Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15

flamming_python wrote:
Who cares who believes them and who doesn't?

If they are telling the truth - and I do believe they are as the whole strategy against the mass propaganda disinformation campaign by the Ukraine and the West this conflict has simply been to tell the truth - then the facts on the ground are what will ultimately matter. Those vehicles are destroyed and those militants are dead, and Kiev is going to find it harder and harder to replace them.

Just like Russia didn't offer any proof about the thousands of armored vehicles it claimed to have destroyed. Barely any videos. Yet already 3 weeks into the conflict, Ukrainian forces around Kiev were moving around in ambulances and DHL vans, while another week later, and Zelensky was already requesting tanks from NATO to be sent.
The proof is there if you pay attention.

Nice cartoons are needed for twitter war. Every hand to the front, for victory!
Twitter war is being fought by the twitter warriors, 95% of whom speak no language other than English.
And have a functional disadvantage to searching anything other than YT engine will present to them.

This is kinda funny, as when Russkies advanced, tons of aircraft wreckages were discovered, proving that the claims were real.
Republican units are not so strict in forbidding mobile phones on the ground, so tons of material from there are in the air.
Chechens are playing their own show, so tons of films from them either.
But both sources are in Russian.

Again, Russian speaking Internet is flooded with materials, and all of them present the misery of the Ukroregime in both military, and hearts and minds fronts.
Yesterday was a mass mobilization of all the Ukroregime forces to stage something.
Anything, only to present it.
They have lost at all fronts, starting from the Snake Island. Cherson was targeted by 8 ballistic missiles, all intercepted. They have tried to organize nothing else than a mass terrorist attack with use of ballistic missiles. Crimean bridge, they didn't even dare ...
Even worse, mass rallies were performed in any city recaptured from the regime forces, and the scale of the rallies is bigger than the biggest antirussian ones by a factor. Cherson, Melitopol, Energodar, Mariopol ... The monuments were cleaned, flowers were placed, eternal fires burn.

" Voenkor Kitten Z "

Overview of the situation on the front line. Prospects and tactics of actions

1. Combat operations in the direction of Krasny Liman, in the settlement Popasnaya and other areas confirm that the enemy has started to run out of time - they do not have time to dig in, so they throw meat in the fields, withdrawing the main forces to the cities. Prepare for urban battles, build fortresses in cities. This is bad, but there is a double story here: we can not take cities, but block them, preventing them from moving logistically. In addition to the railway to Kharkov, the enemy still has a railway to Kramatorsk. So let them sit in the cities. Let's start to control more territories.

2. The conflict is long-term. We can dig in, block the cities. They won't be able to stay in the cities for long if we cut the logistics. They will try to counterattack. You need to pull them out and beat them in the opposite direction. For us, this is good. The fact that they now do not have time to dig in and build those defensive complexes that were in the area of ​​\u200b\u200bAvdeevka, Maryinka, Lisichansk, the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration is a fact.

3. It is necessary to squeeze out from (from under) Donetsk, Lugansk, to align the line with the occupation of the remaining part of the territories of Zaporozhye. It is necessary to bypass Nikolaev with access to Transnistria. Work fields, taking small settlements. Roughly speaking, to work in the corridor of solutions. Strongly defend the corridor, wait until the enemy makes a mistake in order to storm on his shoulders.

4. What is our problem? With high-precision (high-precision weapons - WTO), with strike UAVs that can “fly through the window”. But firepower in the field, we prevail. This means that we need to fortify ourselves in the field, dig in, create fortified areas along the defense line ourselves and wait for the enemy, grind his personnel in counterattacks, and inflict critical losses in manpower. In parallel with this, prepare for further battles, rearm, make, receive, purchase WTO, UAVs, prepare for street battles.

5. There is only one tactic - slowly, squeeze the enemy out of the territory that is critical for us and act on defense. They are pushing us to take action. In cities, these actions are fraught. Why play by their rules? It is necessary to determine the line that is important for us, to strengthen on it, occupying the territory as much as possible, and wait. Wait and counterattack, grinding the enemy. Counterattack and wait. But prepare for assault.

6. Krivoy Rog is one long street lined with factories. They are preparing a second Mariupol for us there. The same metallurgical plants. What is Dnepropetrovsk? Factories. Zaporozhye has an island in the center of the Dnieper - Khortitsa. You can take the city, but if you blow up the bridges and line up artillery, they will use artillery from the island to hollow out all the attacking groups, bring everything by water - the Dnieper is wide there. Therefore, work from defense is effective, causing maximum damage to manpower. The task is to neutralize 200-300 thousand of the enemy. Then the situation will begin to change.

7. I would already start equipping a sanitary zone (buffer) around Kharkov. There we did not retreat, but left without fighting, because the mobilized from Lugansk with three-rulers and helmets of the 1943 model were thrown into the 2nd line, and the assault groups went further under Izyum. Naturally, it is impossible to keep the situation with these forces, it is simply impossible - people are not fired upon. Now the enemy is separated from the border of the Russian Federation by 7 km.

