did not work. They underestimated the degree of brainwashing of Ukrainians, and the real scale of Ukraine's preparation for war with Russia. They wanted bloodlessly and quickly. As a result - a huge amount of chaos and confusion in the early days. But we have mostly solved the main tasks of the first stage anyway. The offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed, all the main army groups were chained to the spot and suffered heavy losses. In most directions, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have gone on the defensive and only in a few are they trying to counterattack.
In the field, they fight poorly. Our superiority in artillery and aviation is immediately evident. They fight steadfastly where they were able to create powerful fortified areas where they can sit out underground. Near the Donbass, they have to be stormed because the fortified area is pressed against the city limits, and they are constantly hollowing out the city. In other places, I think, we will simply bypass and block them, performing the tasks of moving forward, and we will deal with them later according to all the rules of martial art.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are beginning to experience a shortage of trained personnel. All combat-ready units have been in battle for a long time and suffer losses. Professional soldiers are dying and out of action - contract soldiers and officers, who have been trained and coached for several years, including foreign instructors. Replenishment comes, practically, untrained. If for the infantry this problem can be solved by several weeks of fighting and a high percentage of losses “for study”, then it will not work to compensate for specialists - artillerymen, weapon operators, tankers with such a “form” of training. So far, it has not been possible to build a full-fledged training system in the rear - in the western regions. There is a serious problem with heavy weapons - tanks, self-propelled guns have become scarce. There are no more full-fledged mechanized units. And this means that even the slightest bit of a serious counteroffensive cannot be organized. Especially in the conditions of our complete superiority in the air ... "

Isos wrote:Not confirmed but could be first image of Moskva.

Doubt its fake and it does look like the ship was hit mid-ship - so highly likely a missile strike...very sad sight.

Vladislav Shurygin
16 abr 2022 a las 10:16
FRONTLINE NOTES

From a conversation with a senior officer of the Black Sea Marine Corps:

About the time of the operation.

"What are you all saying about deadlines? We need to talk about something else! When we finish with Azovstal, we will have ten thousand of the best fighters in the world, hardened by a month of tough urban battles, with which we will go further. And Ukraine will receive fifteen thousand corpses of its most stubborn and trained Nazis.
Therefore, today I don't count them killed - it doesn't make sense. Destroy them all! Today, first of all, I take care of my fighters. Each of them is worth its weight in gold. And for the "Azov" in the Russian army there are enough remote means of destruction. Calmly, methodically and without any glory for them. Urban disinfection of rats..."

About tactics

"…You don't need to wind yourself up with the inaccessibility of Azovstal. Just because there are shelters, autonomous life support systems, and engineered defenses doesn't mean anything. Konigsberg was no worse fortified! They took it!
With the help of prisoners, their main lairs were identified. We know who we're fighting, and we know what they've got left? They're all in the same mood as Hitler's headquarters before the end. Here they are already marrying each other...
yes, fighting, as they say, with the fury of the doomed. So after all, and doomed!
...Their defenses have their own vulnerabilities. The main thing is that they have to keep most of their forces underground all the time. That is, not all one and a half thousand are engaged in defense, but, at most, a hundred and a half, those who are at the top. They are constantly being hit by fire. At the same time, the ring around them is gradually shrinking, and their defense is being reduced to rubble by air strikes and heavy artillery fire. Yesterday there was a well-protected firing point, and in the morning there was a mountain of broken concrete in its place. We need to find another position, and it's not so easy under fire. We grope for their ventilation system, main and emergency exits. I think that soon we will launch strategic aircraft with "heavy" bombs and then things will go more fun. It would be ideal to just wall them all up there. But this is already from the section of dreams. I repeat, the main thing for us now is to protect our fighters. The battle for Mariupol is over. The city is ours! And no one can change that. It remains, as they used to say, to suppress the last pockets of resistance..."

