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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
owais.usmani- Posts : 1825
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
owais.usmani Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:27 pm
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flamming_python wrote:Here is another piece of war propaganda, advocating for the destruction of the Crimean bridge (seems that's the Kiev regime's latest scheme)
https://nypost.com/2022/06/03/we-must-stop-russias-land-bridge-to-crimea-now/
But what's encouraging here is all the cold water poured on the hawk author in the comments section, with American after American opining that they don't want war with Russia, and that this is all a European problem.
Dunno, if the Wehrmacht lobs a rocket at the Crimea bridge the war may soon reach an end. Such an attack would more than justify decapitating the Ukrainian high command.
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https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1537786002542141440?cxt=HHwWgIC94ZiOqNcqAAAA
Zelensky says he's drafting a million men, but so far there have been 4 waves of mobilization, with 60k, 60k, 70k, and 100k. Given that they are still conscripting and shipping guys off to the front with a week of training, it's likely that this is mostly just replacement.
NOTE: if these numbers are correct
- 240,000 armed forces to start
- 60,000 national guard
- 42,000 border guards
- 130,000 territorial defense
- 290,000 reserves call up (from post above)
- special forces and police units from the Interior Ministry
- whatever has been conscripted or volunteered since the start of the SMO
Zelensky says he's drafting a million men, but so far there have been 4 waves of mobilization, with 60k, 60k, 70k, and 100k. Given that they are still conscripting and shipping guys off to the front with a week of training, it's likely that this is mostly just replacement.
NOTE: if these numbers are correct
- 240,000 armed forces to start
- 60,000 national guard
- 42,000 border guards
- 130,000 territorial defense
- 290,000 reserves call up (from post above)
- special forces and police units from the Interior Ministry
- whatever has been conscripted or volunteered since the start of the SMO
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In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?
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Like this.Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
caveat emptor Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:07 pm
I don't think these were Harpoons. If two missiles can't sink a tugboat with less than 1700 tons displacement something is wrong with said weapons system. More likely it was a Brimstone or something like that.mr_hd wrote:
Two missiles made hit, it will get more and more dangerous for Russian ships around that island since Harpoons are starting to be delivered.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
caveat emptor Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:10 pm
They need to start calling much older people. Demographics come into play here. Supply of young people is tapped out or they fled the country. Most numerous generations available are 45-65. Obviously, majority of these people can't really fight wars anymore.franco wrote:https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1537786002542141440?cxt=HHwWgIC94ZiOqNcqAAAA
Zelensky says he's drafting a million men, but so far there have been 4 waves of mobilization, with 60k, 60k, 70k, and 100k. Given that they are still conscripting and shipping guys off to the front with a week of training, it's likely that this is mostly just replacement.
NOTE: if these numbers are correct
- 240,000 armed forces to start
- 60,000 national guard
- 42,000 border guards
- 130,000 territorial defense
- 290,000 reserves call up (from post above)
- special forces and police units from the Interior Ministry
- whatever has been conscripted or volunteered since the start of the SMO
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Arkanghelsk- Posts : 3899
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:19 pm
franco wrote:https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1537786002542141440?cxt=HHwWgIC94ZiOqNcqAAAA
Zelensky says he's drafting a million men, but so far there have been 4 waves of mobilization, with 60k, 60k, 70k, and 100k. Given that they are still conscripting and shipping guys off to the front with a week of training, it's likely that this is mostly just replacement.
NOTE: if these numbers are correct
- 240,000 armed forces to start
- 60,000 national guard
- 42,000 border guards
- 130,000 territorial defense
- 290,000 reserves call up (from post above)
- special forces and police units from the Interior Ministry
- whatever has been conscripted or volunteered since the start of the SMO
Those are just numbers given to justify weapons shipments
The west and the rest are going down with the ship
The pope has already changed his tone, and the europeans too
The only thing they can do is give Ukraine token membership
But the EU will be destroyed
We are cutting all gas off, and letting them burnout until winter
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:37 pm
medo wrote:Ex US general Steven Twitty said, that around 200.000 Ukrainian soldiers disappeared and no one knows, where they are. Those who are POW are known. Those who are wounded and in Ukrainian hospitals are also known. Disappeared only those, who are burried inside Donetska and Lugansk soil and Ukraine doesn't want to take them and count them and are simply missing.. We must not forget, that in February 17th, when Ukraine started war in Donbass, there were army group counting 150.000 soldiers, who should destroy DNR and LNR in four to five days.. After breaking front lines on both flanks in south DNR and in LNR and destroying two main concentrations and one month of fighting, when Russia start relocating troops from Kiev and Chernigov to Donbass, only around 40.000 Ukrainian soldiers from 150.000 remain there. Today profesional Ukrainian soldiers are mostly dead and in Donbass are now mostly territorial defense, mobilized soldiers and mercenaries..
I doubt those 200,000 are all dead, or even most of them.
Ukrainian units have been facing constant desertions since the start of the war. Particularly when things get hairy. And also among the drafted men. Lots of reports I read about out of a company's worth of soldiers, maybe 10-15 men slipping away over the course of a week.
By now of course the Ukrainians would have probably instituted measures to arrest this trend.
Also, a much smaller amount, but still significant - defected to the allied forces upon capture. Mostly locally mobilized men from the Donbass regions or nearby. They might not want to advertise any of that to Kiev and remain missing as far as the Ukrainian records are concerned.
