Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1517456304708911104

I would assume there are some spiked rounds and booby traps in there. The would have to be extra cautious

d_taddei2 wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:So this is basically what the official plan is now in terms of Russian goals for Ukraine, taking over the blue parts (except Crimea, which is already a part of Russia).

That's a minimum. I would say it's far better to take all the key oblasts that have a y strategic and economic value. This will help the Novorussia, while depriving Ukraine of key industries making them suffer and require life support from EU, UK, USA for decades making this costly for them as a form of punishment. Odessa, and Transnistria is a done deal question is will Gagauzia follow Transnistria? I think it might.

I still don't see how taking less then the whole of Ukraine will allow them to achive their goals. It could be they take the whole thing and then split it up and announce there will be referrendums at a later date. Obviously the east will go with Russia and the West will go with EU. With the 2 referredums being held at the same time and one region saying EU, there is NO WAY the west can question their legitimacy. Any EU associated state will have to agree to neutrality and demilitrization.

d_taddei2 wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:So this is basically what the official plan is now in terms of Russian goals for Ukraine, taking over the blue parts (except Crimea, which is already a part of Russia).

That's a minimum. I would say it's far better to take all the key oblasts that have a y strategic and economic value. This will help the Novorussia, while depriving Ukraine of key industries making them suffer and require life support from EU, UK, USA for decades making this costly for them as a form of punishment. Odessa, and Transnistria is a done deal question is will Gagauzia follow Transnistria? I think it might.

the portrayed situation is indeed strategically undesired.
At least, the territory up to the red line is an favorable strategic defensive position.
The less KM's of borders to protect and you limit NATO/Ukraine's strategic options to launch any sort of effective assault.

Ukraine cant do shit, and only would serve as an battlefield as soon NATO troops dare to enter it under an forced-upon demilitarized territory by Russia.
If Kiev itself is too much hassle, let them have it. More economic burden to the EU and what is left of Ukraine to feed and maintain.

for now, i sure would not leave western Ukraine out of all the Kalibr fun.
Some blown-up NATO weapon train here.....
Merc base here and there disintegrates with all its NATO merc occupants...

Its what i call a good return on investment at deploying your single use long range weapon

TOS-1A vs Orc road-block + pillboxes 1:0

https://t.me/rgrunews/44282

Airbornewolf wrote:
the portrayed situation is indeed strategically undesired.
At least, the territory up to the red line is an favorable strategic defensive position.
The less KM's of borders to protect and you limit NATO/Ukraine's strategic options to launch any sort of effective assault.

Ukraine cant do shit, and only would serve as an battlefield as soon NATO troops dare to enter it under an forced-upon demilitarized territory by Russia.
If Kiev itself is too much hassle, let them have it. More economic burden to the EU and what is left of Ukraine to feed and maintain.

The Russian general said " the second phase of operation" AFAIK. Not the last


The red line makes sense. Yet imho easier would be to occupy the whole former Ukraine. Change regime. Split into blue (+ some more provinces)  as Novorossiya (or Just Russia) and remaining carcass as "Japan style vasal" state.

Of course referendums, Russian language as official and westenr part new edu programmes, no army, no nazi no USA.

So now there is fire also in Korolyov. After Tver and Kineshma.
That's in Moscow area and known for example hosting the mission control center of Roskosmos.

Don't want to feed the rumor mill but it's hard to believe these recent fires are pure accidents.
I doubt they are Kievan sabotage either. Kievan nazis don't have capacity to carry out this many operations. I have zero evidence but if I had to say it's most likely the American nazis. Cyber attacks overheating some machinery or similar.

If FSB finds evidence, some US research nuclear reactor should experience sudden malfunction of all safety systems.

Airbornewolf wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:So this is basically what the official plan is now in terms of Russian goals for Ukraine, taking over the blue parts (except Crimea, which is already a part of Russia).

That's a minimum. I would say it's far better to take all the key oblasts that have a y strategic and economic value. This will help the Novorussia, while depriving Ukraine of key industries making them suffer and require life support from EU, UK, USA for decades making this costly for them as a form of punishment. Odessa, and Transnistria is a done deal question is will Gagauzia follow Transnistria? I think it might.

the portrayed situation is indeed strategically undesired.
At least, the territory up to the red line is an favorable strategic defensive position.
The less KM's of borders to protect and you limit NATO/Ukraine's strategic options to launch any sort of effective assault.

