Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

PapaDragon wrote:

limb wrote:...If 200000 is all that Russia can deploy, no wonder that its advancing so slowly. At this rate, 200000 isn't enough for Donbass and Kharkov, of Ukraine, let alone chernigov, Sumy, Odessa, Nikolaev or Dnepropetrovsk...

Why the f*ck would you want Russia to advance fast?

How would that help with killing Ukrainians?



We haven't even reached first winter and number of dead Ukrainians is still well below 100k

They need to go at this for years and crank up that bodycount, this was isn't just about territory and politics, it's about sending a message and the best way to do it is from the gigantic mountain of Ukrainian corpses



Move slowly and kill plenty

Corpses don't receive military aid, corpses don't organize insurgencies, corpses don't need welfare, corpses don't protests

So you're calling for genocide?
Russia can't waste money for years, and it can't allow the Ukrainians to calmy bombard and terrorize the Belgorod oblast.

Also how do you know that more Ukrainians are getting killed compared to in the first few weeks of the war?

Regular wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:More than 260 Ukrainian soldiers have been evacuated from a steel plant in Mariupol, the country’s deputy defence minister said, after a weeks-long standoff with Russian forces in the besieged southern port city.

Anna Malyar said in the early hours of Tuesday that 53 seriously wounded fighters were taken from the Azovstal steelworks to a hospital in Novoazovsk, while an additional 211 fighters were evacuated to Olenivka through a humanitarian corridor.

An exchange would be worked out for their return home, she said.


Who are these being exchanged?

I wonder what is happening in Azovstal

There is talk of surrender but they are saying an exchange ?

Maybe this is the beginning, those 250 will eat and sleep , the rest of Azov will surrender soon when they see these guys in better conditions then them

The smell must be so rotten

Saying cheesy gangrene and corpse smell

And if theirs yanks there as shown in pics earlier I wonder what will become of them

There almost no Russian POWs to exchange as reported. Ukrainians did say they don't take POWs, I hope this is not true, but the POW videos stopped, only old DNR/LNR guys end up captured.

I hate cripple circus, but this was posted by Ukrainians days before the surrender. Not to mention reports of diseases and infections.

I doubt they have anyone actually healthy in Azovstal.





These 50 heavily injured must be really bad condition.


I can't believe that Ukrainian media tries to claim this as a victory... Let those images sink in their heads.

Terrible to see such young men facing a long life with horrible injuries. Who knows if they were even given a choice to fight or not. Probably not.

Plenty of old crimples there too. The choice was given, probably not communicated by their superiors. But then again, who else to blame?

mnztr wrote:
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Terrible to see such young men facing a long life with horrible injuries. Who knows if they were even given a choice to fight or not. Probably not.

That's why war sucks.
It gets worse, these people after the war can't work on the land to help food production, or rebuilding infrastructure. When the western war money dries up.

I heard this morning that the AFU in their wisdom, placed landmines in some of the wheat growing fields. So they will end up with a bunch more injured that didn't even participate in the battle directly.

There used to be a fear that Russia would march on Berlin shortly. Now they know Russia can't march on Slovyansk within 3 months. It's a joke. No one cares. Finland will join NATO, along with every western European state that hasn't yet chosen to do so.

Stop defending the stupidity for what it is. It's almost a joke. Enemies can establish WWI fortifications and it takes the RF seven weeks to knock them out with hundreds of artillery shells? The war should have been over two months ago.

I spent 8 years defending the Donbass but this is actual retardation. I'm almost at the point of believing the Ukrainians will cross the Donetsk river.

The loss of the battle of Kharkov indicates Russia is ruled by morons. "It's a feint," they say.

Feints are followed by advances. What was the purpose of the feint around Kiev or Kharkov? Russia gave up a suburb of 100k for a village of 2k? Lol

Morons

PapaDragon wrote:

mnztr wrote:...
I don't see how any weapon that can fire a 155mm projectile can be worthless...

Alright, I just googled this fabled M777 and it turns out it's just a fuckin' howitzer, are you fuckin' kidding me with this shit?

People have been whining about it like it's a fuckin' railgun or something

Yeah, a howitzer will change course of this war, Jesus Christ what a bunch of retards...

Yeah it's not really more capable than the MSTA save for reduced weight.

flamming_python wrote:Man I swear this forum is becoming an Ukro outpost is Yuri from Red Alert 2 active or something?  

Give it a break fellas. You want to find out the real picture, read the Rus MoD reports, or the various sitreps that are posted here. No amount of Ukrainian psyops is going to change the basic catastrophic situation for them. No 1-2 M777 howitzers brought in. No nothing.

