Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18

diabetus wrote:

ok remind me which T-62M has a pretty modern FCS and at least thermal optics for the gunner?

as an example - the Ukrainians offered a number of AG mods for various tanks for export >>
These include several T-55 AGM variants that came with 120mm-125mm main guns - all with thermal optics and could all fire ATGM's.
The T-62 came in even more variants - from the basic AG to the more advanced AGM's that were also armed with 120mm-125mm main guns - all with thermal sights and again being missile firing tanks.

"Nothing has to change"



Damage control artists never fail to disappoint. Although I do sympathize, it's their job after all. When you have to type that sort of garbage day in, day out... Jesus!

A disgrace and national embarrassment is "totally normal"

PapaDragon wrote:
Why didn't morons at VKS purchase them decades ago?

According to the posts, they had manual trolleys mostly. Russian army uses Ant 3000 (plenty of other domestic or Chinese manufacturers), but they are also too bulky for this usage and not enough provided and it's not just the bombs that need transporting as I thought. They say it makes life for the maintenance crew so much easier. No point to work like you are on aircraft carrier.

Arrow wrote:Putin agreed to the Odessa corridor of Ukrainian grain ships.

All we need now is for the Donbass to be liberated and then bask in the glorious political solution. Looking forward to the marvelous spin.

Surprise commitments changes for full regime change and a Kiev takeover continue to diminish, unfortunately.

Hole wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:...Russian Defense Ministry: Russian Armed Forces purposefully did not open fire on the retreating forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Svyatogorsk

https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14836551

Who the f*ck authorized this and when is he getting court martialed?

Wars are lost because of shit like this

Every single KIA on the Russian side in that region going forward is now on Russians and every single corpse that drops had it coming

I´m proud of the russian servicemen not to open fire at defenceless enemies. This would be similar like shooting a wounded or drowning a sailor after his ship was sunk. Had they done it they would be at the same level as the Nazis they´re fighting.

To be clear: If this guys grab weapons and return to some trench behind the river, they will be killed by artillery.

Not how NATO, Israel, UK, or America fights wars and not how you win wars either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death
Does it show charity or a complete contempt for the value of your own soldiers lives? Those retreating soldiers are not surrendering; they are living to fight (and kill) another day.

PapaDragon wrote:
Last 3 decades

It's a fuckin tragedy that it didn't sink instead of Moskva, that one was getting the torch anyway but rusted bathtub will be eating the funds for decades to come with jack shit to show for

And forklifts? Those had to be donated?

Why didn't morons at VKS purchase them decades ago?

Yes, both forklifts were bought with donated money.
When you think about it, that ship ate billions.

Hole wrote:
Nothing has to change. Do you guys really think there are no weapon lifts at russian air bases or that they need some tablets or phones? The civilian population wants do to their part and sends stuff and the military is appreciating it. I´m pretty sure there are also food donations or people lining up to cook meals or wash dishes but this doesn´t mean that there are not enough military cooks available.

These things are bought specifically per request. Scroll through the Fighterbomber tg timeline and you'll see. I doubt that some random civilians would buy forklift of all things, just for the heck of it. Laser rangefinders and night vision devices are bought for forward observers.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have created the necessary conditions for the functioning of two maritime humanitarian corridors, which are safe lanes for the movement of ships:

in the Black Sea (daily from 08:00 to 19:00 (Moscow time) – to exit the ports of Kherson, Nikolaev, Chernomorsk, Ochakov, Odessa and Yuzhny in a south-westerly direction from the territorial sea of Ukraine with a length of 139 miles and a width of 3 miles;

in the Sea of Azov (around the clock) – to exit the port of Mariupol with a length of 115 miles and a width of 2 miles in the direction of the Black Sea. Detailed information on the functioning of the maritime humanitarian corridors is transmitted daily every 15 minutes via VHF radio on 14 and 16 international channels in English and Russian. The Kiev authorities continue to avoid in every possible way interaction with representatives of foreign states and ship-owning companies in resolving the issue of ensuring the safe exit of blocked vessels to the collection area. At the same time, there remains a danger to navigation and damage to the port infrastructure from the drift of Ukrainian mines torn from their anchors along the coast of the Black Sea states. The Russian Federation is taking a full range of measures to ensure the safety of civil navigation in the waters of the Black and Azov Seas.

Full text of the statement of the Interdepartmental Coordination Headquarters for Humanitarian Response #Ministry of Defense #Russia #Ukraine @mod_russia

caveat emptor wrote:

Hole wrote:
Nothing has to change. Do you guys really think there are no weapon lifts at russian air bases or that they need some tablets or phones? The civilian population wants do to their part and sends stuff and the military is appreciating it. I´m pretty sure there are also food donations or people lining up to cook meals or wash dishes but this doesn´t mean that there are not enough military cooks available.

These things are bought specifically per request. Scroll through the Fighterbomber tg timeline and you'll see. I doubt that some random civilians would buy forklift of all things, just for the heck of it. Laser rangefinders and night vision devices are bought for forward observers.