Sujoy wrote:

Isos wrote:Cage armour sucks. Trucks with armour are too expensive and never enough armoured to protect against rpg and atgm.

What they need is mass use of active protection systems and the ability to strike first.

Not loosing equipement is impossible in wars where modern anti tnk missiles are widespread. Just look other conflict, one man with a kornet or tow can destroy plenty of vehicles.

AFAIK, APS has never been battle proven. Several defense analysts who have observed the performance of Western APS during trials suggest that they are probably not as effective as they are supposed to be. Reportedly Israeli tanks equipped with APS got hit by ATGMs.

Russia didn't test any APS in Syria and so far it seems no APS has been tested by Russia in Ukraine either.

Israeli trophy did very well against atgms. Just like soviet t-55 equiped with Drozd in Afghanistan and it was 1970 technology.

They for sure aren't protecting with 100% success but they make atgm Pk very low.

Dickhead.....it reads made September 2001. Not really the most advanced. This is the initial version, came before dual mode, Brimstone 2, Brimstone 3.

As usual, don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

Hahaha... of course... they want to appear to be helping the Ukraine but don't want to give anything actually useful to them or anything... that is a best friend for you...

But Ukrainians have always used 152mm artillery shells whereas NATO standard is 155mm. NATO can't supply 152mm so they are supplying 155mm and to use the latter Ukraine also needs NATO artillery guns.

Very true, and they will target these imports too.

Another dick. Why can't NATO manufacture 152 mm shells for Ukraine?

US special forces are putting out contracts for western companies to make AKs and PKs and Utes and RPGs and the ammo to go with it for sneaky beaky use... it makes sense so they can operate in enemy territory while being able to use local ammo and not make distinctive noises when they fire... that makes sense.

Making 152mm artillery shells does not make sense because why would they want to make artillery shells they don't need or would use... any allies would be forced to change to 155mm calibre and would use standard HATO ammo...

Making 152mm ammo means selling less 155mm guns.

Can a mod ban this troll. Insulting isn't allowed here. He insulted two times in two posts.

Many posters have been insulting him, and he is responding in kind, however... good point... you have not insulted him, and nor has Sujoy so he gets a break for two weeks. (one week for each)

I am not sure Bulgaria has the facilities to build more 152mm guns and it makes more sense to provide what u have in stock than to build new, especially when it's likely that they will be Destroyed any way

Give away old stock so you get new stock to replace it...

Putin could have handled some things better for sure, but considering the constant pot shots that the west has been taking against Russia (the entire Ukrainian affair is one, a big one) all this time, they are ultimately to blame.

He has taken an ordinary hand into a game winning hand... and can now leave the table and leave the game because it is crooked, and go earn a living in the rest of the villiage outside this dirty casino called the west.

I mentiond in this thread how mad things were during 8/8/8, it's the same but a hundred times worse.

Yes... effectively Putin has tried everything but it is the west that has failed, and so Putin is clearly not interested in better relations with the west... he is going to deal with the Ukraine and I suspect then he is going to turn his back on the west and look to the rest of the world to create an alternative future to the west for everyone else... which is a good thing IMHO.

Been saying the west hates Russia for a long time and now Putin is realising... they need to shift to the Asian sports leagues and turn to Asia and Africa and South and Central America for trade and partnerships and development and growth.

The NATzO propaganda about Russia running out of missiles goes back to early March.

This propaganda is based on their own experiences where in wars they have run out of missiles and ordinance... it is just a cheap shot.

the US is not going to go easy if its control is lost. They are eventually going to go to war against both Russia and China which would be World War III. That financial control through usury needs to be destroyed.

When they lose the world perhaps the 99% in the US might start to realise the 1% have destroyed everything they tried to be and everything that had been created for them. The 1% didn't build America... they inherited it and have destroyed it... the US is more likely headed for a civil war as predicted by the various zombie movies that were made there... small group of humans trying to fight off the unending numbers of the 99%... usually in a Mall... the centre of US consumerism...

They already faced a harsh criticism that this was the sole real game, and swallowed it. Why not to get the effects after?
He is still capable for duty, will be 72 on the next elections.

How many countries other than the US has term limits... why should it not be up to the people who is in charge of their country?

If you say to avoid corruption... well term limits did not prevent Biden buying the election using the US intel agencies and social media outlets to crush any opposition...

In any other theatre in the world, Russia could have been easily outmaneuvered and blocked. Closing some vital paths would be a deadly blow to the Russian logistics, plus no matter if we like it or not, the seas are ruled by NATO at the moment.

That has to be Russias next focus because they need to be able to support and help potential trading partners internationally so that is going to take ships and warships and subs...

AFAIK, APS has never been battle proven.

Drozd was tested in Afghanistan in the 1980s by the Naval Infantry and was deemed successful, though design upgrades to Drozd 2 were made and the system was not adopted into service AFAIK.

I am sure they can afford to lose few Orlan drones in order to have good video for own show-off purposes as well as for disproving Ukrainian propaganda.

