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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:28 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Flaming can you explain what a SMO is ?

    What has it achieved?

    Don't list MOD numbers , those are irrelevant to destroy thousands of VSU nazis and equipment

    When you have not done anything against the bandera idea ?

    How do you fight a Bandera state with an SMO and not declaration of full war

    You fight it by seperating the people from the state, and exposing that state for its criminality and evil

    This is being accomplished, less and less people in the Ukraine believe their leaders, and we are winning support. This is happening slower than expected, but if the Donbass falls then the pace can pick up.

    If you go in with your full army from multiple directions you do have a chance of collapsing their morale. But this would be naive. It's more likely that you'll run into a whole bunch of ambushes again and have plenty of pics of dead Russian soldiers and destroyed Russian vehicles - not good for the propaganda war.
    Thus mobilization should be initiated slowly and steadily, while advances should happen but only after all preparatory work of taking out enemy defenses is completed.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:33 pm

    LDNR artillery.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:33 pm

    Zelensky is in a way doing Russia a favour by saying only 3000 Ukrainian troops have died

    Yes it boosts morale for those stupid enough to believe it
    But destroys his credibility for those who don't, and only convince them that their leadership intends them to fight until the last Ukrainian
    It also facilitates people switching to supporting Russia, as they know the figures are bullshit but they don't know how much have truly been killed - and thus hate, sorrow hasn't had the chance to form.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:46 pm

    Knock me down with a feather Smile Next an article on fuel stocks?

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:48 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Really no evidence for 10 Ka-52 (at most 3), or 10 Su-25 (1-2 but more could have been downed over friendly territory)

    What is it, like 20 choppers tops (but 2-3 Ka-52, one Mi-28, a few Mi-8 and -24 known, only).

    Same with planes. One widely publicized Su-35S, one Su-30SM, two Su-34s, two Su-25s (and one that made it back even after a direct hit). No others I am aware of.

    Incomparable with UA losses, which are in the hundreds..

    Some choppers and aircraft were taken out on the ground too

    There was a strike early in the war against an airfield in the Belgorod region. Potentially some aircraft and helicopters taken out, there was a photo, showed some damage

    There was a strike against Kherson airbase that took out 3 choppers and damaged some others

    And there was a strike at the same time the Moskva news broke against Kherson airbase again, unknown damage

    But if the pilots are okay then ground strikes are no big deal. All the equipment can be produced again and replaced. The Ukrainians don't have that luxury. Their manned aircraft they can only get from the US and its proxies, which are running out of Soviet-era aircraft and helicopters to give the Ukraine. At this rate they'll probably start buying some old Soviet tech from Africa and Asia; whoever is prepared to sell to them. Libya, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan would be potential sources.

    The Ukrainians can get their Bayraktars and other drones replaced too and their operators are probably safe and comfy on NATO territory
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:55 pm

    I think we had photos about this earlier, this is the video.

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    Post  Ned86 Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Some choppers and aircraft were taken out on the ground too

    There was a strike early in the war against an airfield in the Belgorod region. Potentially some aircraft and helicopters taken out, there was a photo, showed some damage

    speculations
    flamming_python wrote:
    There was a strike against Kherson airbase that took out 3 choppers and damaged some others
    Also speculations...that was a former Ukraine base and some helicopters there were Ukrainian maybe


    But considering the fact how many modern Manpads ended up in Ukraine recently, we can say that Russian helicopters are doing unbelievably good.

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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:07 pm

    But considering the fact how many modern Manpads ended up in Ukraine recently, we can say that Russian helicopters are doing unbelievably good.

    I'm pretty sure that 95% of them were hidden by the soldiers in hopes to sell it on the black market. Thousands were delivered yet only 2 or 3 footage of their use online.

    Those people tried to sell military grade uranium after the fall of USSR.

    I would take a plane that goes through middle east right now. Terrorists there must have tens of them already.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:37 pm

    The military correspondent "Izvestia" showed the movement of a convoy of vehicles to Popasnaya

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    Un corresponsal militar de Izvestia estacionado en Donbass hizo una demostración de un convoy de equipo pesado ruso que se dirigía a asaltar la ciudad de Popasnaya. Así lo informó el periodista el 16 de abril.



    https://iz.ru/1321743/2022-04-16/voenkor-izvestii-pokazal-dvizhenie-kolonny-tekhniki-na-popasnuiu

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:41 pm

    Regarding the images that circulate of Tu-160 refueling with a tanker plane, I think it will be a rehearsal for the next parade.
    I don't see that planes need to be refueled, being so close to Ukraine.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:42 pm

    Ukrainians readily sold their top (USSR-inherited) missile tech to Iran, they sent mercenaries to support Ichkeria and the jihadi Caucasus Emirate, they made up most of the so-called "Russian mafia" (together with Georgians) scourge etc.

