Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18

calripson wrote:

Hole wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:...Russian Defense Ministry: Russian Armed Forces purposefully did not open fire on the retreating forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Svyatogorsk

https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14836551

Who the f*ck authorized this and when is he getting court martialed?

Wars are lost because of shit like this

Every single KIA on the Russian side in that region going forward is now on Russians and every single corpse that drops had it coming

I´m proud of the russian servicemen not to open fire at defenceless enemies. This would be similar like shooting a wounded or drowning a sailor after his ship was sunk. Had they done it they would be at the same level as the Nazis they´re fighting.

To be clear: If this guys grab weapons and return to some trench behind the river, they will be killed by artillery.

Not how NATO, Israel, UK, or America fights wars and not how you win wars either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death
Does it show charity or a complete contempt for the value of your own soldiers lives? Those retreating soldiers are not surrendering; they are living to fight (and kill) another day.

Backman wrote:
You're really pushing this narrative aren't you. That the Russian military is running on donations.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:The Special Operation is partially running on donations. An individual could give a break for foodstuff and textiles but also for military off-the-shelf equipment too? Fvck out here.

Get mad if you want, throw a hissy fit in rage if you want, it's the reality. It looks bad because it's bad. Suck it up pussy. Instead of being upset at those bringing it to light and bringing visibility to it the fanboys should really be mad at the 50, 60, 70 year olds in charge of this operation and Russia's military planning and procurement process (just the start really, the buck stops, always, with the commander in chief - aka dear leader).

Yeah, you make good points

That's why most Russians were in rage the first weeks and months of SMO

Look, we know well, and Russians know it

That the leadership is not the best, in fact most Russians didn't think Putin shits Gold

- what Russians tacitly agree on however,

Is that there is no other alternative

That's how fucked the country was and still is in many ways

Who do you replace the current leadership with?

Fucking navalny? We barely got the oligarchs out

Grudinin and the KPRF clowns are at best the ones who fucking dissolved the Union and gave away the geopolitical and economic system of Russia , for FREE

So no to KPRF

The LDPR? I like them personally but still its fringe

Liberasts? No fucking way

And then you get to the truth of the matter, United Russia, and Putin

Look if you think America has a boomer problem, Russia has an even bigger one

The amount of old fucks who are naive soviet byproducts are the main voters of United Russia along with the Middle aged cohort

The overwhelming majority are these old fucks that want their pensions, and way of life, and middle aged people that want stability

So the social contract, is no extreme changes for the sake of having a normal day, and it's gone on for 20 + years and most of these middle aged people, are not gonna risk it , because there IS NO other option

Russia is fucked in many ways, and hopefully it can change

But we are stuck with what we have, and I won't change it for Grudinin or God forbid a color revolt led by liberasts

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:The Special Operation is partially running on donations. An individual could give a break for foodstuff and textiles but also for military off-the-shelf equipment too? Fvck out here.

Get mad if you always, with the commander in chief - aka dear leader).

Yeah, you

Backman wrote:
Russian artillery firing at Ukraine from Russian territory will be a justified target for destruction by HIMARS missile systems, - US Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor

So it's being sent to hit Russia. Which is fine. The Russian security council will stick to its word and the regime will feel it in Kiev

Mir wrote:

diabetus wrote:

In all fairness though, those M60s are more advanced than any T-62M.

Not entirely true >>

The smooth-bore 115mm gun on the T-62 is quite powerful compared to the 105mm and in the right circumstances proved quite deadly.