Ukraine cant do shit, and only would serve as an battlefield as soon NATO troops dare to enter it under an forced-upon demilitarized territory by Russia.
If Kiev itself is too much hassle, let them have it. More economic burden to the EU and what is left of Ukraine to feed and maintain.

for now, i sure would not leave western Ukraine out of all the Kalibr fun.
Some blown-up NATO weapon train here.....
Merc base here and there disintegrates with all its NATO merc occupants...

Its what i call a good return on investment at deploying your single use long range weapon

Obviously the biggest obstacle to all this is the population. What do they want? I think the best way to play this, is referendum in each oblast on independence. From that the oblast can then decide if it wants to remain independent, form a federation with Novorussia, or the United federation of orcs. People like the idea of independence and having more control. This would weaken zelenskys control and could drastically reduce Ukraine in size.  Either way the map shown is pretty certain. And I think after this war, the newly independent regions will happily accept neutrality they will have had enough of war and forced conscription and neo Nazi's holding a gun to their head. Peace and stability is what they want. And for many it's a way to get out of the conflict and not take a side.

I think realistically the map shown will be Novorussia. The far west of the country will be orc land but still be forced to remain neutral, and by that time NATO will no longer be interested in its failed pet project. While the remaining regions Kiev, and central will for a federation that will remain totally neutral not taking any side and will just want to get on with life, trading with both Russia and EU. And although we all want a complete overthrow it's unlikely to happen but Russia will have achieved various levels of buffer zones, gained pro Russian areas including Transnistria and Gagauzia. Land locked Ukraine. Made it extremely weak, left NATO with another fail project, with a bloody nose. EU economy in tatters, and USA and UK as countries u no longer want to lead you down the garden path to another project.

https://twitter.com/Vick_top55/status/1517594274350739459/photo/1

Victor
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1/2 A poll among readers showed that only 10% believe that a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine will ensure peace. Another 10% believe that peace will last one year. So then again the war. 30% believe that even the signing of the agreement will not stop the war.

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The deputy commander of Russia's Central Military District named the goals of the second stage of the invasion of Ukraine:

- establishing a control over the Donbas;
- land corridor to Crimea;
- establishing a control over the southern Ukraine and land corridor to Transnistria

franco wrote:https://twitter.com/Vick_top55/status/1517594274350739459/photo/1

Victor
@Vick_top55
1/2 A poll among readers showed that only 10% believe that a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine will ensure peace.  Another 10% believe that peace will last one year.  So then again the war.  30% believe that even the signing of the agreement will not stop the war.

The stakes for all involved are way too high in this game.

Its an sort of open war between NATO and Russia.
The only thing not involved here are the NATO combat unit themselves.

Now NATO is panicking, ran out of their own munitions, its factory's can not keep up and "promises" former soviet states new NATO weaponry if they ditch their equipment to Kiev.
So..... i guess the Russians are grinding NATO'S Millitary Industrial Complex and Ukraine to pieces at the same time.

Like papadragon posted before...

Hole wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russian MoD says that they cruise missiled a concentration of UA reinforcements east of Dnipro, by the railway yard of Melioratyvne.

They say hundreds were killed.

That´s why they don´t bomb every bridge across the Dnjepr.

Yup. Infection needs to be drawn from the wound before stitching it up. Let the Kiev regime rally whatever Orcs they can raise. Russia will hit their staging areas and transport nodes and send them shrieking to Hell.

Airbornewolf wrote:

franco wrote:https://twitter.com/Vick_top55/status/1517594274350739459/photo/1

Victor
@Vick_top55
1/2 A poll among readers showed that only 10% believe that a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine will ensure peace.  Another 10% believe that peace will last one year.  So then again the war.  30% believe that even the signing of the agreement will not stop the war.

The stakes for all involved are way too high in this game.

Its an sort of open war between NATO and Russia.
The only thing not involved here are the NATO combat unit themselves.