    Going back to WW2, Ukrainian Nazi collaborators were the most sadistic and opportunistic the Germans ever encountered. Post-WW2 the U.S. supported these genocidal fanatics in the hopes of sticking it to the USSR.

    Since the end of the USSR, they've been the most corrupt and dysfunctional of all CIS states. I mean, I heard a lot of this from first hand accounts.

    It is bewildering to observe the degree of whitewashing the current western PR operation has achieved, and that's *only* because Russia opposes it. Had the same stuff happened anywhere else, chances are the U.S. itself would have bombed Kiev already. But a spade is not always a spade.

    This was an anti-Russia thing, from start to finish.


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    Post  Urluber Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:45 pm

    A bit surprising to hear in western press that Rinat Akhmetov has volunteered to pay part of the war reparations which Russia will set on Lvov government as part of package of its unconditional surrender.

    He says he will rebuild Mariupol after the war.

    It's OK. Donetsk People's Republic, as a sign of cooperation, can sell him some steel from Azovstal if he needs it in rebuilding the town?

    No reason to read the s**t but I found it funny.

    Ukraine's richest man vows to rebuild besieged Mariupol

    For now, though, his Metinvest company, Ukraine's biggest steelmaker, has announced it cannot deliver its supply contracts and while his financial and industrial SCM Group is servicing its debt obligations, his private power producer DTEK "has optimised payment of its debts" in an agreement with creditors.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-richest-man-vows-rebuild-besieged-mariupol-2022-04-16/



    And on a serious note, there was nice photo report in AiF covering the history of Azovstal mega steel manufacturing plant. It's of course one of the Soviet wonders. Worth taking a look - showing how it was back in the good old days, photos from construction phase etc.

    https://aif.ru/society/gallery/gordost_sssr_metallurgicheskiy_kombinat_azovstal_skvoz_gody

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:59 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Regarding the images that circulate of Tu-160 refueling with a tanker plane, I think it will be a rehearsal for the next parade.
    I don't see that planes need to be refueled, being so close to Ukraine.

    Holding any kind of parade while this deep in the shit will be travesty of epic proportions

    Your troops in the field are undermanned and lacking air cover while you have soldiers and aircraft wasting time parading thousand miles away from the frontlines?

    If they actually go through with it it would be the final nail in credibility of Russian conventional deterrent

    I really hope they are not that dumb and delusional






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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Regarding the images that circulate of Tu-160 refueling with a tanker plane, I think it will be a rehearsal for the next parade.
    I don't see that planes need to be refueled, being so close to Ukraine.

    Holding any kind of parade while this deep in the shit will be travesty of epic proportions

    Your troops in the field are undermanned and lacking air cover while you have soldiers and aircraft wasting time parading thousand miles away from the frontlines?

    If they actually go through with it it would be the final nail in credibility of Russian conventional deterrent

    I really hope they are not that dumb and delusional



    Just imagine if they loose a tu-160 in that stupidity...

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:08 pm

    The crew of the Moskva assembled

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42827

    Looks like about 150-200 people. Let's be optimistic and say 50 or so are injured

    The full crew complement is about 480 or so

    So at most half look to have survived. A heavy blow. But they will be avenged

    This crew doesn't look too solemn though. Maybe not all of them are assembled.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:10 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Regarding the images that circulate of Tu-160 refueling with a tanker plane, I think it will be a rehearsal for the next parade.
    I don't see that planes need to be refueled, being so close to Ukraine.

    Holding any kind of parade while this deep in the shit will be travesty of epic proportions

    Your troops in the field are undermanned and lacking air cover while you have soldiers and aircraft wasting time parading thousand miles away from the frontlines?

    If they actually go through with it it would be the final nail in credibility of Russian conventional deterrent

    I really hope they are not that dumb and delusional


    Citation needed

    But yes, no need to have a parade this year. Victory has not yet been achieved.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:12 pm

    No parade, imbeciles are in over their head

    For what? It's arrogance and incompetence of highest level

    A tu160 flying close to the border, what if Ukr su27 or mig 29 pops up and shoots r27?

