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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
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PhSt wrote:Arrow wrote:There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.
Was just wondering, why don't Ukraine breach the Russian border since they are already at war anyway, perhaps such move would win the Ukrops more approval points from their NATzO handlers.
My God, this tactic has been used day after day since the very beginning of hostilities, but every time there is someone who has not yet reached. Kharkiv is a big city populated by civilians. The conduct of hostilities in Kharkiv is a catastrophe and tens of thousands of civilian casualties. Therefore, Russian troops are moving away from the city limits in order to lure Ukrainian troops out of urban development and impose a battle on them outside the urban development zone. To avoid a large number of civilian casualties.
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Now they use the good stuff.
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Scorpius wrote:PhSt wrote:Arrow wrote:There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.
Was just wondering, why don't Ukraine breach the Russian border since they are already at war anyway, perhaps such move would win the Ukrops more approval points from their NATzO handlers.
My God, this tactic has been used day after day since the very beginning of hostilities, but every time there is someone who has not yet reached. Kharkiv is a big city populated by civilians. The conduct of hostilities in Kharkiv is a catastrophe and tens of thousands of civilian casualties. Therefore, Russian troops are moving away from the city limits in order to lure Ukrainian troops out of urban development and impose a battle on them outside the urban development zone. To avoid a large number of civilian casualties.
Donbass is the key. As soon as the area is liberated (or the remaining Nazi forces surrounded) the Russian Army can move west towards Dnjepropetrovsk and north to cut off Kharkov. This move is easier then to surround the whole city area from the northern direction.
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JohninMK wrote:Arrow wrote:There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.
The more they are drawn out from the city, and as they keep advancing more will have to come out to protect ever lengthening flanks, the more over confident they become.
The end result being that they are much more vulnerable to counterattack in the countryside with fewer left behind to protect Kharkiv. We can almost hear Moscow saying "just a few km more, please'
Feints and feigned retreats are the steppe bread and butter. The Russians have an intact logistics network just bursting with diesel and iron so repositioning is practically a free action. Russian formations can dance around, unload combat power in one sector, disengage, and then reappear in another sector, having regrouped and rearmed in transit, rinse and repeat.
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UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...
https://t.me/milinfolive/83024
https://t.me/milinfolive/83024
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Saw this on Tel channels, ppl like pictures
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Saw this on Tel channels, ppl like pictures
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ALAMO wrote:No more Bayraktars!
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Pro Ukrainian Channel :
Our source in the OP said that in the last two weeks we have lost more Bayraktar TB2s than in the entire war. The failure of the operation to storm the Snake Island and unsuccessful flights to military facilities in Russia cost us 50 TB2s
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JohninMK wrote:ALAMO wrote:No more Bayraktars!
Levi
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Pro Ukrainian Channel :
Our source in the OP said that in the last two weeks we have lost more Bayraktar TB2s than in the entire war. The failure of the operation to storm the Snake Island and unsuccessful flights to military facilities in Russia cost us 50 TB2s
Why do they care? Free is free.
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In Kharkiv front Russian positions are collapsing, it is not orderly tactic. Ukrainian forces there are changing power balance and are successfully and systematically pushing and clearing more area for days now. Russian forces there are among the most tin overall and if Ukraine is able to expel Russians there this will have negative implications also for Donbass front on long run since that will be next area were extra soldiers will come on Ukrainian side.
All in all there are signs that Russians are needed thousand more soldiers if they want to consolidate already taken territory and for any bigger push those numbers are rising into huge category.
In the meantime Ukraine is achieving parity in heavy weapons on the ground - they already have more tanks compared to russian deployed numbers - first time since war started (one reason was Polish donations of 200+ tanks among other things).
All in all long term prospects for Russia in Ukraine are not good at all, if Russia is not able to finish conflict quickly long term prospects are grim - that is reality.
All in all there are signs that Russians are needed thousand more soldiers if they want to consolidate already taken territory and for any bigger push those numbers are rising into huge category.
In the meantime Ukraine is achieving parity in heavy weapons on the ground - they already have more tanks compared to russian deployed numbers - first time since war started (one reason was Polish donations of 200+ tanks among other things).
All in all long term prospects for Russia in Ukraine are not good at all, if Russia is not able to finish conflict quickly long term prospects are grim - that is reality.
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mnztr wrote:Comparing French Caesar "SPG" (What the Ukes are getting) to Korean K9 SPG in shoot and scoot.
