limb wrote: zorobabel wrote:There used to be a fear that Russia would march on Berlin shortly. Now they know Russia can't march on Slovyansk within 3 months. It's a joke. No one cares. Finland will join NATO, along with every western European state that hasn't yet chosen to do so.
Stop defending the stupidity for what it is. It's almost a joke. Enemies can establish WWI fortifications and it takes the RF seven weeks to knock them out with hundreds of artillery shells? The war should have been over two months ago.
Slow advance is worth it if there are few casualties. We have no way of knowing if the Russians have suffered lots of casualties.
I agree about the Russian army being humiliated.
It seems like china will probably stray away from Russia and follow western demands because they view Russia as a paper tiger for not being able to take a country with the economy of Gambia.
I disagree with regular that 200,000 forces are not enough .
the real problem here is not numbers , but tactics are wrong.
-The Russian military general staff tactics are inadequate which means lacking of quality.
-They operated in ukraine with total lack of combined arms support.
-They send columns of tanks alone , everywhere without recon first , without adequate air combat support.
-You can clearly see this bad tactics in how they allowed a destroyers to be sink , by a completely
inferior army with no navy. but also how ukraine could again and again fly helicopters deep inside russian territory bomb fuel depots and then return.
-s-400s totally useless in defending russian navy or defending russia airspace from mi-8 helicopters
. and the list goes on.
i mean this things don't happen by "Accident" this is very poor planning of the war .
or maybe is sabotage by russian general staff traitors , that are on purpose making this bad decisions. but my bet is on incompetence. they don't even send their military with manpads
what the heck..and you see all the time this cheap drones smashing russian tanks .
-The apologist point how ukriane was trainned by nato for 8 years.. but they forget
how russia had that time too to train. so giving excuses is not going to help the russian military.
- look how the russian army now got the great idea of arming orlan-10 drones with explosives..
amazing , how slow the russian general staff is , why it took them 8 years to do that ? they should have known that years ago ,and have a lot of orlan-10 drones , lets say 20,000 of them , and with the ability to deploy them from the air ,as if they were bombs..
Russia military should have known Ukraine was being armed by NATO and NATO was going to take advantage of their superior drone power and that ukraine was going to be armed with all their weapons.. so since 2014 that they took crimea ,and nato constant training of ukraine and sending weapons year and after year ,and refusing to implement minsk-2, and poroshenko ,then later zelensky saying they will capture crimea back , it shouldn't have been difficult to figure out NATO was planning to provoke a big war in ukraine.. they invested a lot of money there , and it was not for love of ukranians.. but to
provoke a war there.
-then as others have pointed. russia have failed to capture kharkiv a city right next on its borders..
right next to it.. what's going on here?
the only other possible explanation after saying is just pure incompetence of the military , is that
they just want to capture only donbass area and stay with that , and keep the conflict frozen. but im skeptic , because what is going Russia to do ,when those artillery strikes start hitting russian cities every day , and thanks to nato artillery all russian cities around ukraine becomes a new donbass?
if putin think , he can freeze this conflict somehow he is mistaken , russia will have to defeat ukraine
military is as simple as that , NATO is in ukraine to weaken russia ,nothing more and nothing less ,
and freezing the country is not in nato interest.. a vietnam in ukraine is. and because kiev don't control ukraine , NATO is the one who do this.. the putin will not have a chance to downscale this war until the ukraine government disband and military surrender.
Only the european union could stop US desires to keep the war ,but i doubt they will want to do that.
they arming ukraine with weapons and is for nothing.
My best guess is that NATO is arming and training over seas ,a very huge ukraine army with modern weapons ,and army of at least 100,000 new soldiers ,that will take by storm all this positions that russia military now controls.. the same kiev authorities is hinting that by august russia will lose the war.. so my bet is , there will be a massive big new frontline started against russia , possibly it could be transnistria or just donbass ,and then restart of the syrian war.. russia will be overwhelmed in many front lines , you will see.. and all this inadequate tactics in ukraine , not properly using combined arms support , not using electronic warfare , allowing ukraine to fly even civilian drones with bombs over russian positions , sending tanks convoys alone , very limited and poor use of drones across the entire battlefield to guide their artillery , is the reason that russia have been halted their advances across most of battlefields and retreats in kiev and kharkov too.. the entire north east borders of ukraine , will be used to bomb russian cities.. with long range artillery ,so what is russia going to do then?
The most difficult times for russia are yet to come.. perhaps russia is planning to use tactical nuclear weapons? when their cities shelled every day and don't stop ? and defeat the ukraine military using tactical nukes?
what i see is a russian military operating at the limits of its capacities already. against a much inferior army. and the incapability of russia dominating ukraine airspace with combat jets and drones plays a major role on this. if russia plans to win in this war , they need to dominate ukraine airspace period , otherwise every week in ukraine ,they will face massive losses to ukraine new nato artillery and endless supply of drones they will get that will be guiding ukros artillery..
Russian tactics are super obsolete ,trying to win wars only with artillery and cruise missiles and sending their convoys without adequate air close support.. those ka-52 are totally vulnerable to anything , they are very expensive and should not be used in the front line but behind , they need rotations of dozens of cheap drones combined with strike drones ,24 hours flying around, russian army positions ,specially when then advancing or retreating . and they need also dozens of spy drones searching for those ukros artillery positions hiding in bushes. Russia also need decoys ,that are thrown in the airspace and looks like drones ,could be civilians quadcopters to force ukros military to waste their airdefenses and manpads.. and if they not shot down ,they can provide intel of ukros movements up to 50 km away of russian positions. is tactics.. russian tactics are ouotdated already , not adequate for 21 century fights. And the proof of this ,is that now , 8 years later ,they come with the brilliant idea of arm with bombs those orlan-10 drones.. better late than never?
unbelievable ..
if this conflict ever ends , russia general staff needs to be replaced for younger people , and the entire airforce modernized to work together always with drones.. tanks t-90 and t-72 armed with one drone ,working with dronoes, su-25 working with drones, ka-52 working with drones.. every military unit working with drones.. warships working with drones that hunt other drones.. special forces , working with micro drones , to keep and eye around their positions ,and so on. this is the most versatile weapons in the battlefield ,can be armed with a grenade , put a cable or artificial intelligence and can't be jammed, can be used as kamikazi , can be useful as decoys , as distraction , as psicological warfare too ,forcing soldiers to hide thinking is guiding artillery.. and so on.
in short russia military needs as much as possible ,real time information of ukraine army positions from the airspace and every one of their troops and artillery concentrations movements , to really take advantage of their artillery forces power.. before they use their artillery , not allow them to even do duels with russia ,other wise is missing opportunities and allowing the enemy to hit their positions.
as it happened during the bridge crossing ,that one drone spot the russian army crossing it , then ukro artillery quickly smash them. Russian army is not taking very seriously the control and total domination of ukraine airspace.
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Ukrainian sources are kinda more ridiculous using the word "rescue operation" but didnt mention WHO rescued them.
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