Some of you guys are completely delusional, panicking over some M777s. Do you know what kind of firepower superiority Russia enjoys everywhere along the front?
If it's not taking out the Ukros as yet, and I don't know whether it is or isn't - so that means it's waiting for them to advance further. Similar to how it was done in Kherson. End of.

You have holidays coming.
The number of comments at the schoolkids level will increase inevitably.

Big_Gazza wrote:
WTF is wrong with these guys?  They have been here for years and have been sensible forum members for that time, yet now they are actively spreading the most absurd Ukropi agitprop bullshit.  Look at that map...  The idiot who put it together expects us to belive that there are areas of liberated Lugansk oblast that the LPR doesn't control, or vast swathes of Kherson and Zaporizhya oblasts that Russian forces don't control...  Sheer unmitigated propaganda nonsense.

It is even better
Till the Russians' withdrawal, the status in the north-east was presented as they control the thin line of main roads only, with the other part of the land being in the Ukro hands.
Now, as they withdraw, and Ukrs can stage "an offensive" - those thin lines became "recaptured" waste lands
Russkies have now a decent part of Ukro forces out of the cities, in the field, ready for toasting - and in a reach of cheap barrel artillery - described as a major advance and offensive. What can be better than that?

The true issue is, that it seems that some part of the allied forces there were conscripts from LNR, who get beaten - and what is the most bizarre part, cant crosses the border to Russia because the border guards didn't let them in. So a wave of rage raised among the LNR population, represented by the families. Probably someone screwed that seriously, I would expect a decision at a low command level as they were afraid that they can be Ukros infiltrating the boarder or something.

zorobabel wrote:I spent 8 years defending the Donbass but this is actual retardation. I'm almost at the point of believing the Ukrainians will cross the Donetsk river.
The loss of the battle of Kharkov indicates Russia is ruled by morons. "It's a feint," they say.
Feints are followed by advances. What was the purpose of the feint around Kiev or Kharkov? Russia gave up a suburb of 100k for a village of 2k? Lol
Morons

Bloody Jesus ... Do you even think for a moment, before putting that garbage public?
There was no "battle for Charkov". And no "battle for Kiev".
In each place where Russkies decide to unleash "a battle for X", they just took it. Sooner or later.
That is the main point that you, whining pussies, don't get.
Anyone who doubts the capability of the Russian Army to perform rapid offensive operations on a mass scale, the first two weeks of war should be enough - but that requires using a brain instead of heart.
They have advanced dozens of km DAILY, surrounding the capital, and pushing 500 km inside enemies territory in a bit longer than a week.
Because that was a strategic objective given.
The strategic objective became irrelevant, as the political scene turned out to be unarchivable.
There was no effective political force in Ukraine capable to replace the nazi regime. It was too strong at the moment, strong with a lack of competition rather than anything else.
Still, performing this style of operation required more personnel and was shadowed by the bigger losses - so the whole strategy was reversed.
Small covering forces were kept in the north only to tie the Ukro reserves, making them unable to relocate the troops to the strategic theatres in the south and south-east.
You have a daily load of pics and materials, how bad is a war going for the Ukrs on the theatres considered as strategic.
Sure they grind the ground ahead - but due to that, the soldier's loss is a factor of the opponents. And that is clear.
They are doing now, what any NATO invasion would have been doing in the first few months before putting the forces in - because the Russkies lack NATO opportunities to destroy a midsized European country without any resistance, embargos, media campaign etc.
And they will do it, till the last Ukro standing if needed.

Regular wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

mnztr wrote:...
I don't see how any weapon that can fire a 155mm projectile can be worthless...

Alright, I just googled this fabled M777 and it turns out it's just a fuckin' howitzer, are you fuckin' kidding me with this shit?

People have been whining about it like it's a fuckin' railgun or something

Yeah, a howitzer will change course of this war, Jesus Christ what a bunch of retards...

Ukrainians also got a gutted version too, it's missing a ballistic computer.

Far more than that. Google AFATDS.

zorobabel wrote:There used to be a fear that Russia would march on Berlin shortly. Now they know Russia can't march on Slovyansk within 3 months. It's a joke. No one cares. Finland will join NATO, along with every western European state that hasn't yet chosen to do so.

Stop defending the stupidity for what it is. It's almost a joke. Enemies can establish WWI fortifications and it takes the RF seven weeks to knock them out with hundreds of artillery shells? The war should have been over two months ago.

Slow advance is worth it if there are few casualties. We have no way of knowing if the Russians have suffered lots of casualties.

I agree about the Russian army being humiliated.


It seems like china will probably stray away from Russia and follow western demands because they view Russia as a paper tiger for not being able to take a country with the economy of Gambia.

