There is the question of possible nuclear weapons on board and if there are any they will certainly at least recover those and any bodies that might have gone down with the ship. The rest will probably be blown to pieces. Can't imagine they would want to recover the ship.
The image apparently dated at 15th. or like 1 day or at least several hours after she was attacked.
Obviously twitterland picked it up as "No storm" etc.. but they're using static weather map so they might be mislead by it. One curious thing is the 3R41 radar are in "neutral position" while no sign of the OSA's operational, the launcher didnt pop out of their tubes.
So i'm still thinking it's mine rather than missile. However if it's indeed a missile we might see INS Hanit 2.0 except this time more catasthropic. Also i heard that sprinkler system onboard Moskva malfucntioned and not repaired for long time. That will complicates fire-fighting effort.
PapaDragon wrote: It's definitely Slava-class hence Moskva and at that location there's no way it was ammo fire or mine
This was missile hit (smack in the middle of CIWS coverage)
Inconclusive.
Missile ingress holes are not visible (The smoke, ash and soot makes it impossible to see anything clearly).
Judging from the black soot coming out of hull "windows", looks like the middle one/third of the ship (where the engines are) suffered from fire inside the hull.
Cause could be: - Missile hit - Internal explosion/fire (possibly from the engine compartment) - Mine - Divers with underwater drones
I cannot understand this fixation on the Moskva. The ship is lost, it would seem just logic to wait for reliable data and in the meantime focus in the big picture and the war deciding events, but for some folks speculating endlessly and feeding allislostism is the only activity worth their time. What a bunch of losers
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checked the map a while ago, is there any breakthrough anymore? I feel like we will be lucky that this war finishes within a year. Anyone have time estimates?
thegopnik wrote:checked the map a while ago, is there any breakthrough anymore? I feel like we will be lucky that this war finishes within a year. Anyone have time estimates?
Putin said that operation could go faster but they want to end this war with minimal looses. Thats why it will take longer. Its nothing wrong if it takes 2 or 3 years for final victory.
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thegopnik wrote:checked the map a while ago, is there any breakthrough anymore? I feel like we will be lucky that this war finishes within a year. Anyone have time estimates?
Why the impatience?
Russia could end the war in days, just nuke everything west of the Dnieper river, making the Ukrainian forces in Donbass starve unless food comes to them from Russia.
I am sure the civilians west of the Dnieper wouldn't like that, so the Russians go a bit slower.
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thegopnik wrote:checked the map a while ago, is there any breakthrough anymore? I feel like we will be lucky that this war finishes within a year. Anyone have time estimates?
Putin said that operation could go faster but they want to end this war with minimal looses. Thats why it will take longer. Its nothing wrong if it takes 2 or 3 years for final victory.
A well armed enemy that has been digging in for years, numbering 40,000-60,000, directed and supplied intelligence by nato, across a large front is not going to beaten in a week. Massive offensive is expected soon, we should see bigger results once it kicks off.
Also it’s not like gains haven’t been made. Izyum taken,areas south and east of it as well, other smaller places around Kharkov, Volnovakha, Mariupol (minus azovstal), most of LNR territory, Popasna looks to be almost cleared, don’t forget Kherson, Berdyansk, Melitopol earlier on , these are large areas and are firmly under control. They will break sooner or later.
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thegopnik wrote:checked the map a while ago, is there any breakthrough anymore? I feel like we will be lucky that this war finishes within a year. Anyone have time estimates?
Putin said that operation could go faster but they want to end this war with minimal looses. Thats why it will take longer. Its nothing wrong if it takes 2 or 3 years for final victory.
A well armed enemy that has been digging in for years, numbering 40,000-60,000, directed and supplied intelligence by nato, across a large front is not going to beaten in a week. Massive offensive is expected soon, we should see bigger results once it kicks off.
Also it’s not like gains haven’t been made. Izyum taken,areas south and east of it as well, other smaller places around Kharkov, Volnovakha, Mariupol (minus azovstal), most of LNR territory, Popasna looks to be almost cleared, don’t forget Kherson, Berdyansk, Melitopol earlier on , these are large areas and are firmly under control. They will break sooner or later.
Popasna, Izyum.. At this rate of gain Zelensky will get his 10 years of war that he threatens
But nevertheless the high-tempo advance will begin very shortly I feel. All preparatory work has been done it looks like. Fingers crossed
thegopnik wrote:checked the map a while ago, is there any breakthrough anymore? I feel like we will be lucky that this war finishes within a year. Anyone have time estimates?
