Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13

Russia should gather as much info as they can about the people being held hostage, from their free relatives, acquaintances and friends in Mariupol and outright spam every channel of communication there is about it, and about them.

Just make damn sure that it's on Azovs, or rather Zelenskys conscience, whatever happens next.

What about something like the gas used at the Moscow theater. Have medical staff on standby to save the lives of the civilians and send the nazis to their fuehrer.

mnztr wrote:
Why not just pump CO into the air vents. Its heavier then air and a pretty humane way to kill people. They can just pump away , it will displace all the oxygen.

Even CO is a chemical weapon, if it's used in a war!

Just let them starve in the tunnels. Maybe they have enough water and food, then they may not come out for 5 or 20 years. That's no problem...upstairs life goes on and downstairs they should live in eternal total war....haha X-D

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In close combat, these guys destroyed a Ukrainian tank with an RPG and opened up the positions of the rest of the enemy vehicles. In total, the APU lost 4 tanks in this battle.

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Azovstal looks like a cluster-f. Hopefully they can take it slowly with minimal casualties while allowing the bulk of forces in Mariupol to redeploy north.

sepheronx wrote:There is nothing they can do short of starting a world War and most in Europe will back down from that.

So they can have as many dreams they want. Reality will hit them hard like a brick.

Schutz ruled out NATO entry. Going to war with Russia at least for now doesn't seem like an option.

ucmvulcan wrote:What about something like the gas used at the Moscow theater.  Have medical staff on standby to save the lives of the civilians and send the nazis to their fuehrer.  

That was 20 years ago and involved a super strong aerosolized opiate-derived sedative agent, like a mist of fentanyl or so. Lots of people accidentally "OD'd" on it, it was kind of crude.

Though it has to be said, had medical staff known about it, many more would have survived, as antidotes are available and very effective. But they were unfortunately kept in the dark because of military secrets and the general mismanagement that still characterized those times, 20 years ago.

flamming_python wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-25#cite_note-ktrv_hist-2


Kh-25. Wiki says there were 25,000 Kh25s manufactured. Well, i winder how many kh-25/Kh-38/Kh-59 were in stores before Russian offensive started?

The problem with the Kh-25 is that it's a solid-fueled rocket. Many of them won't be reliable by now, the lifetime of solid-fueled rockets is roughly 30 years and these rockets went out of production in the mid-80s. Their average age by now would be around 40 years, assuming earlier stocks got used in Chechnya and Syria.

So I guess it's a case of launching 2 at each target, just to be sure

True.

How many can an Su-24 carry? 4? Might as well use them up in this conflict, but what do I know. May not even be worth the cost in fuel.

zorobabel wrote:Azovstal looks like a cluster-f. Hopefully they can take it slowly with minimal casualties while allowing the bulk of forces in Mariupol to redeploy north.

they should bomb them with everything they got 7 days non stop. Then they woould surrender.

Some gains were made today

School in Mariupol opened

More presents were found

Today's war report, it took a lot of effort to gather the info but I think the result will be informative

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/parte-de-guerra-19-04-2022-comienza-la-ofensiva-en-donbass/

Isos wrote:Is there a video of this thing ? I wonder if it is useful to bomb it since they are in  big bunker. Very unlikely bombs can do anything to them.
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Eyewitnesses report a powerful explosion in Mariupol, which was heard 100 km from the city.

It is said that a huge air bomb was dropped on the factory

If it is a nuclear bunker intended for serious protection then to achieve that it needs all its doors, vents etc shut tight. If in that state then an FAE weapon will probably have little effect on those sheltering inside.

But we know that it is probably not operating like that, it is much more likely being used as a collection of firing strong points, bit like a fort on the Maginot Line for example. As such it could well be vulnerable, at least those parts open to the air, to an FAE weapon. How vulnerable would depend on the discipline of keeping internal blast doors shut.