They can't win the propaganda war... if they release footage of Orcs being slaughtered Kievs nazis will simply doctor the video and claim it is Russian forces being destroyed, or no western media outlet will use the footage.

Makes more sense to just keep doing what they are doing...

Don't waste their time trying to win over the western audience.

Good example is Snake Island. Ukrainians publish Hollywood style video of Su-27 bombing an Island and destroying Mi-8 with good story supporting it.
on the other hand, Russians MoD informed us about destruction of 3 jets, few helicopters and few boats but without any video or photo evidence Sad
Yesterday they said that around 20+ bodies are left on the island but there is nothing to support this thesis.

Where is Kievs video of occupying the island? They sent three Mi-8s and an Mi-24 and they had an Su-27 and several Su-24s and a few drones they lost and all they can show is supposed footage of what they call a Russian helicopter... this was a landing attempt... which explains the number of Ukranian aircraft lost.

Israeli trophy did very well against atgms. Just like soviet t-55 equiped with Drozd in Afghanistan and it was 1970 technology.

They for sure aren't protecting with 100% success but they make atgm Pk very low.

The frustrating thing is that if you treat an APS system as not just a separate system but an organic part of a vehicle design it essentially could add 360 degree MMW radar and all weather optics detection for the crew in the vehicle... making computer processing of the video image possible so it would rapidly detect moving human targets (heat sources) to direct smoke or the main gun quickly to deal with close in threats and warnings of attacks and give even closed up armoured vehicles excellent situational awareness.

These systems are not cheap, but unless you start deploying them you wont know how effective they really could be...

More importantly mass production and widespread use will help reduce costs and improve performance too.

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Another victim of the Ukraine's sabotage campaign on Russian soil, according to some Ukr telegram channels

A kebab-eatery ablaze in the town of Lyubertsy, Moscow region
https://t.me/mig41/17267

flamming_python wrote:Another victim of the Ukraine's sabotage campaign on Russian soil, according to some Ukr telegram channels

A kebab-eatery ablaze in the town of Lyubertsy, Moscow region
https://t.me/mig41/17267

A kebab restaurant up in flames? Putin is probably on the phone asking Biden for mercy.

No more Bayraktars!

When all you wanted was to take out the Crimean bridge or spoil the May 9th parade but had to settle for a kebab shop instead

Shucks

These photos from the Azovstal' catacombs look like the new Metro game

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/48049

flamming_python wrote:These photos from the Azovstal' catacombs look like the new Metro game

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/48049

Look like they were taken circa 1815 after Waterloo.

There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.

Supposedly, UA lost up to 50 (!) TB-2s over the past two weeks in unsuccessful attacks on Snake Island and targets in bordering Russian regions. Turks are displeased.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/12134

andalusia wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The Russian leadership realized this a good while back, but still naively try to cling to a "moral high ground" they think will ultimately burn through all the BS, once the smoke has dispersed and the dust has settled.

It won't. The power of the propaganda machine Russia is up against has no historical analogues.

The corrupt ruling regimes in the collective "West" won't ever openly admit the truth, but the key PR battleground is China, India, the non-aligned world and the Global South.  Once Russia can expose the never-ending fecklessness of the West and the depraved depths of outrageous war-crimes and mass suffering that they are prepared to inflict in pursuit of their selfish objectives, the rest of the world will be sympathetic to Russias aims and the path to a true multi-polar world and marginalisation of the Wests attempted hegemony will be made easier.  

The West greatly fears the consequences of losing control of the planets financial flows and energy/resources, and the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to WIN in Ukraine, tear the regime down, and then kick the foundations out from under the tottering giant with feet of clay

The West is pretty evil in regards to its financial control of the planet.  That is why I am glad that since this war has happened, the dollar could lose its status as the reserve currency. I do not think the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to win in Ukraine; the US is not going to go easy if its control is lost.  They are eventually going to go to war against both Russia and China which would be World War III.  That financial control through usury needs to be destroyed.  

Unless by 'the West" you mean a group of bankers in the City of London and their inbred royal family backers, your characterization is a bit too broad.

They have tried a few times already, with just the same miserable result.

Arrow wrote:There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.

The more they are drawn out from the city, and as they keep advancing more will have to come out to protect ever lengthening flanks, the more over confident they become.

The end result being that they are much more vulnerable to counterattack in the countryside with fewer left behind to protect Kharkiv. We can almost hear Moscow saying "just a few km more, please'

A few different things on this French map.

Shopping mall turned weapons storage in Odessa

JohninMK wrote:

Arrow wrote:There are many reports that the Russians are withdrawing from the vicinity of Kharkiv towards their border. How true is that? If true, why are they withdrawing? This will bring Ukrainian forces closer to the border with Russia, from where it will be even easier for them to shell into Russian territory.

The more they are drawn out from the city, and as they keep advancing more will have to come out to protect ever lengthening flanks, the more over confident they become.

The end result being that they are much more vulnerable to counterattack in the countryside with fewer left behind to protect Kharkiv. We can almost hear Moscow saying "just a few km more, please'

Expect that strat will not work, Ukies can simply fall back into the city easily if attacked

Mariupol: