Foreign mercenaries sentenced to death
The west will do their best to paint these men as innocent victims, but it is for the locals to decide their fate... they went there to kill.
High podium like seats for the jury and judges, a section for official committee to oversee the legality of the trail with officials from China, Kazakhstan, Russia, DNR, LNR and maybe India. Another section of families who lost family members from 8 years of getting killed by Ukro-fascists.
For foreign mercs... they clearly tried these men fairly swiftly... because they are obviously guilty.
Save the show trials for the higher ups who can incriminate some important western officials.... but the western media will never play anything worth a damn anyway, and they will treat it like the political circus the west has at the Hague.
All the while claiming that because it is not held in the Hague it is not valid of course...
I am really disappointed. Russians are garbage at PR, Propaganda or even marketing. That was always our Achilles heel.
They are not as good as the west because they have ethics and morals that are not for sale...
The west will outright lie... totally make things up and then a month later will mention in some tiny corner of their website that they were wrong and they think that is good enough.
It results in politicians like Boris Johnson who wont resign no matter what he gets caught doing or saying...
International fury as two Brits Shaun Pinner, 48, and Aiden Aslin, 28, are sentenced to death by Russian separatists after they joined the Ukrainian army and were captured during the siege of Mariupol
They are Ukrainian separatists... they want to join the Russian federation but have not done so yet...
If you listen to western news reports these men were innocent victims of evil Russia...
The three men said they will appeal the decision, Tass reported. The court is not internationally recognised, the BBC reported
It does not need to be internationally recognised... if you go to another country and commit crimes there they don't need an international court to try you... and international laws do not apply.
A No 10 spokesman said: 'We have said continually that prisoners of war shouldn't be exploited for political purposes. You will know that under the Geneva Convention prisoners of war are entitled to combatant immunity and they should not be prosecuted for participation in hostilities.
'So we will continue to work with the Ukrainian authorities to try and secure the release of any British nationals who were serving in the Ukrainian armed forces and who are being held as prisoners of war.'
Will be interesting to see the effect this will have on other brits and foreigners working in the Ukraine at the moment for the Kiev military..... will they double down or will they make a run for it...
About these foreign fighters , what does Geneva convention say about them ?
They are mercenaries and have no protection under international law... in fact Russia could go a step further like the US has and say that because they do not legitimately fight for a country they could be sent to a Guantanimo Bay type holding place without charge indefinitely...
The relatives of these poor misguided souls or war criminals , should see their MP , and push for stop to " lethal aid " , in exchange for their release ? Or reduction of sentence ?
These are the first and wont be the last... the real question of course is what was heard in the trial... what war crimes were these men accused of and found guilty of... there might not be any grounds for trade.... they might deserve the death penalty.
Information war is extremely important too , it can help your military ,to convince your enemies
to stop fighting , and give up early , or even surrender.
The information war is being lost by the west in Russia which is where it matters.... anyone suggesting a soft stance to get back into the wests good books they can now trot out copius examples of war crimes filmed and posted by their Ukrainian brothers... cutting off testicles and gouging out eye balls and reminding the Russian people that the west has access to this footage too and chooses to ignore it... the west thinks their Ukrainian allies are freedom fighters saving the west from Russian aggression... there is no future for Russia with the west.
In comparison right now Kiev is winning the war in the western media but only by default, and they can only continue to mention how many thousands of Russian fighters have been shot down by the Ghost of Kiev before people start to question how they can carry on... they have run out of everything already... missiles, shells, fuel, aircraft, tanks, soldiers... why are Kievs forces on at the gates of Moscow already... and that is another thing... they want it all done yesterday... it needs to be over as fast as possible... they don't care if it is half done... they want victory and then the next bad guy to take on.
But the far west needs to be forced
into Poland to prevent a proxy state that can wash the hands of NATzO from direct responsibility for biological and
nuclear attacks.
Yes, for Russia the core problem with the Ukraine was that they weren't part of HATO so could work on bio weapons and nazism and nuclear weapons and all sorts of shit the west is not allowed to do... as shown in their hospitals... their children and young men and women would be a good source of body parts for aging western countries where hearts and livers and kidneys are damaged every day by our decadence.
Not a lot better than it being part of HATO with missiles and listening posts, but weapons and equipment based so far forward is easy to target and destroy in WWIII because when fighting HATO you can use nukes... it is not capture it is elimination of a threat.
"admiral" Olson - even if captured - is a fuckin' nobody. Retired 11 years ago.
And 70+ y/o. What an achievement!
The Americans will piss blood to get him out of there... look at how many precious helicopters they forced Kiev to send for failed rescues...
He is an embarassment and I hope the Russians exploit it to the full.
The DPR government has been dismissed and replaced with #Russian appointed officials, reports the spokesman of the #Mariupol mayor. The newly appointed head of the of the DPR is Russian Vitaliy Khotsenko, who was handpicked by the Russian government.
Yes... of course... the Donbass is a Russian puppet state that Russia has complete control over that is fighting to steal land and gain resources, whereas Kiev is a totally independent democracy fighting for the survival and peace and stability of Europe... Oops... no... reverse that... Kiev is the puppet state and Russia lets the Donbass handle its own affairs... as far as Russia is concerned some foreign mercenaries would be valuable chips in the poker game they are currently playing, but these foreigners committed their crimes against the Donbass and not against Russia despite what Kiev wants you to think.