Clearly, if it was an FAE weapon then the Russians may have moved to the point where civilians could be unfortunate collateral damage, perhaps intending to entomb all currently inside, maybe for years. Blaming it on an unfortunate internal collapse or cracks causing water table ingress and flooding perhaps. As I understand it there are Berlin bunkers still flooded after WW2. Give compensation to any families who can prove they have members buried and walk away until they maybe rebuild the site, on a flat base, in a few years time.

Another point is that a big bomb in likely to generate a lot of concussion injury, which also may have been an intent.

Ispan wrote:Today's war report, it took a lot of effort to gather the info but I think the result will be informative

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/parte-de-guerra-19-04-2022-comienza-la-ofensiva-en-donbass/

Brilliant, thanks

Part of war 04/19/2022 - The offensive in Donbass begins
19 April, 2022 Zhukov

YESTERDAY 18 April

General situation:

The 54th day of the special operation was notable for a series of successful attacks on military installations of the Ukrainian Forces, the destruction of a logistics center in Lvov, the elimination of the Western weapons supply for a week and an unsuccessful attempt to escape from the Nazis trapped in Azovstal.

Yesterday, despite the intense bombardment of the previous night from the 17th to the 18th, this was not the offensive yet but scoring attacks, "reconnaissance by fire", and as I suspect, the "registration" of artillery, this is the correction shots prior to a bombardment, to get the range to the targets ready.

Losses of Ukraine

Recall that on Saturday, April 16, the Russian statement confirmed that the irrecoverable Ukrainian losses, that is, dead or missing or prisoners, of which there are records is 23,367. Of which only 10% have been taken prisoner, although it does not count a large number of soldiers who surrendered their weapons and were allowed to return to their homes and count as "disappeared" or "deserters" for the Ukrainian side. Assuming at least an equal number of wounded, the low-Ukrainian remain in an average of a thousand daily low, which is confirmed by the counts daily casual (today 640 low), and the count of material destroyed, that once again confirms the rule-of-thumb that for every barrel, tank, armored or artillery piece destroyed suffered 10 casualties in personnel. The total casualties are therefore more than 50,000 or 20% of the Ukrainian army. Of course, this is an average and the percentage of casualties is variable depending on the front. Thus the units trapped in the Volnovakha and Mariupol pockets are completely annihilated. On the Izyum front, there are battalions that have already suffered 40% losses.

The Russian and Donbass losses I don't even want to imagine, it's very sad to see on the Telegram channel the photos of tribute to the fallen of the Donetsk and Lugansk militia. I think that fortunately they are now much inferior to the Ukrainian ones for obvious reasons. Maybe 10,000 casualties. Of them about 3,000 dead.

Material losses as of April 19

According to the Russian statement of 10:00 hours, (the graph is from this afternoon) the losses are as follows:

During the night the missiles, rockets and artillery bombarded 1,260 targets.

In total, 140 aircraft and 487 unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed since the beginning of the special military operation.,
252 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,353 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles, 256 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,014 field artillery guns and mortars, and 2,208 units of special military vehicles.

Corrections to yesterday's report (according to Cassad's report last night and others)

Donetsk-Lugansk Sector

Maryinka. The Novorussians have taken the advanced positions and have the height of the cone of earth, the pile of rubble, but they have not been able to advance further.

However, at 19:30 the Ukrainian counterattack was denied. It seems that this time they have been definitively expelled. The Donetsk Republic published that the enemy had suffered massive losses and the surrender of the soldiers of the 2.54th mechanized battalion. 19 April, the battalion commander, Major Sergey Stets, was killed.

Avdeyevka: Under heavy shelling, "There is an apocalypse in the positions of the Ukrainian army near Donetsk, hits of some high-powered weapons reach the fortified areas, explosions thunder. The enemy fortified area of the "Anthill" in Peski is under fire," reports war correspondent Sladkov.

Popasnaya After fierce fighting, the administration building was occupied here (confirmed with photos), the dominant height and quiet position of the city, and today, on the 19th, the train depot was taken.

