Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

klahtinen wrote:Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?

If the Ukrainians were clever the conflict would not have started, Zelenesky wouldn't be the leader, Kolomoyskyi would be buried, NATO would have been kept out, and there would be no Azov Nazis. Based on that track record, I doubt they are capable of a clever counter-attack, even with the US pulling the strings.

They overflew Iran, and those strikes must have been at some 750-800km range at least, which is farther than what Wikipedia claims is the max range (660km) of the base version.

From the coast of Kalmykia to Krivoy Rog it's 1100km.

Hahahahaha... Calibr is based on the Granat torpedo tube launched subsonic long range cruise missile from the 1980s.... it is the Soviet Navys long range cruise missile... 3,000km range with a nuke warhead... no terminal guidance so accuracy levels of 200m or so means nuke warhead is necessary. The current models of Calibr based on upgraded versions of the old missile but with terminal guidance used on the Kh-101 means a conventional and nuclear armed model is available... 2,500km for conventional model because its warhead is rather heavier than the nuke warhead of the 3K km range model which offsets its fuel load and reduces flight range.

(Note Granat is not related to Granit the 7.5 ton supersonic missiles of the Kuznetsov and Orlan class ships and Oscar class SSGNs.)

Export models have 300-400km range because of export rules... depending on the customer of course.

The standard widely used calibre is a 533mm calibre missile similar to the air launched Kh-55, which has a range of 2,500km in the standard model and 3,000km with the Kh-55SM version with saddle tanks. The Kh-555 has the saddle tanks and the terminal guidance of the Kh-101 so it has a conventional warhead too.

There is a new version of Calibr being designed to fill out the  UKSK launch tube so it is increased in calibre and length (750mm instead of 533mm and 7.4m long instead of 6m long) to match the Kh-101/102 in size and performance.... so flight range is 4,500km for the conventionally armed model.

Reportedly the land attack Kalibrs are upwards to 1,500km while antiship is a few hundred km's

The range of the anti ship missile is unknown... the export model has a range of 300km but is limited by export agreements, if the Russian one had such a short range why use it when Onyx has much better range than that and moves more than two times faster...

The subsonic anti ship model of Calibre with the supersonic rocket powered terminal section missile would be a terrible waste of time and money if it only had a range of 600km or less... the whole point of the subsonic first stage is to achieve enormous range with an efficient turbofan motor.

Post by analyst Tom Cooper.

Coop is seriously Russophobic...

Interesting is the time delay.
If you will watch the full film, there is A LOT of time before bombs detonate.
And the bombs do not look like a runway/bunker busters

When there is more soil than concrete and it is trenches rather than deep bunkers you are dealing with then a delay and a tail fuse means the bombs get into a decent amount of dirt before the go boom, and also eliminates the risk of a nose mounted fuse being sheered off and failing to go boom.

Este man garriebee nos ha faltado el respeto, es un tronko real.

Your sun just set brother... posting things in foreign languages without translation is against the rules as this is an English language forum.

Disrespecting Admin gives you a nice break though... a month.

In any case, that Su-24 was horribly vulnerable to AA fire. This bombing is straight out of WW2. Why would it need to bomb so low when it has the SVP-24?

If it is moving at 700km/h plus AA fire would be difficult, especially at night as the sound of the aircraft would compress so it would appear suddenly and rapidly disappear for those not expecting it...

Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?

So newspapers in Finland are making public Kievs plans for secret and surprise attacks... that sounds like the sort of things newspapers all round the world would not do... imagine D Day thwarted by the Germans because they heard the date and time for the attack and were able to repel it.

Or is it a bluff to try to get the Russians to concentrate their forces somewhere where they are not needed?

Who knows... who cares... it is probably just a win for the Orcs and a loss for the Russians that Finland newspapers can crow about... make believe is fun like that.

And it's not about who's right and who's wrong, and who's to blame for the war. It's about what to do now.

He has influence in a large section of the west and the third world.... screw the west, but in the third world it would be useful for Russia to win some hearts and minds... but not at the expense of anything serious of course.

limb wrote:
In any case, that Su-24 was horribly vulnerable to AA fire. This bombing is straight out of WW2. Why would it need to bomb so low when it has the SVP-24?