I suspect the actual amount missing & dead, is probably several dozen thousand. Add that to confirmed dead in likely the same ballpark, and we can estimate maybe 80-100k Ukrainian dead so far (that includes teroborona and all such auxillary forces too).
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
SeigSoloyvov Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:44 pm
eh 100k dead seems far fetched imo I could buy around 70k tops but that's tops.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
Stealthflanker Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:47 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:How can VKS suppress the coastal missile batteries of Odessa?
These would in fact require drone hunter killer systems with IR camera to distinguish what is a battery on the ground
Also Kalibr , but how to first identify and recognize where they are?
Unfortunately the battery can only be identified upon launch. The missile can be picked by A-50's
The VKS then can try to intercept the missile in flight with Su-30's. Minimizing chance of loss of ships.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:48 pm
SeigSoloyvov wrote:eh 100k dead seems far fetched imo I could buy around 70k tops but that's tops.
If they're admitting to taking 300-500 dead per day now, in accordance with Russian daily reports BTW, then do the math
Add to that as well the amount of injured they take per day, and the proportion of those injured that ultimately succumb to their wounds
And no reason to suppose that their casualty rates would have doubled or something recently. They've been taking huge losses pretty much since day 1. If anything they were higher in the first month when there were more forces engaged on both sides
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Hole wrote:
Nikolaev
Don't have the volume turned up
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Nazi losses must be really small. First they draft women and now they want the deportation of refugees.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
GunshipDemocracy Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:13 pm
Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?
imho must be something like Gefest for unguided missiles too. They shoot with nose up to reach specific range of the shoot. Perhaps also move vertical impact when missile is descending.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?
imho must be something like Gefest for unguided missiles too. They shoot with nose up to reach specific range of the shoot. Perhaps also move vertical impact when missile is descending.
These are rockets and not missiles but nevertheless it probably gives the attacker some standoff range against MANPADS as well. Not sure if the footage was taken during night time but this fiery metal rain it would surely make a huge impression on the receivers!
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
Stealthflanker Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:32 pm
It's Soviet era tactic.
http://www.nva-flieger.de/index.php/taktik/arfk/angriffsverfahren-gefechtsordnung.html
Well basically a flying MLRS, to saturate an area not for precision strike.
http://www.nva-flieger.de/index.php/taktik/arfk/angriffsverfahren-gefechtsordnung.html
Well basically a flying MLRS, to saturate an area not for precision strike.
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Mir wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?
imho must be something like Gefest for unguided missiles too. They shoot with nose up to reach specific range of the shoot. Perhaps also move vertical impact when missile is descending.
These are rockets and not missiles but nevertheless it probably gives the attacker some standoff range against MANPADS as well. Not sure if the footage was taken during night time but this fiery metal rain it would surely make a huge impression on the receivers!
If firing 122mm rockets the effect of a salvo has been likened to the impact of a broadside from a WW2/Cold War destroyer. Not something you would want to be anywhere near.
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Stealthflanker wrote:It's Soviet era tactic.
http://www.nva-flieger.de/index.php/taktik/arfk/angriffsverfahren-gefechtsordnung.html
Well basically a flying MLRS, to saturate an area not for precision strike.
Yes same principle as toss bombing.
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owais.usmani wrote:https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1537765136211001346
Where are they getting the numbers arrived and left? Tracking social media plus some guesstimates?
They could track the killed via IDs... but the rest?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:44 pm
GunshipDemocracy wrote:Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?
imho must be something like Gefest for unguided missiles too. They shoot with nose up to reach specific range of the shoot. Perhaps also move vertical impact when missile is descending.
There is some fire control system for that sort of thing. Remember reading something not long ago, maybe on this site.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:53 pm
It will be necessary to move the tank parks to Kherson
This is probably the reason for T62 to Kherson
Odessa is as important as donetsk
The Harpoon launchers will create a ring of denial for BSF ships and they will arrange attacks on the bridge
It is necessary to pre empt this suicide attack and to siege Odessa bypassing Nikolayev
The 8th CAA and 20th CAA need to be brought forward , but how to do so without NATO AWACS and C4ISR disclosing this information?
Maybe it's time to down a satellite , as well as down those global hawks in the area
Because I can sense the imminent offensive on the Odessa and Nikolayev region
This is probably the reason for T62 to Kherson
Odessa is as important as donetsk
The Harpoon launchers will create a ring of denial for BSF ships and they will arrange attacks on the bridge
It is necessary to pre empt this suicide attack and to siege Odessa bypassing Nikolayev
The 8th CAA and 20th CAA need to be brought forward , but how to do so without NATO AWACS and C4ISR disclosing this information?
Maybe it's time to down a satellite , as well as down those global hawks in the area
Because I can sense the imminent offensive on the Odessa and Nikolayev region
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
Stealthflanker Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:08 pm
The real denial tho would start when they got Patriot or long range air defense means. as it can actually threaten Russian AEW.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:15 pm
A50U must be protected, constant sorties, and the Tu214 must be up too, to counter C4ISR
I'd like to see su35 with il18 tankers up Rotating
As well as tu22m3 firing kh22 into the Odessa coast
I'd like to see su35 with il18 tankers up Rotating
As well as tu22m3 firing kh22 into the Odessa coast
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18
SolidarityWithRussia Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:16 pm
Western media is slowly starting to admit that their war propaganda was not true and that Russia is going to win both militarily and economically. Of course they only admit things when it becomes too hard for them to hide the truth.
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