Given the vital importance of these two fortified positions and the determination with which the Ukrainians have defended them, that they give up positions is a symptom of weakening the defense and that the reserves, or what is left of them, are sent to shore up the northern flank of the salient, on the Izyum front.



About the importance of Popasnaya and the battle for it, see this article

https://riafan.ru/23114532-poterya_popasnoi_chrevata_katastrofoi_dlya_gruppirovki_vsu_v_donbasse

Kharkiv

No significant changes. As well as earlier battles north of the city and large-scale artillery duels destroying villages north of Kharkov and the northern outskirts of the city. In addition, the Ukrainian army is trying to bring forces to the Chuguev area to try to attack the flank of the Izyum group.

Pentagon Report (excerpts)

"Currently, the Russian Armed Forces have 76 battalion tactical groups (mixed infantry battalions reinforced with armor, tanks and artillery) on the territory of Ukraine. 11 more than last week. It continues to strengthen its position in the east and south of Ukraine. All units have been withdrawn from Kiev.

The transfer of headquarters, artillery pieces and other military materiel to Donbass continues for the upcoming offensive. Pentagon officials believe that the Russian Armed Forces will employ armored vehicles and artillery in the Donbass due to the flatter nature of the terrain.

Note: What is not accurate, Donbass is full of villages, ravines, forests, lakes and hills of mine debris, which favors defense, as happened in 2014.

The Russian capture of Mariupol will free up 12 more battalion groups for combat operations in other parts of the country. The Russian Armed Forces have learned a lesson from the offensive in Kiev. Therefore, more combat support and logistical units are being deployed in the Donbas.

The Russian Armed Forces have another 22 groups in the north of Ukraine., which are currently being re-equipped and restoring combat capability"



TODAY 19 April

Statement of the Donetsk Republic 12:00 hours

Situation in the DPR on April 19

1. Over the past day, the enemy fired 217 grenades, bombs and rockets from 122-mm e BM-21 Grad rocket launchers, 152- and 122-mm cannons, 120- and 82-mm mortars.

2. As a result of the Ukrainian aggression, 18 civilians, including a child, were injured. 23 residential buildings, two civilian infrastructure facilities and three vehicles were damaged.

3. The troops of the Donetsk People's Republic, together with the Russian army, continue to liberate the settlements of the republic from the Ukrainian invaders. Over the past day, the DPR army killed 67 Ukrainian nationalists, destroyed two armored personnel carriers, two 120 mm mortar firing positions and two cargo vehicles.

4. An infantry fighting vehicle, a 122-mm self-propelled artillery piece 2S1 "Gvozdika" and a cargo vehicle were captured.

5. Residents of Kramatorsk learned about a series of murders of civilians by Ukrainian nationalists in order to seize their vehicles. Therefore, at the exit from the city on the H20 highway in the direction of Slavyansk, the militants stopped and confiscated vehicles. When the car owner and his passengers tried to resist, they were shot at the side of the road. It is reliably known that about 23 civilians were killed by Ukrainian nationalists, the real number of victims may be much higher.

Map of the offensive in the Donbass salient


During the night a tremendous bombardment along the entire front.

"On the entire front, up to the Kherson region, there is constant artillery fire from the Russian army. According to sources on the battlefield, such artillery fire has never been recorded to date and the positions of the Ukrainian army near Barvenkovo, Liman (Izyum front), Popasnaya, Gorlovka, Avdeevka, (Lugansk-Donetsk) Gulaypole, Kurakhovo (Zaporozhe-Donetsk) are being "leveled".

Also heavy shelling of the artillery of the Russian army on the border of the Dnipropetrovsk and Kherson regions, on the right bank of the Dnieper River. The air strikes are incessant. According to the information of the Russian army, 1260 targets of the Ukrainian army were hit and that is a record so far.

The infantry of the Russian army is advancing from the Izyum region and moving in the direction of Barvenkovo and towards Slavyansk. In addition, the Russian army is advancing in the direction of Liman and Yampolya and in the area near Gulaypole and Velikaya Novoselka. No major infantry attacks were reported in other areas.