Putin said that operation could go faster but they want to end this war with minimal looses. Thats why it will take longer. Its nothing wrong if it takes 2 or 3 years for final victory.
A well armed enemy that has been digging in for years, numbering 40,000-60,000, directed and supplied intelligence by nato, across a large front is not going to beaten in a week. Massive offensive is expected soon, we should see bigger results once it kicks off.
Also it’s not like gains haven’t been made. Izyum taken,areas south and east of it as well, other smaller places around Kharkov, Volnovakha, Mariupol (minus azovstal), most of LNR territory, Popasna looks to be almost cleared, don’t forget Kherson, Berdyansk, Melitopol earlier on , these are large areas and are firmly under control. They will break sooner or later.
Popasna, Izyum.. At this rate of gain Zelensky will get his 10 years of war that he threatens
But nevertheless the high-tempo advance will begin very shortly I feel. All preparatory work has been done it looks like. Fingers crossed
And he can have it. Slowly by then more and more territory will be taken up by LDNR and Russia, while western Ukraine will start to collapse as people will start to really blame the leadership including the west for continuing to push this conflict on.
LMFS wrote:I cannot understand this fixation on the Moskva. The ship is lost, it would seem just logic to wait for reliable data and in the meantime focus in the big picture and the war deciding events, but for some folks speculating endlessly and feeding allislostism is the only activity worth their time. What a bunch of losers
I agree. I just think it would have been better if the MoD had not lied about it and had made the situation clear immediately.
That is the source of the fixation and speculation.
LMFS wrote:I cannot understand this fixation on the Moskva. The ship is lost, it would seem just logic to wait for reliable data and in the meantime focus in the big picture and the war deciding events, but for some folks speculating endlessly and feeding allislostism is the only activity worth their time. What a bunch of losers
I agree. I just think it would have been better if the MoD had not lied about it and had made the situation clear immediately.
That is the source of the fixation and speculation.
They didn't lie, they didn't say anything untrue as far as I can tell
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Russian held territory since the commencement of the operation
Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe losses and probably an underestimate: 20,000 KIA. 15,000 WIA. 2500POW Navy destroyed Air force , whatever is left of it , flying basically suicide missions Armoured vehicle losses close to 2000
Seriously some of you are acting like babies
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zorobabel wrote:I agree. I just think it would have been better if the MoD had not lied about it and had made the situation clear immediately.
That is the source of the fixation and speculation.
I rather think the source of speculation is that some people are either 5th columnists trying to undermine the spirit of their enemy or losers that can only focus on losing (ergo 6th columnists), it happens the same with every setback, casualty, downed plane or helicopter, bombed piece of infrastructure and so on, it is beyond ridiculous. During war you will get the information the command deems appropriate when they see it fit, period, nobody gives a damn about random Joes' opinions.
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Serberus wrote:A well armed enemy that has been digging in for years, numbering 40,000-60,000, directed and supplied intelligence by nato, across a large front is not going to beaten in a week....
Apes is fancy suits and expensive rides
Any half decent traffic police would have exterminated them by now, they continue to exist because Russia is softballing this
Arkanghelsk wrote:I already predicted the war would go for 10 years
If we get 10 million dead Ukrainian Nazis on the other end I say go full 10 years
crod wrote:I assume one of the goals post this conflict is that the remainder of the Ukraine is a landlocked nation?
Yes, and whose principal exports will prostitutes and laborers. Those who are too ugly to be whores, or too weak to be laborers will need to clean toilets.
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Serberus wrote:A well armed enemy that has been digging in for years, numbering 40,000-60,000, directed and supplied intelligence by nato, across a large front is not going to beaten in a week....
Apes is fancy suits and expensive rides
Any half decent traffic police would have exterminated them by now, they continue to exist because Russia is softballing this
Arkanghelsk wrote:I already predicted the war would go for 10 years
If we get 10 million dead Ukrainian Nazis on the other end I say go full 10 years
Apes or not your views are based outside the realms of reality. In comparison, The US empire and its puppets combined, with an almost unlimited budget, a conventional military power second to none, couldn’t defeat a bunch of farmers and cave dwellers for 20 years, who also had almost no external help.
Have there been setbacks and losses? Yes Can Russia do more? Certainly and I hope they do. Are they losing and is the operation a failure so far? Most definitely not
But some of you are acting as if Banderistan is about to roll up to Moscow, it’s getting tiresome scrolling past your rants.
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