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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 12, 2022 11:09 am

    Belisarius wrote:The Russians are pouring troops into a widening bridgehead across the Seversky Donets.  Ukrainian efforts to defeat the crossing have failed.  Severodonetsk-Lisichansk may be in imminent danger of encirclement. -Ukraine general staff

    See all that bridge nonsense is just more cope as the Russians win the real war on the ground.

    @armchairW twitter.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/6249

    This is the part that was described as triumph of ukroforces a day ago, I will remind you Laughing

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Anything the Orcs say should be disbelieved as a matter of course.  The burden of proof rests fully upon their narrow Nazi shoulders  Razz

    Or understand opposite.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 11:27 am

    I post over at https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk what I think is a fairly even handed way but am regarded by some there as their Russian troll. You probably couldn't find a more insular, believe the propaganda site. But there are posters there who clearly know what they are talking about. This is a post from one of them.

    What do you think of his comment?


    JiMK wrote:

       “Apologies for the delay but I’ve only just re-found the link to the Ukrainian pontoon being struck.”

    farouk wrote

    “Velen dank”
    I responded to your post where you stated and I quote:

    “”The alternate view is that Ukrainian forces, when hunkered down in built up areas are very difficult to defeat, but when they are out in the open they are far more exposed. Time will tell if it is a trap and they have been lured out of relative safety. The Ukrainians did install a couple of pontoon bridges, fixed just below the surface of the river as a kind of natural camouflage, but one has been bombed.””

    I’ve been  keeping  very close tabs on what is happening across the Ukraine simply because I am most interested in the tactics used (you can blame B. H. Liddell Hart and his book Strategy where I was introduced to Belisarius, a truly amazing general whose achievements via the use of out flanking the other I feel should be made compulsory reading for all military officers)
    (EDIT Flavius Belisarius was a military commander of the Byzantine Empire under the emperor Justinian I. He was instrumental in the reconquest of much of the Mediterranean territory belonging to the former Western Roman Empire, which had been lost less than a century prior.)

    So the battle in the east.

    Moscow after a hard drawn bunfight took the town of Izium in April resulting in opposing forces holding either side of the Siverskyi Donets River. Using that river as a holding shield Moscow has advanced south east towards Lyman which will then put them in a position to threaten Sloviansk and Kramatorsk which if you look on the map is what Moscow needs to capture in which to remove the Ukrainian salient into their recent captures in Donetsk Oblast. The problem is the wooded areas favours the Ukrainians and Moscow is having an extremely hard time in advancing , which after a month and a half has cost them dearly . Whilst Moscow has concentrated its BTGs  in that direction, the Ukrainians have taken to the offensive around Kharkiv and pushed back Russian forces to the Russian border.

    But this is where it becomes most interesting. Remember I said that both sides are separated by the Siverskyi Donets River well the Ukrainians opened another front at the town of Protopopivka and built a bridge across it, the video you showed was the destruction of one such bridge on the 4th of May. But the fact remains the Ukrainians are taking the battle to the Russians and in the wooded areas on the other side of the river from Protopopivka  to Yampil NASA’s FIRMS fire map, shows that Ukrainian artillery is taking a very heavy toll on the invading Russian forces which can be verified by the numerous videos across the net showing a lot of Russian forces on their knees getting painfully battered around the ring.

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    Don’t get me wrong, Moscow has brought a lot of firepower to the game, the problem is, they are losing men and equipment on a rate not seen since France capitulated to the Germans in 1940. Now in 1989, the USSR pulled out of Afghanistan after losing 14K men over 10 years (120 months) resulting in pressure across the USSR to end the war and bring their boys home.

    Well Moscow is only 3 months into its foray into the Ukraine and the lowest estimates show they have lost around 15K troops, its still the honeymoon period , but when the Russian public start to wake up to the fact that they have lost so many of their fathers, brothers and sons then expect outrage. We are already seeing some of that with how Moscow is clamping down on people objecting to this war. Thousands arrested , we are seeing signs of sabotage, we are seeing young men leaving Russia than serve and as I said it is still early days.