    This nightmare can happen after moskva anything can happen

    One cannot trust the idiots at Kremlin

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:14 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:No parade, imbeciles are in over their head

    For what? It's arrogance and incompetence of highest level

    A tu160 flying close to the border, what if Ukr su27 or mig 29 pops up and shoots r27?

    This nightmare can happen after moskva anything can happen

    One cannot trust the idiots at Kremlin

    One has to. There isn't a set of alternate leaders. But during war incompetents are replaced and talent tends to fill the ranks over time.

    And a Tu-160 is useless if you don't use it.

    Relax, more are getting ready to be built regardless

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:21 pm

    Novorussian marines (DNR) released their latest video

    Captured an intact T-64B obrz. 2017, a good Ukr tank, and took some prisoners

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42828

    That's what I like to see thumbsup

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:30 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Mandatory viewing for anyone who wants to understand the Russia-Ukraine conflict - its origins, the strategic military situation, and the impact on the global financial-economic sphere.

    Goddamn but I respect Scott Ritter.  If only Murkan "elites" had the intelligence and honesty of this guy.

    Don't be delusional.

    The desperation is so high, so palpable, people will seek appeal to authority validation from "ex" American spooks "fallen from grace" (apparently of course - you never quite leave the agency), german, british, brazilians....floridian grifters.... Anybody, anyone that can sell that sweet lie, sweetly wrapped that says "everything is going to be ok", "everything is going according to plan", "there is no reason to worry or panic", "the West are idiots", "the Russians are so smart" etc etc..... Otherwise how could you face the crises, the tension, how could possible sleep peacefully. We all know above all of it, it's just a big massive front to hide the real insecurity and fear cursing through the brain.

    It's those people, far far away from Russia's political and military apparatus that know best. Kinda funny contrasting the divide for say a guy like Strelkov... a "6th columnist", a butthurt washed up has been... all for going directly for the Kremlin jugular.

    It seems all of this has one common dominator..... for as long as the Kremlin is praised, and damaged control for, or "criticized" with soft gloves boxed in a small confine of limits to create cred validation you're ok for the hive mind. Step outside that confine and well, you'll be an outcast real quick. Not only of the Russian establishment and its propaganda apparatus which is quick to protect itself but also of the sheeple hooked to that drug. A massive circular ego stoking exercise.

    I wouldn't be fucking surprised if half of them are western assets, half russian..... so easy to play the act and so easy to dupe the sheeple it's a fucking no brainer. You get "street cred" quick. And seeing how manyturncoats are in the halls of power in Russia, it's frankly a big fat joke.

    Also funny is the often seen propaganda lines saying western elites are dumber or stupider than this or that nobody. Really? Who's on the back foot facing a crisis? That's when you know that brain isn't worth half of a broken nut.

    russia russia russia russia cheers


    Fact is both NATO's and Russia's warplans have not gone according to plan, and both of them are suffering higher losses than they anticipated, while trying to adapt to each other's tactics constantly and outsmart the other.

    But the war is going Russia's way simply by virtue of attrition. Russia was suffering considerable losses in its initial high-tempo advance so its switched tactics.
    The Ukrainians have suffered huge losses, and all the NATO mercs aren't doing much better - as Russia has plenty of artillery, air power and precision weapon superiority in the Ukraine.

    Here you can see a post from an American merc. He mentions his squad being formed of Brazilians, Brits, Japanese, Uighurs, Germans, Poles, Taiwanese, Americans, Tajiks, etc..
    But that due to not being equipped and trained properly, he and others quit before the fighting even began

    It's probably this Ukrainian 'foreign legion' outfit where they just recruit foreigners as cannon fodder, and sprinkle them in with some Islamists from Muslim countries it looks like

    But there are mercs in more serious units I'm sure.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42676




    These "Poles" are ethnic Ukrainians from Poland.


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944


    Rolling Eyes


    Having a Polish citizenship does not automatically mean you are an ethnic Pole.


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:35 pm

    From the Russian MoDs data

    The entire urban area of ​​MARIUPOL is completely cleared of the militants of the Nazi formation "Azov", foreign mercenaries and Ukrainian troops.

    The remnants of the Ukrainian group are currently completely blocked on the territory of the Azovstal metallurgical plant. Their only chance to save their lives is to voluntarily lay down their arms and surrender.