Sorry, but it's kinda meh compared to this
Even this system wouldn't change the outcome
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
caveat emptor Tue May 10, 2022 12:52 pm
This is some 50+ km from closest frontline. Unless they have an S-300 nearby, they can't shoot it down, as other systems don't have range. Buk M3 is only seen on Izyum direction. Others like S-350 or S-400 are not stationed in Ukraine to begin with.diabetus wrote:UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...
https://t.me/milinfolive/83024
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
ucmvulcan Tue May 10, 2022 12:53 pm
mr_hd wrote:In Kharkiv front Russian positions are collapsing, it is not orderly tactic. Ukrainian forces there are changing power balance and are successfully and systematically pushing and clearing more area for days now. Russian forces there are among the most tin overall and if Ukraine is able to expel Russians there this will have negative implications also for Donbass front on long run since that will be next area were extra soldiers will come on Ukrainian side.
All in all there are signs that Russians are needed thousand more soldiers if they want to consolidate already taken territory and for any bigger push those numbers are rising into huge category.
In the meantime Ukraine is achieving parity in heavy weapons on the ground - they already have more tanks compared to russian deployed numbers - first time since war started (one reason was Polish donations of 200+ tanks among other things).
All in all long term prospects for Russia in Ukraine are not good at all, if Russia is not able to finish conflict quickly long term prospects are grim - that is reality.
Source?
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caveat emptor wrote:This is some 50+ km from closest frontline. Unless they have an S-300 nearby, they can't shoot it down, as other systems don't have range. Buk M3 is only seen on Izyum direction. Others like S-350 or S-400 are not stationed in Ukraine to begin with.diabetus wrote:UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...
https://t.me/milinfolive/83024
It shows yet again that 24 hour CAP and AWACS coverage is mandatory.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
caveat emptor Tue May 10, 2022 12:56 pm
One thing i dislike is that northeastern spur came to close to Vovchansk, which is one of the main supply routes for Izyum sector. It is within arty range atm.Arrow wrote:There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Belisarius Tue May 10, 2022 1:00 pm
diabetus wrote:UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...
https://t.me/milinfolive/83024
Ukrainian Air Force MiG-29 fighter shot down near Severodonetsk
https://topwar.ru/196040-v-rajone-severodonecka-sbit-istrebitel-mig-29-vvs-ukrainy.html
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Arkanghelsk Tue May 10, 2022 1:05 pm
caveat emptor wrote:One thing i dislike is that northeastern spur came to close to Vovchansk, which is one of the main supply routes for Izyum sector. It is within arty range atm.Arrow wrote:There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.
There's MLRS battery near the border with the whole area zeroed
Ukrainians are drawn into open positions
Russian infantry don't have to close with them, MLRS will do the work
Ukrainians haven't broken through anything, Russian artillery will commerce work in this sector ,
Kharkov is population dense and hard to work seamlessly there
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Senior defense official says Russia has "blown through" its PGM stockpile and is having trouble replenishing. "They are having inventory issues," senior defense official says #Ukraine
Last night's now ex shopping centre/munitions depot.
Tara Copp
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Senior defense official says Russia has "blown through" its PGM stockpile and is having trouble replenishing. "They are having inventory issues," senior defense official says #Ukraine
Last night's now ex shopping centre/munitions depot.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Arkanghelsk Tue May 10, 2022 1:11 pm
Russian big numbers aren't needed
The entire Sumy and Chernigov grouping is sitting pretty on the border
VDV is also nicely ready
Russia can increase numbers at will, but 70k is enough to hold novorossiya, and to destroy the VSU in donetsk
Once they're done, phase 3 will start , phase 3 will be interesting to see , I think the south west is most likely
Push towards Odessa and Dnipro
The entire Sumy and Chernigov grouping is sitting pretty on the border
VDV is also nicely ready
Russia can increase numbers at will, but 70k is enough to hold novorossiya, and to destroy the VSU in donetsk
Once they're done, phase 3 will start , phase 3 will be interesting to see , I think the south west is most likely
Push towards Odessa and Dnipro
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Belisarius Tue May 10, 2022 1:12 pm
ucmvulcan wrote:mr_hd wrote:In Kharkiv front Russian positions are collapsing, it is not orderly tactic. Ukrainian forces there are changing power balance and are successfully and systematically pushing and clearing more area for days now. Russian forces there are among the most tin overall and if Ukraine is able to expel Russians there this will have negative implications also for Donbass front on long run since that will be next area were extra soldiers will come on Ukrainian side.
All in all there are signs that Russians are needed thousand more soldiers if they want to consolidate already taken territory and for any bigger push those numbers are rising into huge category.
In the meantime Ukraine is achieving parity in heavy weapons on the ground - they already have more tanks compared to russian deployed numbers - first time since war started (one reason was Polish donations of 200+ tanks among other things).