Now NATO is panicking, ran out of their own munitions, its factory's can not keep up and "promises" former soviet states new NATO weaponry if they ditch their equipment to Kiev.
So..... i guess the Russians are grinding NATO'S Millitary Industrial Complex and Ukraine to pieces at the same time.

Like papadragon posted before...

The intent was to allow the Ukrainians to "rope a dope" the Russians and wear them out for NATO... Russian leadership clued in and now

Russian tankers in Mariupol are clearly feeling pretty good these days... YEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They can also do a seperate referrendum for the Hungarian portion and allow it to join Hungary as a big thank you to Orban for not being a EU jack ass.

franco wrote:[

The intent was to allow the Ukrainians to "rope a dope" the Russians and wear them out for NATO... Russian leadership clued in and now

Hmm they tried rope a dope and roped a bear instead. Rather unfortunate.

Maybe Putin should ask Scholtz if he wants half of Poland

mnztr wrote:Maybe Putin should ask Scholtz if he wants half of Poland  

For the best effect, this would have to be done publicly!

One of the tasks is to establish full control over the Donbass and Southern Ukraine, this will allow creating a land corridor to Crimea and another exit to Transnistria, Major General Rustam Minnekaev, Deputy Commander of the Central Military District, said. READ THIS MANY TIMES; RTN, FUCKTARDCUB, LIMB, etc.

The amusing thing is that if the Ukrainian army had just withdrawn from the donbass then the only legitimate action Russia could have taken would have been to recognise the independence of the eastern most states... Donbass and Lugansk... but now because of resistance they can justify liberating more territory and solving other problems that would otherwise remain a problem.

The US is so stupid... but then they are getting exactly what they wanted... the EU is likely to start buying their gas.

Their problem of course is that the price of gas is so high even if the EU stopped buying any Russian gas (which they can't) the higher price means they would still be making good money.

Isolate and contain my back side.

The question is, who's blood will that be on? Enemy leadership or the leadership in the Kremlin, that, capable of eliminating the threat, allows it to survive, plot and scheme, then turn around and cry about it. Homework for the dimwitts.

Its proven track record of doing the wrong thing and making terrible mistakes, suggests taking out the leadership in Kiev is the last thing they should do... just like interfering in US elections is not necessary... Russia doesn't need to break the west... the west is intent on breaking itself... why would Russia try to stop them in either case?

Commenting on the position of India, which refused to join the anti-Russian sanctions, the British prime minister said that he respects the point of view of New Delhi, although he does not share it. "The position of India towards Russia is historically well known. They are not going to change it, it's true," Johnson admitted.

Hahaha... so he admits there is no chance of changing Indias idea about the war but he thinks a few more tanks will turn the tide of battle and make the Russians stop attacking?

What a dick.

Putin has already laid out what he wants to stop the conflict... the Minsk agreements were a massive hint too, but now Russian forces have had to be mobilised and are fighting nazis what he wants to stop is not going to be the same as it was before because Russia has paid a price so now the requirements are going to increase.

Sanctions to make oil and gas exports more profitable, and sending obsolete equipment into combat so Russia can destroy it is not going to change things.

But that sounds pretty normal for Bojo... he has never been an effective leader.

Exactly as I predicted before by the way the conflict is configuring. The need for hardware and financial resources is becoming unsustainable. See that 13 billion dollars were approved and they are already sold out. Meanwhile, Russia has a current account surplus. There will be no shortage of resources. It's the black hole expanding.

The irony is that this was supposed to bleed Russia dry but it seems to be bleeding HATO dry of obsolete stocks of old equipment... they keep blabbering on about Russia running out of weapons and China potentially supplying them with more... western defence budgets are going to have to massively increase to produce enough weapons to fight a war let alone have material in stores to continue past the first few days of a new war.

Also, no, kolovrat (Ladinets) is OK in Russia. Even older people sport it as lucky charm.

Looks to me like a Shurikan (ie ninja star) design... certainly not a nazi symbol I have ever seen them use.

Did you know that there was an attempt to ban the OK symbol... ie you make a circle with your thumb and forefinger and have your other three fingers sticking out... it was supposed to represent white supremacy or some such rubbish... it is a western recognised hand gesture indicating you are OK...