    Back to the destruction of that pontoon bridge , I cut and pasted in the post you replied to that Moscow on the retreat had destroyed 3 bridges in which to stop the Ukrainians crossing water lines of demarcation , the Ukrainians in turn built a bridge in which to continue their advance , which was taken out by Moscow and you tried to paint that as a brilliant tactical move , whilst omitting from the narrative  that the Russians are retreating in that neck of the woods and the Ukrainians are advancing  

    Anyway we are now 3 months down the line, lets come back in 1 months time and see where were are. Oh don’t get me wrong Moscow has the means in which to capture the entire region, the problem is, they are going about doing so in the most expensive way (men, equipment, moral) going, and as I hinted the real battle for Putin has yet to be fought and that battle will see him face off the families of the soldiers he has had killed.

    Everybody thinks Glasnost was a rude awaking for Russia, well what Putin has in store is going to be even worse.

    Oh and BTW, I started life as a Sapper, I’ve built many a Bridge be they:

    MGB single or double span
    With Pontoon
    HGOB
    Bailey Bridge
    Air portable bridge

    I was also a Combat Support boat operator , designed to replace the Mark 7 Tug regards to building bridges on the rivers of Germany, so I think I know a little something about Military bridges, such as they are designed to be put up quickly (as in hours) usually at night which explains why in that video you linked in, there are no troops to be seen, now contrast that with the images of the destroyed Russian bridges.

    As I keep saying about the Russians : All the gear, no idea.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu May 12, 2022 11:58 am

    Sending weapons to Ukraine could lead to a direct clash between Russia and NATO, which risks escalating into a full-fledged nuclear war, said Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev.
    https://ria.ru/20220512/nato-1788063176.html

    Considering who is saying this and how - I understand that there is only one question left: how soon?
    Warnings follow warnings, and it is quite obvious that at some point the warnings will end and actions will follow.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 12, 2022 12:00 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:The Russians are pouring troops into a widening bridgehead across the Seversky Donets.  Ukrainian efforts to defeat the crossing have failed.  Severodonetsk-Lisichansk may be in imminent danger of encirclement. -Ukraine general staff

    See all that bridge nonsense is just more cope as the Russians win the real war on the ground.

    @armchairW twitter.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/6249

    This is the part that was described as triumph of ukroforces a day ago, I will remind you Laughing

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Anything the Orcs say should be disbelieved as a matter of course.  The burden of proof rests fully upon their narrow Nazi shoulders  Razz

    Or understand opposite.

    So I saw these remarks and did some digging, yet I cannot find this statement anywhere

    "The Russians are pouring troops into a widening bridgehead across the Seversky Donets. Ukrainian efforts to defeat the crossing have failed. Severodonetsk-Lisichansk may be in imminent danger of encirclement. -Ukraine general staff"

    and this sounds like a public statement so it should be on some official page somewhere but its not, it only exists on this posters title.

    Unless you have proof otherwise,

    this is literally propaganda as it cannot be confirmed
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 12, 2022 12:07 pm

    Peskov urged to strengthen the security of areas adjacent to Ukraine

    Peskov: it is necessary to strengthen the security of areas adjacent to Ukraine

    https://ria.ru/20220512/peskov-1788093801.html



    WTF?! Peskov is now managing operation? military dont know that? Or Russian civilians are less important then Ukopistan ones?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 12, 2022 12:10 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Peskov urged to strengthen the security of areas adjacent to Ukraine

    Peskov: it is necessary to strengthen the security of areas adjacent to Ukraine

    https://ria.ru/20220512/peskov-1788093801.html



    WTF?!  Peskov is now managing operation? military dont  know that? Or Russian civilians are less important then Ukopistan ones?

    as I said entire command staff needs to be stacked for incompetence and politicians do not belong having control of a military operation
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    Post  Scorpius Thu May 12, 2022 12:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote: Well Moscow is only 3 months into its foray into the Ukraine and the lowest estimates show they have lost around 15K troops, its still the honeymoon period , but when the Russian public start to wake up to the fact that they have lost so many of their fathers, brothers and sons then expect outrage.