In the Iran–Iraq War, Iraqi T-62s performed well against the Iranian tanks, including the M60A1s and Chieftains. In Operation Nasr, the biggest tank battle of the war, Iran lost 214 Chieftain and M60A1 tanks, while Iraq lost 45 T-62s. Approximately 200 T-62s were lost in the entire war. Chieftains were armed with a very powerful 120mm rifled gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-62#Service_history

Many upgrades on the T-62's were offered for export - for example the Ukrainian T-62AG with a 125mm gun and much improved armour protection and FCS.

calripson wrote:The textbook case of air superiority was the First Gulf War. Hundreds of aircraft were used in a carefully orchestrated attack to suppress what was at the time a very large air defense network with multiple redundancies and hundreds of SAM launchers and hundreds of aircraft. Only one allied aircraft was lost to air -to-air combat (an F-18 shot down by a Mig 25). 51 fixed winged aircraft and 23 helicopters were lost primarily to AAA and manpads. The successful suppression dependent upon five key technological advantages:

1. The use of stealth technology aircraft
2. The superiority of the coalition in ECM/ECCM, radar, and avionics
3. Superior technological situational awareness via space, air, and land-based means
4. Secure communication channels and the ability to intercept and decrypt enemy communications
5. Strikes with cruise missiles against high value targets

In the current Ukrainian conflict, it is likely that Russia does not enjoy superiority in number 3 or 4 over NATO supported Ukraine and has limited ability in factor 1. Even using legacy Soviet systems, it is apparent that Ukraine is being aided in factor 2 also. Only in factor 5 does Russia actually surpass Western militaries. The end result is Russia does not have air dominance. The entire Western (and Israeli) model of war depends 100% on air dominance. Thus, it is not surprising given the resources devoted to this end that they have very advanced systems. The root origin of this dominance is superiority in microelectronics dating back decades. Stealth technology was of course invented (in terms of the mathematical algorithms) in the USSR - idiotically published in open-source documents - and developed and matured in the West.

flamming_python wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

Arrow wrote:Putin agreed to the Odessa corridor of Ukrainian grain ships.

All we need now is for the Donbass to be liberated and then bask in the glorious political solution. Looking forward to the marvelous spin.

Surprise commitments changes for full regime change and a Kiev takeover continue to diminish, unfortunately.

I don't see Russia backing down on its objectives of demilitarization and denazification of the Ukraine. And those objectives are not limited to the Donbass, they apply to all Ukrainian territory

Why would Russia back down when it has a winning game plan for the military side of things, and the Western attempts at crushing its economy have failed?
It's now Russia's turn to take the counter-offensive to Kiev's backers, not provide them an off-ramp after they literally just attempted to destroy Russia and give it the Serbia treatment.

If they want to provide a corridor to grain ships leaving Odessa - I don't see any problem with it, it can help depress grain prices on the world market. This is a humanitarian/economic cargo and I don't see any threat in letting it leave the Ukraine through Russian-blockaded waters. Putin BTW has just recently met with the chairman of the African Union. The bigger problem is probably the mines that the Ukraine itself deployed around Odessa.

calripson wrote:The USSR lag in microelectronics dates back to the invention of the transistor and semiconductor. Putin didn't invent this issue, but he certainly didn't close the gap.

kvs wrote:

calripson wrote:The USSR lag in microelectronics dates back to the invention of the transistor and semiconductor. Putin didn't invent this issue, but he certainly didn't close the gap.

People need to buy a clue.   Russia has no lag in military IC design and production.   That it does not produce "7 nm" consumer and HPC scalar processors has zero relevance
for its military capability.  

The talk of Russia stripping refrigerators for CPUs is pap for retards.

Isos wrote:

owais.usmani wrote:

Since they don't have a 100% reliabity like any product, if you fire 100 of them you will get some fails. This one is clearly one.

ATLASCUB wrote:

Kinda funny how you've come around to understanding why the scope can not be limited after arguing for so long to the contrary along the propaganda of the time.

I hope that too but the political/diplomatic/military signals just don't point to it. It's what it's. We'll see for sure. I hope you're right. Tolerating that regime under any political solution is crazy!

flamming_python wrote:

Nope, you keep getting me confused for somebody else

Once again, ever since the negotiations failed in Istanbul and the Bucha, Kramatorsk shit was pulled, I've been adamant about Russia completing its stated objectives in full, and over the entirety of Ukrainian territory.

Hole wrote:https://thesaker.is/how-blaming-putin-is-helping-putin/
The blame Putin for anything will backfire massively.