    Let me remind you that in Mariupol at the time of its encirclement on March 11 there were: the 36th separate brigade of the marines, the 109th brigade of territorial defense, the 503rd separate battalion of the marines, a company of the 53rd separate mechanized brigade, units of the 17th anti-tank brigade , Nazi formations "Azov", "Aidar", "Right Sector", units of the police and state border services, as well as foreign mercenaries.
    The total number of this group was about 8 thousand 100 people.

    During the liberation of Mariupol, 1,464 Ukrainian servicemen have already surrendered. The number of surrenderers is increasing daily. Including those who escaped from the territory of Azovstal.

    According to their testimonies, the total number of Ukrainian servicemen, Nazis and foreign mercenaries who took refuge on Azovstal does not exceed 2.5 thousand people.

    Thus, on April 16, only in MARIUPOL, the losses of the Ukrainian group amounted to more than 4,000 people.

    Well take it for what you will

    The Ukrainian side itself claimed it had 10k something fighters in Mariupol

    Also per the MoD data:

    Today, irretrievable losses amount to 23,367 people.
    Some data from Ukrainian documents about their losses, revealing the place of death and the place of burial of the dead, we will soon publish.

    Personally I think it's an underestimate as well

    There will be a lot missing and unaccounted for


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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:41 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:No parade, imbeciles are in over their head

    For what? It's arrogance and incompetence of highest level

    A tu160 flying close to the border, what if Ukr su27 or mig 29 pops up and shoots r27?

    This nightmare can happen after moskva anything can happen

    One cannot trust the idiots at Kremlin

    One has to. There isn't a set of alternate leaders. But during war incompetents are replaced and talent tends to fill the ranks over time.

    And a Tu-160 is useless if you don't use it.

    Relax, more are getting ready to be built regardless

    Does a Tu-160 have to fly near the boarders? I thought the white swan had ordinance that could be fired well out of range of opposing air defenses. Couldn't they just fly around Engels and fire their missiles? Honestly, losing a Tu-160, IMVHO, would be a much more disastrous loss than the Moskva because if Cold War 2 turns hot you are going to need Tu-160s to strike targets in Europe and the Americas.

    Now for those who want to flatten Ukrainian cities and towns because of the Ukrainian assaults that killed 7 civilians, do keep in mind that this would be exactly what Ukraine and the western disinformation machine would want. What needs to happen is an escalation of targeted bombings. All, and I mean all infrastructure, government, military and transportation infrastructure has got to be fair game and hit as often as need be to render it inopperable. Blast the RADA and Zelensky's palace. Hit their MOD, hit their TV and radio and internet facilities. Cancel rail service in that country. There should not be one rail junction or bridge left in operation. All rail yards and sidings need to be warped and twisted steel. All arms factories and repair stations need to demolished. Ukraine's industry needs to look like Flint, Michigan. Empty and useless hulks. Its spring, Ukraine has not paid its fuel bills in almost a decade. Time to shut their power down. Nobody is going to get hypothermia. Let them tweet by candlelight. Their airports? Civilian and military should be cratered. Their internet? It should be as about as dependable as AOL. Cripple the infrastructure and as much as possible build up sufficient reserves to obliterate the Nazis in the Donbass cauldron.

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Regarding the images that circulate of Tu-160 refueling with a tanker plane, I think it will be a rehearsal for the next parade.
    I don't see that planes need to be refueled, being so close to Ukraine.

    Holding any kind of parade while this deep in the shit will be travesty of epic proportions

    Your troops in the field are undermanned and lacking air cover while you have soldiers and aircraft wasting time parading thousand miles away from the frontlines?

    If they actually go through with it it would be the final nail in credibility of Russian conventional deterrent

    I really hope they are not that dumb and delusional









    The parade is to remember the millions of Soviet people that died in the war against the fascists, it should be held to remember them.

    Also it is only the idiot arm chair internet general's that think Russia is losing the war.

    The parade is on May 9th, it maybe will be remembered as the year that the Kherson Region gained independence.



    "In the Kherson region, a referendum on the creation of the "Kherson People's Republic" is being prepared - Commissioner for Human Rights of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Lyudmila Denisova:

    "According to the information of witnesses, ballots for the referendum are already being printed in the printing house of the city of Novaya Kakhovka," she said.

    According to her, the referendum will be held in early May."


    https://t.me/intelslava/25484


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