    Please tell this person a few facts:
    1. Rumors about the alleged 15,000 KIA among the Russian armed Forces are nonsense. By all my estimates, this figure is at least three-five times too high.
    2. Russia lost 16 thousand people in road accidents in 2020 alone. No one noticed it.
    3. Over the past 2 years, Russia has lost 370 thousand people from coronavirus. The United States lost about a million for the same reasons. Has anyone noticed these losses?
    4. Even if we imagine that Russia has lost 15 thousand in 3 months, Russia has another 265,000 military personnel only in the ground forces, plus an unknown number of civilians who are in the "hot" mobilization reserve (probably several tens of thousands). At this rate, Russia can freely afford a continuous war for at least 5-6 years without replenishing the loss of personnel. Taking into account the fact that the population under the age of 18 in Russia is now 22.4% - in the next 5-6 years, about 30 million people will reach the age and competence to conduct combat operations, among which at least 300 thousand will definitely be able to become combatants.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 12:23 pm

    Sad but seemingly true

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 12, 2022 12:29 pm

    If true then the more apt statement would be: "someone knows how to squeeze its allies"...

    Putting pressure on the countries that are bothering to help you is a dubious enterprise... what if they decide you are not worth helping... risking damaging their economies... I am sure Germany wont appreciate this... a bit like trying to force your daddy to say he loves you and when he finally speaks he says you are adopted...

    Bruh, there's a line here. The cheek on these Kherson niggas when DPR/LPR chads are still fighting to regain their territories

    Even more interesting Zelensky has said if any parts of Ukraine tries to join Russia or a referendum is held then all bets are off and there will be no more peace negotiations... will be interesting to see if he backs that up or if he flip flops.

    Note he also said he wanted better relations with the Russians and a diplomatic solution regarding the Minsk agreements.

    Killing everyone would only help one, Uncle Sam. It would hurt Russia as much as it hurt Ukraine.

    Killing everyone is not practical or likely very realistic, but anyone wanting to point a gun at a Russian soldier or a civilian is not someone the Russians soldiers should be too worried about preserving the lives of.

    If they surrender or are captured then they should be treated with respect and not tortured or abused, but right now they are part of the problem.

    Funnily enough, if Ukraine would have capitulated after a week it had kept all its territory except Donbass, now it will lose more than half...the advantage of the slow military operation

    Funnier than that... if they didn't adopt the law banning the Russian language they probably would have been fine, but the Minsk agreements were about autonomy for the Donbass and Lugansk regions... not total independence, so it would have been Kievs border guards on the border with Russia.

    But they had the entire western world on their side and Putin is weak... he will never take his country to war... hahaha.

    Stupid runs deep it does seem.

    Not so much stupid... more like if they take off the Halo... then who are the good guys and who are the bad guys... it is like... where do my Christmas presents come from now that I know Santa does not exist. I will just keep believing in Santa... what harm does it do...

    The curators of Ukropistan were not interested in this solution, because it would resolve the problems and bring the peace back. Back in 2015, it was not too late.
    But they wanted the problem to grow up and boil, to make Ukraine cross the Rubikon and became an Ukropistan.

    They were under orders to start a war with Russia and that is exactly what they achieved...

    Of course there was a UN resolution about Kosovo being an indivisible part of Serbia too... which ended up in a way the Serbs were not so happy about.
    But that was a unique situation of course... (because it was illegal under international law...)

    This should be Kh-32, as right after launch it climbs upwards. Also wasn't this missile exclusively built to take out the NATO carriers? I didn't know it had land attack capability as well.

    A common misunderstanding in the west that the Tu-22M3 and Kh-22M and Kh-32 were naval weapons and naval systems. Actually they are deep theatre strike weapons and were designed to take on land and sea based targets... the heavy supersonic missiles came in three main types... anti radiation for use against radar bases and major SAM installations and also ships under heavy jamming (because anti radiation is passive it can be part of a second wave of anti ship missiles so after the first missiles strike the second wave will detect the ships based on the radar they will be turning on to defend themselves), the second is inertially guided to hit a coordinate on a map location which uses an 800Kt nuke warhead to obliterate anything in the vicinity, and the third type is radar guided that can hit bridges and large buildings or radar or ships at sea...

    They are all designed for land and sea use.

    It seems , we have a choice of how much work we do and when . And how high we need to turn up the heat ( how intense the fighting becomes ) , to cause a psychological fusion ?

