Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18

mnztr wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

That is not obvious at all. We are dealing here with Russian military production and not US or NATzO grift.

https://www.rt.com/russia/556942-language-discrimination-ukraine-oppression/

Language oppression is often the precursor or parallel of political, ethnic and other oppression.
The above link is an account by RT of how the scummy "Ukrainian" nationalists ie puppets of NATO were long long LONNNNNG overdue a good kicking.

Imagine being made to feel like a foreigner in what was your land for the last 1100 years!

Still, the pondlife that controlled the Pukraine will soon be learning a new word. Re-Russification !

kvs wrote:

mnztr wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

That is not obvious at all.   We are dealing here with Russian military production and not US or NATzO grift.

Probably even Soviet era production - which would make the missile practically free!
Besides even a "rinky dinky drone" can cause some serious damage if it's allowed to roam free as we've seen a couple of times already.

d_taddei2 wrote:
If u mean Frog-7 forget it it's very old out of service and very inaccurate. Tochka and smerch  is good enough for them. Or get Belarus to send them Polonez.

I think he meant Frog as in French

Situation with shelling of civilians in Donbass is getting beyoned ridiculous right now. If there was ever a moment to hit " decision making centers" in Kiev, it is now.
Otherwise it is all empty threats

The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

PapaDragon wrote:
Absolutely not

Civilians need to remember for all eternity what awaits them if they even think of staying​ passive ever again

And Ukrainian leadership must live long, happy and wealthy lives in the West after this as a reminder to Ukrops of their real place in the world

It's easy for you to say that from Serbia.
Civilians in Donbass already know who are they dealing with. And many Ukrainian civilians actually support this shelling.

Star No1 is definitely Ka-52.

Another video from Russian defense ministry and so for the best video of Ka-52 in action.....
(RuTube only - can't find it on youtube)

https://rutube.ru/video/19468894af3a14323402ba5cb5306720/

Mir wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:
If u mean Frog-7 forget it it's very old out of service and very inaccurate. Tochka and smerch  is good enough for them. Or get Belarus to send them Polonez.

I think he meant Frog as in French

Yup, I meant the French.

mnztr wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

Taking out that drone could be the difference between Russian troops receiving a barrage of artillery from Ukraine or not. It's not as if we are talking about S-400 taking out a drone, sa-13 is designed to take out short range targets and although carry a slightly larger warhead than a MANPAD I would still say it's well worth taking out that drone.

And techiia foundation(NGO) are fundraising to purchase a furia drone the cost is $132,645. So I would imagine it's actually more expensive than a SA-13 missile.

GarryB wrote:

Maybe, or he will flee to Florida. I mean, he will be more useful dead to the US than him being alive and all. But if they do kill him off, it may raise too many eyebrows.

Did you have to repost that conversation to make that comment?

I edited it out now.

Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?

Broski wrote:

Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?

They can't restart production in Russia, as originally, plane was built in Georgia. I believe that building a new model would be better, unless they plan on going with drones instead.

caveat emptor wrote:

Broski wrote:

Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?

They can't restart production in Russia, as originally, plane was built in Georgia. I believe that building a new model would be better, unless they plan on going with drones instead.

Only 1 version was made in Georgia. Dual seater variant was made in Russia. They could simply opt for a single seat by filling second seat with avionics.

But the attempt was technically Yak-130 but that failed due to high costs and general lack of protection.

Western fervor for Ukraine has been losing steam. Western leaders do not take into account that today's societies are marked by immediacy and novelty. They do not support important causes; precisely because of the moral emptiness that they themselves have caused.
There are no "sacred" causes and quickly lose interest as if it were a commercial product. Now, let's see how they deal with inflation and the economic destruction they caused.

Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

Various sources say Russia has up to 250 SU-25. Not sure if there is a need to do more then upgrade them, and the heavy drone will probably be its successor.

d_taddei2 wrote:

mnztr wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

Taking out that drone could be the difference between Russian troops receiving a barrage of artillery from Ukraine or not. It's not as if we are talking about S-400 taking out a drone, sa-13 is designed to take out short range targets and although carry a slightly larger warhead than a MANPAD I would still say it's well worth taking out that drone.

And techiia foundation(NGO) are fundraising to purchase a furia drone the cost is $132,645. So I would imagine it's actually more expensive than a SA-13 missile.

Sure but that is why patsir is idea, as it has the gun option. I think you will see more autocannons on tactical air defence as they would be ideal for drone swarms

Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

Yes and no. They are fighting a enemy that has no real air power and their AD aren't good against low flying planes which can easily sustain damages from manpads. So very good against such enemies.

But against an enemy with r-77 or amraam or meteors su-25 would be following from the skies daily. It's a pretty easy target with slow speed and big rcs. Against such enemies they will use drones with stealthy design to drop bombs undetected.

Most likely wars to happen are the ones against weaker enemies so su-25 has still a long future. China and NATO aren't gonna attack Russia any day soon, they are the only one that have a chance to keep their plane flying effecyively for a long time in a war with Russia.

But the drone may just replace it totally. If okhotnik is as cheap as 10 million $ then smaller drones will be even more cheaper. A modern su-25SM3 is not as cheap to produce a su-25.