Given the powerful artillery strikes in the next one to two days, the advance of the Russian infantry in the direction of Popasnaya, Gorlovka, Avdeyevka is expected

The advance of the Russian army towards the Nikolaev area can be expected, because the Russian artillery is also "making noise" in that direction.

The goal is to pre-occupy the famous Karachun Hill (elevation; 168 meters) dfe Slavyansk, where the positions of the Ukrainian army are located. Those positions are suffering terrible blows from the Russian army, also with Iskander missiles. The position on that hill is very important and the Russian army will try to reach this column. After capturing this height, it will be much easier to attack the positions of the Ukrainian army near Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. On the other hand, the advance towards Slavyansk and Kramatorsk will go from Liman and Yampole, from where the units of the Lugansk Republic and the Russian Army will act together.»

Reports from the Izyum front

https://t.me/s/vysokygovorit

April 18 23:00 hours, mutual artillery shelling does not stop from 05:00 hours. We are conducting an offensive, heavy fighting in the area of the village of Dolgonko.

The enemy is well entrenched at this point, it is now being significantly destroyed. In response, the enemy army sends to the front a hodgepodge of material from different brigades to plug the gaps. I would not be surprised if the total losses of the enemy in our area reached the figure of 500 people.

Heavy artillery and air strikes are shelled along the front, as well as tanks and thermobaric incendiary rocket launchers are involved."

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The night battle ended with shelling of phosphorus ammunition fired by the Ukrainians on the city of Izyum. As always, an impressive vision, although it is not known why they do it. (Note: unfortunately in Donbass they are used to such incendiary ammunition shots at the civilian population, in a vain attempt to cause fires and destruction)

19 April 07:45 hours (Sasha Kots)

It is the second day of great artillery duels on our front. The roar is such that in rare moments of calm the silence becomes uncomfortable. Constantly, from Izyum our rocket launchers fire full volleys. It also fires the artillery with laser-guided high-precision Krasnopol shells. However, the enemy also shoots noticeably.

As the leaves have already sprouted, under the cover of vegetation, the attacks of patrols trying to give hand blows are increasing, and the activity of our special forces is also increasing. Fighting with light weapons has begun. In our area alone over the past week, more than a dozen anti-tank guided missile shooters and other saboteurs were taken prisoner. Many more died.

I don't know what is happening on other parts of the front, but our offensive started a long time ago and is moving slowly. Some locations are taken early, some take several days. We are slowly moving towards the administrative border of the occupied part of the Donetsk Republic.

15:00 hours

Today, the intensity of the fighting has exceeded yesterday's: the offensive is extremely active, artillery attacks do not cease, the troops are advancing towards Slavyansk on a wide front.

Fighting on the approaches to Krasny Liman: the situation at 15.00

After establishing control over the eastern bank of the Sokol River and localities, the allied forces of Russia and Lugansk began an offensive towards the the city of Krasny Liman.

On the morning of April 19, Allied forces attacked Ukrainian troops in the villages of Zarechnoye and Torskoye. By noon the enemy's resistance at Torskoye was completely eliminated, all firing positions and defense lines were destroyed.

The Ukrainians blew up a railway bridge across the Seversky Donets River, near the village of Dronovka, to slow down the advance of Russian forces.

Liman (Krasny Liman) – this is a major transport hub. Taking the city under control will allow us to develop a new offensive to the southwest in the direction of Slavyansk and to the southeast in the direction of Seversk-Severodonetsk.

20:30

Another Tochka-U missile has just been shot down by Russian air defense systems over Izyum. Their cluster munitions exploded over the city.

21:00 hours

War correspondent Yevgeny Poddubny told about the Ukrainian soldiers who were captured today.

Ukrainian soldiers reported that the Ukrainian Forces are suffering huge losses, some battalions have lost 60% of their personnel and materiel

Kiev is trying to close the holes by supplying cannon fodder to the front line in the form of recently mobilized soldiers. Those who most often give up.