    Or how to drain the swamp. The EU and HATO and the US are essentially driving this conflict so I would say cut off all energy supplies to the US... ie Uranium supplies.

    "Ukraine says it will block Russian gas supply to Europe"

    Good. Europe will blame Russia but who cares.

    Am i missing something here, isn't this the west news? It makes no sense
    Ukraine beat Russia to close gas deliveries, talk about a night of long knives!
    Why Ukraine shut off the gas, wont this turn Germany and EU against them?
    Wont this build support for Nord 2?
    This will sink the EU economy..... Inflation in double figures..... German economy will die
    no gas for germany = no backflow to pass on to Poland
    plus ukr was getting a fee for the gas going through the pipelines - now they can say good bye to that.... wonder what Poland will say to it all? Maybe instead of Russia, it will be Poland declaring an all out war and invade Ukr hahaha
    Collective suicide, this is just a circular firing squad

    Zelensky can be accused of a lot of things but being smart isn't one of them... it is sanction logic... make it hard enough and they will do as you demand...

    Unless it totally backfires... maybe he wants to commit suicide...

    He won the role of his dreams and it has turned into a nightmare.

    The Ukrainians did install a couple of pontoon bridges, fixed just below the surface of the river as a kind of natural camouflage, but one has been bombed.””

    Setting up bridges just under the surface of the water so they are not very visible is a very old standard tactic the Russians have used for a very very long time and would not be fooled by.

    Please tell this person a few facts:

    And perhaps the most important facts that Ukraine has bio weapons labs, wanted nuclear weapons and is riddled with Bandera Nazis... they had not choice in the matter... unlike the west who chose to support everything they fought in WWII... but that was all just bullshit anyway... if they didn't hang off the skirt of the US they would be totally irrelevant... just look at Boris...

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    Post  Hole Thu May 12, 2022 12:31 pm

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    Mining a child care facility, the Kiev regime is really defending human rights and democracy

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 12, 2022 12:45 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote: Well Moscow is only 3 months into its foray into the Ukraine and the lowest estimates show they have lost around 15K troops, its still the honeymoon period , but when the Russian public start to wake up to the fact that they have lost so many of their fathers, brothers and sons then expect outrage.

    Please tell this person a few facts:
    1. Rumors about the alleged 15,000 KIA among the Russian armed Forces are nonsense. By all my estimates, this figure is at least three-five times too high.
    2. Russia lost 16 thousand people in road accidents in 2020 alone. No one noticed it.
    3. Over the past 2 years, Russia has lost 370 thousand people from coronavirus. The United States lost about a million for the same reasons. Has anyone noticed these losses?
    4. Even if we imagine that Russia has lost 15 thousand in 3 months, Russia has another 265,000 military personnel only in the ground forces, plus an unknown number of civilians who are in the "hot" mobilization reserve (probably several tens of thousands). At this rate, Russia can freely afford a continuous war for at least 5-6 years without replenishing the loss of personnel. Taking into account the fact that the population under the age of 18 in Russia is now 22.4% - in the next 5-6 years, about 30 million people will reach the age and competence to conduct combat operations, among which at least 300 thousand will definitely be able to become combatants.

    If I am not mistaken Moscow confirmed its self a few months back they lost around 4k, so saying the figure is 3 or 5 times to high is immense BS, your figures are beyond wrong
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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 12:46 pm

    Bits and bobs

    Irene
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    Polish tanks spotted near Krivoy Rog

    In the first days of May, the drills of the UAF took place in the area of Krivoy Rog.
    During their conduct, T-72M tanks delivered from 🇵🇱 were noticed.
    In total, 🇺🇦 received over 200 vehicles of this type from the Poles.

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    Russian mobile phone network users in SE Ukraine
    (Russian forces are not allowed to use mobiles - but who knows...)