All in all long term prospects for Russia in Ukraine are not good at all, if Russia is not able to finish conflict quickly long term prospects are grim - that is reality.
Source?
Source?
Probably the same ones who said that:
-Russian supplies would run out in mid-March, and then the Russian army would collapse.
-Makarov was sunk.
-The Ghost of Kiev killed 40 targets.
-The Russians are running out of cruise missiles.
And believe me, the list doesn't stop there...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
Arkanghelsk Tue May 10, 2022 1:13 pm
The huge grouping in Belarus never left either
Russia left behind immense forces in Belarus
Waiting for Poland to make their move
Russia left behind immense forces in Belarus
Waiting for Poland to make their move
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
SeigSoloyvov Tue May 10, 2022 1:14 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:The huge grouping in Belarus never left either
Russia left behind immense forces in Belarus
Waiting for Poland to make their move
Poland isn't going to go into the war, with their own troops.
So that excuse for holding back is just a silly ass excuse.
Also didn't you say Russians forces aren't taking any losses in their slow advance, you need to stop saying ridiculous things.
If the Russians have these immense forces you speak of, they should have been committed by now or at least parts of them.
Yet I see none of that
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Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
During the day, operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 74 assets, including 2 command posts, 20 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 2 missile and artillery weapon depots.Missile troops and artillery units have hit 223 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and destroyed 3 command posts and 2 ammunition depots.The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 100 nationalists and up to 19 armoured and motor vehicles. Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Ukrainian Su-25 aircraft near Shirokoe, Dnepropetrovsk Region. In addition, 1 Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force has been shot down near Novodmitrovka, Kherson Region. In addition, 4 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Lisichansk, Krivoi Rog and Kulinovka, Kharkov Region. 
In total, 164 Ukrainian aircraft and 125 helicopters, 798 unmanned aerial vehicles, 302 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,983 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 351 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,440 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,796 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation. 
I would like to point out that another Ukrainian Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle have been shot down by Russian air defence means this afternoon near Snake Island.The Kiev regime has thus lost 30 military UAVs alone in this area over the past three days.9 of these, I remind you, are Bayraktar-TB2 strike UAVs.The UAVs were all used in the failed "PR campaign" by the Kiev regime to seize Snake Island on the eve of May 9, the Great Patriotic War Victory Day. In addition, 3 more bodies of Ukrainian saboteurs nailed from the sea were found by Russian servicemen on the shore today.Now 27 bodies of Ukrainian special forces and nationalist fighters remain at Snake Island as a result of Kiev's failed operation.
In total, the Kiev regime have lost 3 Su-24 bombers and 1 Su-27 fighter jet near Snake Island during militarily pointless attempt to seize the island.10 Ukrainian Air Force helicopters have been destroyed. Among them, 3 Mi-8 helicopters with paratroopers on board and 1 Mi-24 support helicopter have been shot down in the air. In addition, 6 more Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters involved in the operation have been destroyed on the ground near Artsiz, Odessa Region. Also 3 Ukrainian Centaur armoured amphibious assault boats with marines on board have been destroyed. Thus, this adventure ended in disaster for Ukraine. The Kiev regime's mindless PR campaign to seize Snake Island on the eve of Victory Day resulted in the senseless deaths of more than five dozen Ukrainian fighters and members of elite AFU units, the loss of 4 aircraft, 10 helicopters, 3 boats and 30 unmanned aerial vehicles.#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15
ArgentinaGuard Tue May 10, 2022 2:00 pm
mr_hd wrote:In Kharkiv front Russian positions are collapsing, it is not orderly tactic. Ukrainian forces there are changing power balance and are successfully and systematically pushing and clearing more area for days now. Russian forces there are among the most tin overall and if Ukraine is able to expel Russians there this will have negative implications also for Donbass front on long run since that will be next area were extra soldiers will come on Ukrainian side.
All in all there are signs that Russians are needed thousand more soldiers if they want to consolidate already taken territory and for any bigger push those numbers are rising into huge category.
In the meantime Ukraine is achieving parity in heavy weapons on the ground - they already have more tanks compared to russian deployed numbers - first time since war started (one reason was Polish donations of 200+ tanks among other things).
All in all long term prospects for Russia in Ukraine are not good at all, if Russia is not able to finish conflict quickly long term prospects are grim - that is reality.
Look Western boy, I'm going to tell you something. I doubt what you said. But think about this: this is an existential war for the fate of the world. If Russia were on the brink of future defeat, this is heading for a world war with atomic bombs. Russia is not going to let the West get away with it.
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