Mariupol - release of hostages in Azovstal 17:00 hours

Video:

https://antimaydan.info/2022/04/bolee_120_grazhdanskih_vyshli_iz_azovstali.html

Now the repeated offers of surrender to the Nazis encircled at the Azovstal steelworks are understood, they had civilians employed as human shields in the houses adjacent to the factory. Thanks to the truce, 120 people managed to escape.

According to the released civilians:

"We survived with the last of our strength: no water, no medicine, no food. The children are small, you can see for yourselves how many people there are"

Nearby houses are no longer habitable, says one of the women: "There are a lot of houses burned down, destroyed to the groundeverything is destroyed, there is no living space in the houses. Our basement even collapsed.»

From so much sorrow that gives every account of a new Ukrainian atrocity against civilians, murders and bombings, the news of those who are saved is a joy. It is not easy to see, but the majority of the population of Mariupol has been saved. Many more would have died if the city had not been liberated.

Various videos

https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/vtoraja_faza_oficialno_nachalas_polykhaet_po_vsemu_donbassu_karty_boevykh_dejstvij_svodki_i_jurij_podoljaka_19_aprelja_26_video/60-1-0-11932

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:Is there a video of this thing ? I wonder if it is useful to bomb it since they are in  big bunker. Very unlikely bombs can do anything to them.
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Eyewitnesses report a powerful explosion in Mariupol, which was heard 100 km from the city.

It is said that a huge air bomb was dropped on the factory

If it is a nuclear bunker intended for serious protection then to achieve that it needs all its doors, vents etc shut tight. If in that state then an FAE weapon will probably have little effect on those sheltering inside.

But we know that it is probably not operating like that, it is much more likely being used as a collection of firing strong points, bit like a fort on the Maginot Line for example. As such it could well be vulnerable, at least those parts open to the air, to an FAE weapon. How vulnerable would depend on the discipline of keeping internal blast doors shut.

Clearly, if it was an FAE weapon then the Russians may have moved to the point where civilians could be unfortunate collateral damage, perhaps intending to entomb all currently inside, maybe for years. Blaming it on an unfortunate internal collapse or cracks causing water table ingress and flooding perhaps. As I understand it there are Berlin bunkers still flooded after WW2. Give compensation to any families who can prove they have members buried and walk away until they maybe rebuild the site, on a flat base, in a few years time.

Another point is that a big bomb in likely to generate a lot of concussion injury, which also may have been an intent.

According to comments, the video that was broadcast is old.
He is from Balakleya in 2017 during the explosions at ammunition depots.

mnztr wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote: US will deliver over half a dozen flights worth of security assistance to Ukraine in the next 24 hours, as part of the Biden administration’s recent $800 million package, a senior defense official says.

The planes should be shot down, for the Moskva

Part of the delivery is 18 howitzers. Russia has THOUSANDS so this is really an insult. I saw a video of a train of 30-40 Grad launchers headed west. WTF is 18 howitzers gonna do?

Just the first batch

They always do that. Send a little, see how Russia reacts, then send more

USA released a statement a week ago saying sending 18 artillery guns, and 40,000 rounds. Along with more anti tank weapons. As previously stated 18 guns isn't going to do much. The USA must have 1,000's if not 10,000's of artillery guns, but will be limited as transporting by air, but it's also signal of not wanting to send such heavy equipment.

That is BS they have HUNDREDS in Europe. They have over 200 c-17's and 50 C-5's so they could deliver 400 guns in pretty short notice. Plus they also have all kinds of ships. Germany has over 40 Panzerhaubitze 2000 in storage that they are not willing to provide? They are only sending scrap, lets be honest.

Tell me what is BS? This statement was released by USA. They might have hundreds of guns in Europe, but most likely thousands in USA that can be shipped or air transportation. And I clearly stated that it seems they aren't keen on sending artillery it seems. Although Canada now feels like sending some and USA wants to send more it seems

flamming_python wrote:

mnztr wrote:
Why not just pump CO into the air vents. Its heavier then air and a pretty humane way to kill people. They can just pump away , it will displace all the oxygen.