I am sure this is wrong and no warships, regardless of home port, are allowed through. I remember at the time Russia officially accepting this.

Note that no Black Sea home ported ships now based in Tartus have gone home.

I doubt they would want to transfer ships in either direction... they send in the ships they wanted there... there is nothing in the rest of their fleet that would benefit from going in there... they have enough ships and subs in the Black Sea already and the ones in Tartus are supposed to be in the Med... that hasn't changed because this war started.

Calibrs can be launched from torpedo tubes as well as UKSK launch tubes and they have plenty of both... even ships in the Caspian Sea could launch missiles towards the Ukraine and hit many targets there... these are 2,500km range missiles and from the caspian sea they could fly high and slow in a very efficient flight mode to maximise range because they will be flying over Russian territory...

Have there been any meaningful analysis during this particular war regarding combined arms operations? It has been about 2 decades since the world saw a large combined arms operation like this... Or nothing new to say?

Pretty sure they are carefully looking at what is working and what isn't working all the time but they are unlikely to talk about that because that sort of information would be valuable to the nazis and orcs.

Modern mobile air defences are difficult to deal with... as the west found out in Kosovo 20 odd years ago and they didn't really have anything as mobile or dangerous as BUK or S-300, and they certainly didn't have any superpowers sending in anti armour and anti aircraft man portable missiles.

PS: Isn't it illegal for US citizens affiliated with military & intelligence to sign up to a foreign nation army and fight their war?

They will say their laws cannot be applied in a foreign country... when it suits them of course.

Depends, are these weapons going to the terrorists in Syria? They most likely are.

They don't sound to be very effective anyway... perhaps the IRA will buy some and start playing with European air traffic...

This is a question for after the war but how much will it cost Russia, if it wants to rebuild the parts that Russia takes?

It could do what the EU does and offer loans to rebuild the country so the country gets rebuilt but Russia doesn't have to pay for a situation the west has created.

Maybe if the west turns the 300 billion in frozen Russian assets into stolen assets to pay for the repair of western Ukraine then Russia can seize 600 billion in western assets and use them to rebuild the friendly and neutral parts of the Ukraine and also fund war veterans orgs and pensions and support for injured Ukrainians and Russians.

Also what happens to Gas pipeline going through Ukraine after 2024, is it going to be shut off?

But the EU wont be buying any Russian gas by this time next year so they can probably shut it down and just use south stream for the tiny amounts some countries will be buying...

They literally taught Ukrainians to fight the way they fight. And now we are faced with such a catastrophic defeat. This is even worse than the situation in Georgia in 2008. This is a combined arms operation that shows that the level of training and combat effectiveness of the Russian army now exceeds anything they could even imagine.

And to compound that the Russians are constantly looking at their own results and evaluating and modifying their methods and tactics so they will have a much better idea of how to deal with HATO type forces than ever before.

The main different with a war against HATO would be that HATO has a fraction of ground based air defence systems because their air defence is all air power based, so fighting Russia the Russian air power is certainly at a disadvantage due to lack of numbers but how can HATO use its numerical advantage when Russia has Army and Air Force air defence ground based systems that are so effective even Israel wont fly over Syria... how can HATO dominate at battlefield it can't fly over? At any altitude.

Every TOR and Pantsir and BUK are a serious threat to any western aircraft... and how many does Russia have?

HATO would use up its entire stock of standoff weapons just dealing with any one type of SAM the Russians have... and SOSNA is arriving that is cheap and easy to mass produce and very effective.

However for the Russian sector , the water for agriculture and drinking water , could be stopped by Ukraine ? If they built Dams on Dnieper River ? Or divert the River ? Is such a thing possible ? If so , then this will provide an existential threat for Russian sector . In this case , then the entire land East of River , should come under Russian control . And Odessa , could be left as Ukrainian port , allowing free trade , instead of relying on Poland ! Ukraine becoming part of Black Sea economy , instead of a Vassal state to Europe ?

The purpose is land access to Transnistria in Moldova... Lots of countries don't have access to the sea...