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Man I swear this forum is becoming an Ukro outpost is Yuri from Red Alert 2 active or something?  

Give it a break fellas. You want to find out the real picture, read the Rus MoD reports, or the various sitreps that are posted here. No amount of Ukrainian psyops is going to change the basic catastrophic situation for them. No 1-2 M777 howitzers brought in. No nothing.

Some of you guys are completely delusional, panicking over some M777s. Do you know what kind of firepower superiority Russia enjoys everywhere along the front?
If it's not taking out the Ukros as yet, and I don't know whether it is or isn't - so that means it's waiting for them to advance further. Similar to how it was done in Kherson. End of.

You have holidays coming.
The number of comments at the schoolkids level will increase inevitably.

Big_Gazza wrote:
WTF is wrong with these guys?  They have been here for years and have been sensible forum members for that time, yet now they are actively spreading the most absurd Ukropi agitprop bullshit.  Look at that map...  The idiot who put it together expects us to belive that there are areas of liberated Lugansk oblast that the LPR doesn't control, or vast swathes of Kherson and Zaporizhya oblasts that Russian forces don't control...  Sheer unmitigated propaganda nonsense.

It is even better
Till the Russians' withdrawal, the status in the north-east was presented as they control the thin line of main roads only, with the other part of the land being in the Ukro hands.
Now, as they withdraw, and Ukrs can stage "an offensive" - those thin lines became "recaptured" waste lands
Russkies have now a decent part of Ukro forces out of the cities, in the field, ready for toasting - and in a reach of cheap barrel artillery - described as a major advance and offensive. What can be better than that?

The true issue is, that it seems that some part of the allied forces there were conscripts from LNR, who get beaten - and what is the most bizarre part, cant crosses the border to Russia because the border guards didn't let them in. So a wave of rage raised among the LNR population, represented by the families. Probably someone screwed that seriously, I would expect a decision at a low command level as they were afraid that they can be Ukros infiltrating the boarder or something.

We also have people like zorobabel whom is a military strategist and genius angry.

Seems the children are out en force.

limb wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

limb wrote:...If 200000 is all that Russia can deploy, no wonder that its advancing so slowly. At this rate, 200000 isn't enough for Donbass and Kharkov, of Ukraine, let alone chernigov, Sumy, Odessa, Nikolaev or Dnepropetrovsk...

Why the f*ck would you want Russia to advance fast?

How would that help with killing Ukrainians?



We haven't even reached first winter and number of dead Ukrainians is still well below 100k

They need to go at this for years and crank up that bodycount, this was isn't just about territory and politics, it's about sending a message and the best way to do it is from the gigantic mountain of Ukrainian corpses



Move slowly and kill plenty

Corpses don't receive military aid, corpses don't organize insurgencies, corpses don't need welfare, corpses don't protests

So you're calling for genocide?
Russia can't waste money for years, and it can't allow the Ukrainians to calmy bombard and terrorize the Belgorod oblast.

Also how do you know that more Ukrainians are getting killed compared to in the first few weeks of the war?

The hysterical hand wringing and defeatism this thread goes through on a daily basis is really something else.

There is literally an interception video from Belgorod with some chad on his way home who yells that "Russians don't give a f*ck!". Ukraine has nothing left to throw at Russia proper, and even when they pop off the odd Tochka all they get is jeers when it is blown out of the sky.

The VSU is getting obliterated because we have daily footage of them being obliterated. Because we have daily footage of mobilized volksturm, daily footage of failed "offensives", daily footage of airstrikes, daily footage of artillery bombardments and now, daily footage of VSU bemoaning the dismal state of the war. To top it off, we are getting almost no footage of Russian losses whatsoever, primarily indicating those losses don't exist. So while social media dissects, disperses, and regurgitates historical Russian "losses", the endless gigabytes of footage that appears daily showing Ukrainian annihilation is quietly swept under the mat.

sepheronx wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Man I swear this forum is becoming an Ukro outpost is Yuri from Red Alert 2 active or something?  

Give it a break fellas. You want to find out the real picture, read the Rus MoD reports, or the various sitreps that are posted here. No amount of Ukrainian psyops is going to change the basic catastrophic situation for them. No 1-2 M777 howitzers brought in. No nothing.

Some of you guys are completely delusional, panicking over some M777s. Do you know what kind of firepower superiority Russia enjoys everywhere along the front?
If it's not taking out the Ukros as yet, and I don't know whether it is or isn't - so that means it's waiting for them to advance further. Similar to how it was done in Kherson. End of.

You have holidays coming.
The number of comments at the schoolkids level will increase inevitably.