Link doesn't lead to the story however https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/09/russian-officials-take-office-in-separatist-eastern-ukraine-a77944. The Chief Minister of Donetsk was replaced by the President of Donetsk, with a Russian technocrat along with 2 other Russians in the new Donetsk cabinet. By the way "the Mariupol mayor" fled to Kiev before the Mariupol was placed under siege. He has been replaced, by the ex head of Azovstol, as the new mayor by the Donetsk government.
Hahaha... themoscowtimes... baltic bullshit propaganda... confirmed lie.
They are getting shot not hanged so support is kinda redundant, ain't it?
Hilarious.... especially considering the minister is Liz Truss... or is she changing her name to Lis because Zeds are banned.
Under the Mariupol "Azovstal" a single underground city was not found
Is there anything those nazis don't lie about?
Where did you get this text from?
Would guess the site he posted a quoted link to above that...
Except for one argument - namely that they surrendered willingly, and on the backdrop of a Russian & DNR promise that the lives of everyone who surrenders will be guaranteed. AFAIK, Russia & the DNR did not appeal to certain categories of fighters or add any qualifiers or conditions; they addressed all combatants in Mariupol with the same offer by default.
Therefore executing them now will essentially be going back on their word. But it's important for Russia and the DNR to keep to their word and show that they are ready to implement what they announce.
They have an appeals process... giving them the death penalty first sends a message to other foreign fighters thinking they can murder Ukrainians (Donbass et al) (rebels and civilians) and Russians and just walk away back to their home countries. Especially after no doubt witnessing Ukrainian civilians being targeted as being war crimes they were complicit with...
Yeah, makes a world of sense. Its no wonder that Western presstitute scribblers don't get it...
The Smilie Stealthflanker used suggests he understood what was happening and was essentially making the same point you make... but in fewer words...
My emoji meaning not upset at all... no problem.
There was someone a couple pages ago who said that regime changing the govt in Ukraine won't work. The US tried it in Vietnam , Afghanistan Iraq ect. And I somewhat agreed.
But today I realized that the US has in fact conducted successful regime changes before. Like Ukraine in 2014. They took the country and made a Nazi dictatorship out of it with full buy-in from the whole military.
I think this is because Ukraine is European soil with European ppl. It's just different than the ME or Asia. If the US can regime change Kiev , so can Russia.
I'm on the full regime change train again
The political structure in the Ukraine is infested with foreign citizens from America and in the past has even included a criminal ex Georgian leader and tie eater... they need a serious clean out of the wrong people and replacement with people who genuinely care about the Ukrainian people and not so much moving money from the country to foreign bank accounts they can access. They don't need to be pro Russia, but they can't be pro west and have to be pro ukrainian people... pro all of them including and especially the russian speaking ones.
but i post not much , because there is so putin dick suckers in the forums, t and attack me all the time for telling the facts ,they don't like to listen.
You know that weirdo on the bus that is really creepy and smells bad and you wouldn't trust to turn your back on... if you don't then that weirdo is probably you.
But of course everyone on the internet is wrong about Putin and only you are right Vann... it is obvious to everyone.
Some of them, surely.
But not all.
The Moroccan guy, for example, was just a student who joined the ranks, as that paid his tuition. At least if we hear his testimonies.
The Brit has a Ukrainian wife, lives there for years, and enlisted in the regular army.
None of them seems to be a nazi scum, both surrendered voluntarily.
If they are going to apply the death sentence to folks like them, what will be left for real nazi mercs who came there for safari hunting Russkies?
Of course they are innocent victims in all this and having a Ukrainian wife means killing other Ukrainian rebels and civilians and also Russian soldiers is just fine.
By definition they are mercs and death penalties are normal for such actions... hell the German army executed all Soviet women soldiers... in uniform... they don't talk about that much now but that is a direct violation of the Geneva convention right there...
I agree with you, whilst understanding the urge for revenge, death is too harsh for these guys. For example those two Brits were there to be with their wives who, due to UK immigration rules, were not allowed to live in the UK. With the military one of the few jobs open to them and at the time just a low level civil war running in Donbas.
Look at what the US did to Maria Butina... and that Russian pilot in Thailand who didn't operate in the US... if Russian mercenaries were found in Iraq or Afghanistan they would not be treated well... they likely would not have bothered capturing them alive.
The 3 guys won't be killed. They were santenced to death only to oblige the west deal with Donbass directly which will be some sort of recognition of the DNR republic. However if they don't propose any exchange then they will be killed or jailed for ever.
I suspect it is a political message to other mercs in the Ukraine... including the large number of US or western born people holding positions of power withing the Kiev government....
In total it was a potent combination, and not something Russia can replicate, certainly not in a time of war and antagonism.
They admit themselves that they spent 5 billion US dollars on that... once you get power it doesn't take much to make opposition illegal and kick it out of elections, and then you just start putting your people into positions of power everywhere and pretty soon the locals will do as they are told.
Tracking down who did what shouldn't be too hard and replacing the monsters with normal people shouldn't be that hard either... I suspect Ukraine will become two parts where one part is forced to be neutral and is the north and west, while the south and east is more likely to be Russia friendly. Any nazi or pro EU or pro HATO or pro US parties can be banned and go from there.
The Ukrainian people can sort most of it out with support from Russia... and the reward will be trade with Russia and helping them out of poverty and corruption.
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Russia future could be more similar to qatar ,becoming very wealthy and very empty , nation ,because is highly under populated. but contrary to qatar , russia will face total sanctions to its real development , because most high tech will continue being in control of the collective west and china ,that is partially part of it , will not want to be sanctioned its business too , and follow the sanctions and not providing russia with western tech , under sanctions and even chinese tech is under question too , that the west have plenty of ways to pressure china in not helping russia.