PS surprised that UA didn't blow up the HUGE Balakliya ammunition depot when they retreated. Now it's in RU/LDNR hands.

Granted, lots of the stock is quite old, and some blew up in a fire (probably arson, to cover up illegal selling) a few years ago. But still, huge depot and at least some of it can be put to use.

Would very carefully search through that to make sure there are no slow fuses burning....

In fact if it is old just burn it down anyway...

Not worth the risk.

Cheap battlefield taxi. Same firepower as the BTR-82A. Maybe they could add some extra protection in a second upgrade.

Rail and a bit of spaced armour panels would suffice to make it safe from 50 cal HMG rounds... and some rockets.

Add too much weight and you need to replace the engine and transmission and new suspension and road wheels and pretty soon it isn't a cheap upgrade any more... not to mention you lose the ability to float...

Improved day night and all weather optics and the fire power of the 30mm cannon are serious improvements already.

Now NATO is panicking, ran out of their own munitions, its factory's can not keep up and "promises" former soviet states new NATO weaponry if they ditch their equipment to Kiev.
So..... i guess the Russians are grinding NATO'S Millitary Industrial Complex and Ukraine to pieces at the same time.

And they don't make old weapons, they make new expensive ones so the cost for HATO countries is going to be a big increase in their defence budgets, because they also want to mobilise and rearm too... price of material increasing and inflation and covid costs and all that borrowing... talk about belt tightening.

par far wrote:The clown is fucked.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/44372

Ofc he is fucked, but this is fake Let's not get down to their level.

Urluber wrote:So now there is fire also in Korolyov. After Tver and Kineshma.
That's in Moscow area and known for example hosting the mission control center of Roskosmos.

Don't want to feed the rumor mill but it's hard to believe these recent fires are pure accidents.
I doubt they are Kievan sabotage either. Kievan nazis don't have capacity to carry out this many operations. I have zero evidence but if I had to say it's most likely the American nazis. Cyber attacks overheating some machinery or similar.

If FSB finds evidence, some US research nuclear reactor should experience sudden malfunction of all safety systems.

Could be SBU, starting a fire is not so hard, knowing that Russia is not even on high alert (still)

But fire in buildings is not the same as Kalibrs hitting their HQs... It's not tit for tat.

d_taddei2 wrote:
That's a minimum. I would say it's far better to take all the key oblasts that have any strategic and economic value. This will help the Novorussia, while depriving Ukraine of key industries making them suffer and require life support from EU, UK, USA for decades making this costly for them as a form of punishment. Odessa, and Transnistria is a done deal question is will Gagauzia follow Transnistria? I think it might.

Russia can't just take oblasts, they need the approval of the vast majority of the oblast citizens by referendum, that they want to be involved with Russia, or independent, or remain part of Ukraine.

It's getting more interesting now, I look forward to seeing the third phase . Will it be a scene in Kiev's bunker with the killer clown? kinda remake of 45?

The Federation Council supported the idea of ​​creating the Tauride Territory

Tsekov supported the idea of ​​the Tauride region from the Crimea, Kherson and part of the Zaporozhye regions

https://ria.ru/20220422/tavriya-1784947797.html





Are they a legit target for calibration?

https://ria.ru/20220423/lvov-1785039344.html

Source: Britain sent sabotage specialists near Lvov

Britain sent SAS sabotage specialists near Lviv to the location of the air brigade of the Armed Forces

KHERSON, April 23 - RIA Novosti. At least two groups of about 20 specialists in sabotage and guerrilla warfare from the Special Air Service of Great Britain (Special Air Service - SAS) were abandoned in the Lviv region - at the location of the air brigade of the army aviation of the armed forces of Ukraine, an employee of the Russian law enforcement agencies told RIA Novosti with reference on information received from sources in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
"According to information received from sources in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at least two groups of military personnel were deployed to the settlement of Brody, Lviv region, on the territory of the 16th separate brigade of the army aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the city of Hereford in the UK, where the headquarters of the SAS is located. Composition one group - about 8-10 people," the source said.

He clarified that we are talking about specialists in the field of sabotage and partisan activities, as well as in the field of recruiting and training agents to work in hostile territory.