Big_Gazza wrote:
WTF is wrong with these guys?  They have been here for years and have been sensible forum members for that time, yet now they are actively spreading the most absurd Ukropi agitprop bullshit.  Look at that map...  The idiot who put it together expects us to belive that there are areas of liberated Lugansk oblast that the LPR doesn't control, or vast swathes of Kherson and Zaporizhya oblasts that Russian forces don't control...  Sheer unmitigated propaganda nonsense.

It is even better
Till the Russians' withdrawal, the status in the north-east was presented as they control the thin line of main roads only, with the other part of the land being in the Ukro hands.
Now, as they withdraw, and Ukrs can stage "an offensive" - those thin lines became "recaptured" waste lands
Russkies have now a decent part of Ukro forces out of the cities, in the field, ready for toasting - and in a reach of cheap barrel artillery - described as a major advance and offensive. What can be better than that?

The true issue is, that it seems that some part of the allied forces there were conscripts from LNR, who get beaten - and what is the most bizarre part, cant crosses the border to Russia because the border guards didn't let them in. So a wave of rage raised among the LNR population, represented by the families. Probably someone screwed that seriously, I would expect a decision at a low command level as they were afraid that they can be Ukros infiltrating the boarder or something.

We also have people like zorobabel whom is a military strategist and genius angry.

Seems the children are out en force.

How is it childish to ask how a military with renowned fortress busting weapons can't rapidly obliterate WW1 bunkers and which presents taking villages as massive successes?

You'd expect bunkers to be a trifle to deal with for an army with thermobaric weapons and hundreds of 152mm artillery. In 1944, soviets we're destroying bunkers just fine with ISU-152s, yet now some bunkers and some trenches take 4monthsbor more to take while being bombarded with 240mm and 203mm shells and people here are pretending like these fortifications are the Maginot line x100.

diabetus wrote:

Far more than that. Google AFATDS.

They wouldn't be able to use it anyways, only US is using this systems, no?

What is more relevant - they don't have fuze setters for airburst or Excalibur rounds too... Maybe it's this batch, but that is just what, simple towed artillery?

limb wrote:

How is it childish to ask how a military with renowned fortress busting weapons can't rapidly obliterate WW1 bunkers and which presents taking villages as massive successes?

You'd expect bunkers to be a trifle to deal with for an army with thermobaric weapons and hundreds of 152mm artillery. In 1944, soviets we're destroying bunkers just fine with ISU-152s, yet now some bunkers and some trenches take 4monthsbor more to take while being bombarded with 240mm and 203mm shells and people here are pretending like these fortifications are the Maginot line x100.

I don't think the problem is busting these "kreposts", but putting boots on the ground and taking the territory? Russia has shown the ability to hit and destroy fortifications, even when DNR/LNR forces are leading this.

Also, it's not WW2, a totally different war than Russia fought (or trained?) than in the past. There were advances yesterday and they are quite significant, so not sure why are you guys complaining now?

Regular wrote:

diabetus wrote:

Far more than that. Google AFATDS.

They wouldn't be able to use it anyways, only US is using this systems, no?

What is more relevant - they don't have fuze setters for airburst or Excalibur rounds too... Maybe it's this batch, but that is just what, simple towed artillery?

limb wrote:

How is it childish to ask how a military with renowned fortress busting weapons can't rapidly obliterate WW1 bunkers and which presents taking villages as massive successes?

You'd expect bunkers to be a trifle to deal with for an army with thermobaric weapons and hundreds of 152mm artillery. In 1944, soviets we're destroying bunkers just fine with ISU-152s, yet now some bunkers and some trenches take 4monthsbor more to take while being bombarded with 240mm and 203mm shells and people here are pretending like these fortifications are the Maginot line x100.

I don't think the problem is busting these "kreposts", but putting boots on the ground and taking the territory? Russia has shown the ability to hit and destroy fortifications, even when DNR/LNR forces are leading this.

Also, it's not WW2, a totally different war than Russia fought (or trained?) than in the past. There were advances yesterday and they are quite significant, so not sure why are you guys complaining now?

US and NATO i believe. Yeah they are just getting the guns and regular ammo, no signs of Excalibur yet.

OminousSpudd wrote:

There is literally an interception video from Belgorod with some chad on his way home who yells that "Russians don't give a f*ck!". Ukraine has nothing left to throw at Russia proper, and even when they pop off the odd Tochka all they get is jeers when it is blown out of the sky.