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    Intense clashes at Bilohorivka, Komyshuvakha, Sivierodonetsk outskirts. Ukr Gen Staff says they still control a bit of Rubizhne. At Bilohorivka UA Army destroyed RU pontoon crossings twice, third attempt expected. Also, RU troops managed to cross Siversky Donets river near Lyman

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    Local reports say a Rus/LPR assault on #Severodonetsk from the direction of #Rubezhnoye has begun

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 #Severodonetsk
    another report with map.
    The LPR command reports that units from the recently captured Popasna have begun moving towards #Lisichansk (adjacent to Severodonetsk) from the South
    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/sta


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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 12:53 pm

    Now this is a proper logistics convoy, on their way to make someone's day.  Lots of food for men and machines. Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 1:01 pm

    A class act

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    Post  Firebird Thu May 12, 2022 1:14 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote: Well Moscow is only 3 months into its foray into the Ukraine and the lowest estimates show they have lost around 15K troops, its still the honeymoon period , but when the Russian public start to wake up to the fact that they have lost so many of their fathers, brothers and sons then expect outrage.

    Please tell this person a few facts:
    1. Rumors about the alleged 15,000 KIA among the Russian armed Forces are nonsense. By all my estimates, this figure is at least three-five times too high.
    2. Russia lost 16 thousand people in road accidents in 2020 alone. No one noticed it.
    3. Over the past 2 years, Russia has lost 370 thousand people from coronavirus. The United States lost about a million for the same reasons. Has anyone noticed these losses?
    4. Even if we imagine that Russia has lost 15 thousand in 3 months, Russia has another 265,000 military personnel only in the ground forces, plus an unknown number of civilians who are in the "hot" mobilization reserve (probably several tens of thousands). At this rate, Russia can freely afford a continuous war for at least 5-6 years without replenishing the loss of personnel. Taking into account the fact that the population under the age of 18 in Russia is now 22.4% - in the next 5-6 years, about 30 million people will reach the age and competence to conduct combat operations, among which at least 300 thousand will definitely be able to become combatants.
    [

    Russia has repeatedly managed to kill 300, even 500 or so Bandera-trash in a single missile strike.

    Slashing that kill ratio massively to say 1-10, 15k Russians KIA would equate to 150k Bandera-trash.

    And given the nature of Russian tech superiority, you might use a 20 or 30 to 1 ratio. Which would equate to 300k or even 450k Bandera-trash gone.

    Getting back to reality, if we say 50k Bandera-trash gone. That might mean 5k Russians killed.
    But even that omits a clear and vital point.
    Official Russian losses were by far at their highest in the earliest days or week/2 of the war. 500 in the first days, and 1500 in the 1st week or 2.

    So  maybe that could equate to somewhere into the 3k's being either killed at one time.Because after the initial stages, a very different operation was being fought. You also have to add the incapacitated to that figure- which can easily be confused with KIA.

    The overwhelming reality is that Russian losses should be a very small fraction of Bandera-trash ones.
    This has to form the basis for Russian AND Donbass forces losses.


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    Post  Hinex1988 Thu May 12, 2022 1:16 pm

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have hit 4 command posts, 34 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment, as well as 2 ammunition depots near Novhorod-Siverskyi, Chernigov Region, during the day.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 320 nationalists and up to 72 armoured and motor vehicles.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Force have hit 120 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

    ▫In addition, 1 Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system radar station near Odessa and 1 missile and artillery weapons depot near Krasnopavlovka, Kharkov Region, have been destroyed.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 405 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, 12 command posts and 26 artillery units at firing positions.

    ▫1 S-300 anti-aircraft missile system has been destroyed near Koroych, Kharkov Region. 3 Smerch multiple-launch rocket launchers and 2 ammunition depots of the Ukrainian armed forces have also been destroyed near Razdolie in Kharkov Region and Slavyansk in Donetsk People's Republic.

    💥Air defence means have shot down 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Velikie Prokhody, Velikaya Kamyshevakha in Kharkov Region, Panteleimonovka, Avdeevka and Dolya in Donetsk Region, Oknino and Fabrichnoe in Lugansk Region, Glubokoe in Chernigov Region, Barvinok and Vladimirovka in Dnepropetrovsk Region.

    ▫1 Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle has been shot down near Snake Island.

    ▫14 Ukrainian Smerch multiple-launch rockets have been intercepted in the air over Zavody, Sukhaya Kamenka, Pimonovka, Izyum, Malaya Kamyshevakha in Kharkov Region, as well as Goncharovka, Topolskoe and Donetsk.