Hostages

I say - create more entrances and then send in the battle robots

That ridiculous. Drilling holes, getting robots etc it won't happen. At the end of the day the civilian deaths are war crimes on part of Azov who are keeping them as human shields and refused them to leave, war crimes plain and simple. These civilians will die along with Azov and mercs that's how war works. They have had ample opportunities to surrender or release civilians they refused now its time to die. Starvation, lack of air, lack of water, bullet to the head, or a baptism of thermobaric missiles it's doesn't matter they are dead. And Russia isn't to blame they did everything correctly. Time to put an end to this standoff and move on with the war. Let me hope it's concluded within 72hrs.

I wonder if these aircraft and parts was the Slovakian mig-29. As recently we have seen mig-29 being taken down by Russia and prior to that mig-29 activity was quiet until recently.

Updates

1) PentagonPresSec said just now Ukraine "have received additional aircraft and the aircraft parts to help them get more more aircraft in the air" recently.

2) A small number of Ukraine military will be trained by U.S. on how to operate the 18 Howitzers; that will happen in Europe. Biden: We will send more artillery weapons to Ukraine

3) Canada to send heavy artillery to Ukraine, Justin Trudeau says. The PM made the announcement at an event in New Brunswick today; he says more details will be provided in the coming days

4) Boris Johnson, the UK is "looking at the possibility of mounting Brimstone anti-ship missiles on technicals (a militarised pick up truck)" as part of British military support to Ukraine

5) Putin bears responsibility for 'war crimes' in Ukraine, German chancellor says

6) German Chancellor: We agreed with our partners to provide Ukraine with long-range artillery. We will continue to support Ukraine financially and militarily

7) US official: 7 planes will head to Europe within 24 hours to transport weapons to Ukraine

8 ) U.S. sees Russia carrying out "prelude" to larger, expected offensive operations in eastern Ukraine, a senior U.S. official says

9) Finland is shipping a third military aid shipment to Ukraine. No details are provided about the contents of the shipment, but equipment sent has been coordinated with Ukraine to fit their needs

10) Czech defence companies will repair Ukrainian tanks and other military vehicles that have been damaged in fighting or need servicing after long-term storage, the Czech Defence Ministry said on Tuesday

11) A hall filled with pensioners in the occupied village of Rozovka in the Zaporizhzhia Oblast voted to join the "DNR"

12) Ukraine war pushing inflation higher globally, will last 'much longer' than previously expected: IMF

13) UK plans to send Stormer AD systems. Basically a Self propelled starstreak armed with 8 missiles.

No bunker ever been designed to withstand well equipped enemies standing on the top of it.


The vents/ holes could be filled up with liquid explosive, like the ones used in the mines, and one by one blown up.

The pressure waves will clean out the tunels, killing everyone, and don't forget, every kg of explosive will generate one cubic meter of poisonous gas.

This was the strategy of the USA in the Pacific theatre.


Just fill up the bunker access tunels with cheap liquid explosive, and detonate it.


I saw a video, but I can't locate it any more.

This is a mine equipment, just to be clear how simple the process is :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GblJ8Er70T0

Apologies for being off topic but found this funny. As Ukrainians flee to Europe and UK thinking of the utopia that they always dreamed of

Ukrainian workers flee ‘modern slavery’ conditions on UK farms

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/19/ukrainian-workers-flee-modern-slavery-conditions-on-uk-farms

apologies if it was posted already, i must be like 40 pages of thread behind.

Here is some Force Z injection for you all:

RF Marine bataljon commander with the red backpack in Mariupol:



DPR armor in combat in Mariupol



Ukrainian SU-25 shot down by RF



RF and DPR troops assault and capture Ukrainian troops, Ilych, mariupol



Raising of the Victory Banner in Kherson:



More here:

https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8