In the wider context, in a case, someone has not watched that - because it was funny
He was walking in the middle of the night I suppose, as the whole scene was empty.
There were some explosions in the background, being made by Ukrs, and he commented on the spot " Russkie don't give a f*ck!".
The whole scene made the guy filming that literally burst out of lough, so that represents the Russian attitude to the matter.

limb wrote:
So you're calling for genocide?
Russia can't waste money for years, and it can't allow the Ukrainians to calmy bombard and terrorize the Belgorod oblast.

Also how do you know that more Ukrainians are getting killed compared to in the first few weeks of the war?

No, he's just too into his WH40K

Arkanghelsk wrote:More than 260 Ukrainian soldiers have been evacuated from a steel plant in Mariupol, the country’s deputy defence minister said, after a weeks-long standoff with Russian forces in the besieged southern port city.

Anna Malyar said in the early hours of Tuesday that 53 seriously wounded fighters were taken from the Azovstal steelworks to a hospital in Novoazovsk, while an additional 211 fighters were evacuated to Olenivka through a humanitarian corridor.

An exchange would be worked out for their return home, she said.


Who are these being exchanged?

I wonder what is happening in Azovstal

There is talk of surrender but they are saying an exchange ?

Maybe this is the beginning, those 250 will eat and sleep , the rest of Azov will surrender soon when they see these guys in better conditions then them

The smell must be so rotten

Saying cheesy gangrene and corpse smell

And if theirs yanks there as shown in pics earlier I wonder what will become of them

"Evacuated"

Ukro regime are propagandists to their last breath. Now they're calling a march of the Azovites into captivity as an 'evacuation'.
Well whatever.

Shitstream here is masquerading that not only as "evacuation", but as a planned one, and performed with the command from the ukroregime
And beware the audience not to listen to Russkies narrative on the matter.

mnztr wrote:
Terrible to see such young men facing a long life with horrible injuries. Who knows if they were even given a choice to fight or not. Probably not.

Yes it's a tragedy, the fate of the Russophobes of Azovstal'

But the civilian population of Mariupol suffered more I think, and at the hands of the same Azov garrison that refused to let them out of the city, took them as literal human shields in buildings, by some accounts sniped and shot at civilians randomly over the course of the battle, and a bunch of other horrible things.

These crippled gentlemen in the photo ought to have surrendered before, then they wouldn't be missing an arm and a leg, and other people might have lived too.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
Nathan Ruser
@Nrg8000
Putin's War - May 16th Map Briefing.
Today there are unconfirmed but reliable reports that Ukrainian forces have crossed the Donets river near Kharkiv and taken up positions in 2 villages.
Russia captured a village near Lyman and Adiivka.
4th map shows recaptured land in yellow.

Another clown posting enemy propaganda....  

"Recaptured" land? This is nearly all territory vacated by Russia as they redeployed there forces to support the grinding opertaion in Donbass.

WTF is wrong with these guys?  They have been here for years and have been sensible forum members for that time, yet now they are actively spreading the most absurd Ukropi agitprop bullshit.  Look at that map...  The idiot who put it together expects us to belive that there are areas of liberated Lugansk oblast that the LPR doesn't control, or vast swathes of Kherson and Zaporizhya oblasts that Russian forces don't control...  Sheer unmitigated propaganda nonsense.

If only propaganda, this card would be nice. But unfortunately it is close to the truth with all sources.

Russia must finally see this as a war for survival, everyone. Ukraine is to be filled and pacified as a whole. Only if Russia has achieved this will NATO not do any more stupid things.

Every spot of Nazi Ukraine is an Idleb 2.0 and thus bilateral terrorist state which will attack Russia over and over again. Russia cannot punish NATO for this, so this ulcer must remove Ukraine.
Complete! Only that creates facts compared to the USA and CIA and others.

A Saying and making B also means C completely and not a little pregnant! The map shows that Russia is simply being heated. This does not work this way! So now complete war on the ground!

This works for 8 weeks now and nothing has been won except a few meters and a few losses of the Nazis. But weeds have to be pulled out completely including the root and not only by lawn mower!

All the western media i see use the word "Evacuation" but conveniently neglect to mention just WHO evacuated the Azov in the first place. Ukrainian sources are kinda more ridiculous using the word "rescue operation" but didnt mention WHO rescued them.

Ukrainian shows off Mi-8 and Mi-24's flying around yet they cannot repeat what they did in Belgorod in what supposedly their own territory Also they showed their MiG's + Su-27's but none of them are warding Russian fighters and bombers pummeling the Azovstal. and at the same time claiming Russians doesnt have air superiority. Their western backed ground forces cannot pull Kweires Airbase scenario for Azovstal either...

the last time a MiG from Ukraine was flying even near Donetsk, it was shot down moments not long after the showboating done with pics of it.