    📊In total, 164 Ukrainian aircraft and 125 helicopters, 821 unmanned aerial vehicles, 303 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,013 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 364 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,471 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,824 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  VARGR198 Thu May 12, 2022 1:20 pm

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 12, 2022 1:24 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Denazification of the pontoon bridge in the village of Protopopovka near Izyum)
    https://t.me/intelslava/28552

    Yup, we have plenty of evidence that Russia is taking out Orc pontoon bridges, so why would anyone choose to give any fcking credence to stupid orc propaganda claiming they whacked a Russian crossing  and destroyed a few dozen vehicles Suspect  This is just a case of Ukrops getting a smacking, then they send a recon drone to see how big a new arsehole they have been torn, and then they try to salvage something by claiming the carnage are Russian vehicles rather than their own.

    Anything the Orcs say should be disbelieved as a matter of course.  The burden of proof rests fully upon their narrow Nazi shoulders  Razz

    They did the same thing with the mi8

    Anyway Ukraine is the one supposedly in the midst of a huge counterattack so it makes sense for them to get smoked trying to press an attack on defensive positions of Russia

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 12, 2022 1:24 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
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    WTF?!  Peskov is now managing operation? military dont  know that? Or Russian civilians are less important then Ukopistan ones?

    as I said entire command staff needs to be stacked for incompetence and politicians do not belong having control of a military operation

    Military in Syria were doing just fine job. Looks like political pressure...

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 1:25 pm

    A few distances to remind just how big an area this is. The cartographer could have done a much clearer job on the start and end points. But hey hum.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 12, 2022 1:33 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote: Well Moscow is only 3 months into its foray into the Ukraine and the lowest estimates show they have lost around 15K troops, its still the honeymoon period , but when the Russian public start to wake up to the fact that they have lost so many of their fathers, brothers and sons then expect outrage.

    Please tell this person a few facts:
    1. Rumors about the alleged 15,000 KIA among the Russian armed Forces are nonsense. By all my estimates, this figure is at least three-five times too high.
    2. Russia lost 16 thousand people in road accidents in 2020 alone. No one noticed it.
    3. Over the past 2 years, Russia has lost 370 thousand people from coronavirus. The United States lost about a million for the same reasons. Has anyone noticed these losses?
    4. Even if we imagine that Russia has lost 15 thousand in 3 months, Russia has another 265,000 military personnel only in the ground forces, plus an unknown number of civilians who are in the "hot" mobilization reserve (probably several tens of thousands). At this rate, Russia can freely afford a continuous war for at least 5-6 years without replenishing the loss of personnel. Taking into account the fact that the population under the age of 18 in Russia is now 22.4% - in the next 5-6 years, about 30 million people will reach the age and competence to conduct combat operations, among which at least 300 thousand will definitely be able to become combatants.

    Not only this but Russian society is not going to protest over 2k KIA CONTRACT SOLDIERS

    In Russia everyone fully supports the war, and if Americans tolerated 5k+ deaths in Iraq , 2k in Afghanistan, why would anyone fight Putin over it?

    In fact in Russia , when contractors get killed its the same, there is respect but at the same time understanding that those men signed up for war, the westerners think this is like conscript 1980 Afghanistan

    The militias have lost many more, but again those men are volunteers as well

    So westerners who claim this are wrong and even their own societies didn't flinch at 1 million + covid deaths

    Reality is Russia can keep fighting this at the pace it needs and take losses which are acceptable by wartime , and societal standards

    Additionally, the use of st. George's ribbon, and the association with ww2 further insulates the Kremlin for social upheaval

    If anything people want an even heavier handed approach as many Russians still want

    But Russian army has done excellent thus far in donetsk with minimal losses , so it has justified itself

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    Post  Scorpius Thu May 12, 2022 1:37 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote: Well Moscow is only 3 months into its foray into the Ukraine and the lowest estimates show they have lost around 15K troops, its still the honeymoon period , but when the Russian public start to wake up to the fact that they have lost so many of their fathers, brothers and sons then expect outrage.