About prisoners of war

What am I experiencing with him? Disgusted indifference. There is no hatred. This is already spent material. Each of them chose life and threw down their weapons. Everyone is now fighting for this life as best they can. They all turned out to be drivers,clerks, and cooks. No one wanted to fight. Everyone was betrayed and abandoned by the command. I didn't see any hard-nosed Nazis. Most likely, they do not live to see captivity.
For us, these are now sources of information and workers. Everyone on the way to the front line spent the night somewhere, saw something-a headquarters, a warehouse, a barracks, a cache, disguised equipment. Everyone has heard something from the "twin cities". Now it's up to our "conricks" to get them to talk. And they know their stuff! Pay attention to the increased number and accuracy of our missile and air strikes. They tell you how cute they are! Well, and, of course, after the exchange for all our people, the entire remaining herd, and I think there will be more than one thousand of them - in construction teams and for the restoration of everything that was destroyed. Let them plow until everything is sorted out. They'll also think about what they've done.

About the war

"…There is a war going on. We tried the special operation – but it didn't work out. They underestimated the degree of brainwashing of Ukrainians, and the real scale of Ukraine's preparation for war with Russia. They wanted it bloodlessly and quickly. The result is a huge amount of mess and confusion in the first few days. But we still mostly solved the main tasks of the first stage. The offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed, all the main army groups were chained to the spot and suffered heavy losses. In most areas, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have gone into a blind defense and are trying to counterattack only in a few.
In the field, they fight poorly. Our superiority in artillery and aviation is immediately evident. They fight bravely where they were able to create powerful fortified areas, where they can hide out underground. Under the Donbass, they have to be stormed because the fortified area is pressed against the city limits, and they are constantly hammering at the city. In other places, I think we will simply bypass and block them, performing tasks to move forward, and then deal with them according to all the rules of the military art.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are beginning to experience a shortage of trained personnel. All combat-ready units have been in combat for a long time and suffer losses. Professional contract soldiers and officers who have been trained and coached for several years, including foreign instructors, are killed and put out of action. Replenishment comes, practically, untrained. If for the infantry this problem is solved by several weeks of fighting and a high percentage of losses "for training", then it will not be possible to compensate artillery specialists, weapon operators, and tankers with such a "form" of training. It is not yet possible to build a full – fledged training system in the rear-in the western regions. There is a serious problem with heavy weapons-tanks and self-propelled guns have become scarce. There are no more fully-fledged mechanized formations. And this means that even a more or less serious counteroffensive will not be organized. Especially in the conditions of our complete superiority in the air..."

Mir wrote:

Isos wrote:Not confirmed but could be first image of Moskva.

Doubt its fake and it does look like the ship was hit mid-ship - so highly likely a missile strike...very sad sight.

Yep but doesn't seem that much damaged.

I guess if they recover it they can put it back into servuce fairly easily.

Isos wrote:

Mir wrote:

Isos wrote:Not confirmed but could be first image of Moskva.

Doubt its fake and it does look like the ship was hit mid-ship - so highly likely a missile strike...very sad sight.

Yep but doesn't seem that much damaged.

I guess if they recover it they can put it back into servuce fairly easily.

It sank.

From the paint colour the photos could be taken from a civilian ship? The Turkish one? Where did the pictures come from?

Shows she was afloat well into the following day in a calm sea. Interesting arcs of the water jets, only one pointing forward, wonder if there was still a firefighting team on board.

Given 12 hours of fire its origin could be well forward of its current location in the photos if it had spread back towards the stern.

diabetus wrote:

Isos wrote:

Mir wrote:

Isos wrote:Not confirmed but could be first image of Moskva.

Doubt its fake and it does look like the ship was hit mid-ship - so highly likely a missile strike...very sad sight.

Yep but doesn't seem that much damaged.

I guess if they recover it they can put it back into servuce fairly easily.

It sank.

You can rzcover sanked ships you know ?

Isos wrote:

diabetus wrote:

Isos wrote:

Mir wrote:

Isos wrote:Not confirmed but could be first image of Moskva.

Doubt its fake and it does look like the ship was hit mid-ship - so highly likely a missile strike...very sad sight.

Yep but doesn't seem that much damaged.

I guess if they recover it they can put it back into servuce fairly easily.

It sank.

You can rzcover sanked ships you know ?

What's the point for a burned out 40 year old hull?