You're really pushing this narrative aren't you. That the Russian military is running on donations.

With the normalization of shipping, it's doubtful that Odessa will be attacked

More likely the donbass is the limit of the Special Military Operation

Normal shipping means that we assume the resumption of commercial activity in the Black Sea

It means normalization of trade and shipping norms in the area

The Special Operation is partially running on donations. An individual could give a break for foodstuff and textiles but also for military off-the-shelf equipment too? Fvck out here.

Get mad if you want, throw a hissy fit in rage if you want, it's the reality. It looks bad because it's bad. Suck it up pussy. Instead of being upset at those bringing it to light and bringing visibility to it the fanboys should really be mad at the 50, 60, 70 year olds in charge of this operation and Russia's military planning and procurement process (just the start really, the buck stops, always, with the commander in chief - aka dear leader).

ATLASCUB wrote:The Special Operation is partially running on donations. An individual could give a break for foodstuff and textiles but also for military off-the-shelf equipment too? Fvck out here.

Get mad if you want, throw a hissy fit in rage if you want, it's the reality. It looks bad because it's bad. Suck it up pussy. Instead of being upset at those bringing it to light and bringing visibility to it the fanboys should really be mad at the 50, 60, 70 year olds in charge of this operation and Russia's military planning and procurement process (just the start really, the buck stops, always, with the commander in chief - aka dear leader).

Yeah, you make good points

That's why most Russians were in rage the first weeks and months of SMO

Look, we know well, and Russians know it

That the leadership is not the best, in fact most Russians didn't think Putin shits Gold

- what Russians tacitly agree on however,

Is that there is no other alternative

That's how fucked the country was and still is in many ways

Who do you replace the current leadership with?

Fucking navalny? We barely got the oligarchs out

Grudinin and the KPRF clowns are at best the ones who fucking dissolved the Union and gave away the geopolitical and economic system of Russia , for FREE

So no to KPRF

The LDPR? I like them personally but still its fringe

Liberasts? No fucking way

And then you get to the truth of the matter, United Russia, and Putin

Look if you think America has a boomer problem, Russia has an even bigger one

The amount of old fucks who are naive soviet byproducts are the main voters of United Russia along with the Middle aged cohort

The overwhelming majority are these old fucks that want their pensions, and way of life, and middle aged people that want stability

So the social contract, is no extreme changes for the sake of having a normal day, and it's gone on for 20 + years and most of these middle aged people, are not gonna risk it , because there IS NO other option

Russia is fucked in many ways, and hopefully it can change

But we are stuck with what we have, and I won't change it for Grudinin or God forbid a color revolt led by liberasts

Backman wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Hole wrote:
Nothing has to change. Do you guys really think there are no weapon lifts at russian air bases or that they need some tablets or phones? The civilian population wants do to their part and sends stuff and the military is appreciating it. I´m pretty sure there are also food donations or people lining up to cook meals or wash dishes but this doesn´t mean that there are not enough military cooks available.

These things are bought specifically per request. Scroll through the Fighterbomber tg timeline and you'll see. I doubt that some random civilians would buy forklift of all things, just for the heck of it. Laser rangefinders and night vision devices are bought for forward observers.

You're really pushing this narrative aren't you. That the Russian military is running on donations.

People overexaggerate. I'm seeing it here, telegram and what not. Russia did fine in start with no donations. Just people helping in some things that may take longer than needed because politics.

Anyway, don't worry about it. Those number of items are very small so maybe some were needed.

PapaDragon wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:...Russian Defense Ministry: Russian Armed Forces purposefully did not open fire on the retreating forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Svyatogorsk

https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14836551

Who the f*ck authorized this and when is he getting court martialed?

Wars are lost because of shit like this

Every single KIA on the Russian side in that region going forward is now on Russians and every single corpse that drops had it coming

No it's just mercy being applied in a sort of grey area

Troops that are retreating and unarmed are often left alone in any conflict. You don't have to. It's not against the Geneva conventions to open fire on a retreating enemy even if they are not returning fire or are unable to. But it is something that you can see observed depending on the conflict.
In WW2 you saw this with tank crews bailing from tanks not being shot and being allowed to flee.. even if it meant that they would man another tank another day. Most likely more on the Western front than the Eastern.
Or in the same WW2 - parachuting pilots; even if bailing above their own territory, the unvoiced law was that a pilot should not be touched when he has ejected - and it was observed by pretty much every side save the Japanese. There was actually some big debate about this in Britain at the time as I recall, about whether it was acceptable to kill an ejected pilot if he has parachuted out over friendly to him territory, but the consensus was that it wasn't. Granted in that case the pilot has no ability to surrender anyway, he is simply helpless.

On the other hand paratroopers that are being dropped in somewhere are always engaged and this is accepted. Although they are indeed effectively unarmed during their approach, they are not in retreat, but are being deployed and will open fire, pursue their objectives once they hit the ground.