As far as I know no Su-24's have been lost on the Russian side so far? If I'm not mistaken the strike took place during the night which would make it very hard for optical AA's to spot at such low level anyway.

So "if the Ucrainians would have been clever" addresses to the 300 years of struggle more than post-2014. We must keep that in mind.

But to be clear only a tiny minority of radicals want Russians dead and to grow bio weapons and make nukes to do it...

Most Orcs probably wanted to join EU and HATO for the money and feeling of financial security... I doubt they felt Russia would invade and without this nazi bullshit and bio weapons and nukes and the fact that Kiev was going to start a war anyway they probably would not have invaded at all.

klahtinen wrote:Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?

Everyone else already answered but I'll chip in as well:

You need troops, tanks, artillery and aircraft for counterattack, clever or otherwise

And you need a lot of it

Does Ukraine look like it has any of those?

Also, Ukraine has been acting opposite of clever for a very long time

GarryB wrote:

So "if the Ucrainians would have been clever" addresses to the 300 years of struggle more than post-2014. We must keep that in mind.

But to be clear only a tiny minority of radicals want Russians dead and to grow bio weapons and make nukes to do it...

Most Orcs probably wanted to join EU and HATO for the money and feeling of financial security... I doubt they felt Russia would invade and without this nazi bullshit and bio weapons and nukes and the fact that Kiev was going to start a war anyway they probably would not have invaded at all.

Exactly, Ukraine's problems started 24 August 1991,  and have been a long string of bad leadership decisions since then, that let the money devils take hold, culminating in the 2014 coup,  which started the shelling of eastern Ukrainian citizens. Russia is trying to perform an exorcism, but it's going to take a lot more than killing minions.

Sujoy wrote:Some sections of the Western leadership beginning to accept the truth

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1521710729451159554?s=20&t=Y07LeWXTW-KcA9zgTwCXiQ

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Vatican has been increasingly irrelevant for very long time now and Catholicism has been going extinct across the whole Europe

Decade ago Ireland was 90% hardcore Catholic but today well over half of them are atheist and number keeps rising

I don't need to tell you what Catholicism used to be in Ireland

It's similar in other countries

Had they spent less time trying to convert already Christian East Europe into Catholicism and more looking after their own backyard maybe today they wouldn't be on their way out

sundoesntrise wrote:Bruvs what happened to posters like atlascub and miketheterrible? Did they get papadragon-ed?

Especially atlascub was one of the few reasons to visit this board. Even sometimes based schizo (((flaming python))) has become quiter. A flip-flopper as he is, at least he was able to think for himself and get to new insights on his own. Now it's just non stop regurgitated BS from pro bono Kremlin mouthpieces

You're free to   off back to F-16.net to get your pro bono Banderite hit pieces

Belgorod

sepheronx wrote:... I'm genuinely curious and will ask this question to all western based, backed or pro western members here - Mr.hd, rtm, etc.  - do you guys really believe what is being said or written to you? ....
I mean, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice?

Well, I myself have not believed more than a third, but looks like I should go down to less than 10%. Thanks to this great forum and Telegram channels I can also get another view to the events in Ukraine. Finnish media has gone totally to the propaganda mode.

Some system used to jam "ukrainian" TV and show russian made programms instead.

Western "experts" after seeing the next pic

Must be deep fake. We all know that Shoigu had at least 8 heart attacks and 7 strokes while Gerassimov was at least killed once in Izyum.

Hole wrote:
Western "experts" after seeing the next pic

Must be deep fake. We all know that Shoigu had at least 8 heart attacks and 7 strokes while Gerassimov was at least killed once in Izyum.  

I thought the Ukes had decapitated the entire Russian military and that Shoigu was planning a coup. One hears all sorts of bull in the American press, and any more I just laugh.

Nice summary from Geroman

That's clearly a photoshop made by Putin in his bunker in the Urals.

Gerasimov was said to have lost his legs.