    Please tell this person a few facts:
    1. Rumors about the alleged 15,000 KIA among the Russian armed Forces are nonsense. By all my estimates, this figure is at least three-five times too high.
    2. Russia lost 16 thousand people in road accidents in 2020 alone. No one noticed it.
    3. Over the past 2 years, Russia has lost 370 thousand people from coronavirus. The United States lost about a million for the same reasons. Has anyone noticed these losses?
    4. Even if we imagine that Russia has lost 15 thousand in 3 months, Russia has another 265,000 military personnel only in the ground forces, plus an unknown number of civilians who are in the "hot" mobilization reserve (probably several tens of thousands). At this rate, Russia can freely afford a continuous war for at least 5-6 years without replenishing the loss of personnel. Taking into account the fact that the population under the age of 18 in Russia is now 22.4% - in the next 5-6 years, about 30 million people will reach the age and competence to conduct combat operations, among which at least 300 thousand will definitely be able to become combatants.

    If I am not mistaken Moscow confirmed its self a few months back they lost around 4k, so saying the figure is 3 or 5 times to high is immense BS, your figures are beyond wrong
    BS - these are the statements that you give here. At the end of March, the Ministry of Defense made a statement about the number of losses in Ukraine: it was 1351 KIA and 3825 WIA. March 25 is 30 calendar days away from February 24. March 25 is 48 calendar days away from May 12. Even if we ASSUME that the intensity of losses did not decrease compared to the first days of the military operation, then in the period from March 25 to May 12, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation could have suffered losses in the amount of 2,162 KIA and 6,120 WIA. The total total from February 24 to May 12: 3513 KIA and 9945 WIA. Thus, there is no question of any "losses in three months of war in Ukraine are higher than in 10 years in Afghanistan". The losses of the USSR in Afghanistan have long been known: 15031 KIA and 53752 WIA. And I say this with an effort not paying attention to the fact that the comparison with Afghanistan is an impudent distortion, because there is absolutely nothing in common between these two operations.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 1:42 pm

    Hinex1988 wrote:
    ▫1 Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle has been shot down near Snake Island.


    There seems to be something on or near the island that attracts TB-2 like moths to a flame most days and then burns them up.

    The Turks must be getting really pissed at this waste of their money (unless the US is paying) and bad publicity on how vulnerable it is that could put off customers.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 12, 2022 1:48 pm

    Confirming many in the West's view re many Ukrainian girls, attractive but stupid/easily led.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 12, 2022 2:26 pm

    I have a funny thought, that just came to mi mind due to this "Russian are going to loose the war" Laughing
    Crimean Bridge Twisted Evil
    For years a row, the Ukrainian public was fed on daily basis about how it is impossible to build a bridge.
    Even Germans couldn't do that! (they fave a German fetish indeed).
    Years.
    When Russkies were finishing the next steps of this huge industrial project, in Ukrainian TV one could watch ze exzpertz busy informing the audience, how fake are those materials.
    How staged, how computer made, and how it is funny.
    As soon as the bridge was started to be visible from the satellite, the very same ze expertz started a two-tone song.
    One was how it is fake, while the other was how they won't be able to finish, having no expertise, no skills, no technology, tied by the sanctions, and dying in pain due to hunger.
    Then the ark arrived at the scene, so ze expertz started to be busy explaining how it will just fall down to the water, as again Russkies lack skills, machines, precision and knowledge to put it on place.
    Finally, as the arks were on place, and the trains and cars started to ride on it - the final fan song of ze expertz was how the whole bridge will fall down the very first winter.
    That was all done 110% serious, in all the coverages provided.
    For YEARS.

    My point is, that someone who could not watch that from the pole position, in the first row, for years, in the natural environment of Ukrainian media coverage - can't believe in that.
    No sane person would.
    That would be just unbelievable, that they really can make such a performance, in all the media coverage.
    With this amount of bullshit, lies, propaganda, and pure insane things made by madmen can be presented to the audience, without even a blink of an eye.
    And that there are millions of human beings living there, who belive the crap that was too stupid to fool a monkey with it.

    But if someone had watched that, understood that, and remembers that - then no Ukro propaganda will be too much or too stupid.
    Nothing can amaze such a person. Simply nothing.

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