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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:eh 100k dead seems far fetched imo I could buy around 70k tops but that's tops.

    If they're admitting to taking 300-500 dead per day now, in accordance with Russian daily reports BTW, then do the math

    Add to that as well the amount of injured they take per day, and the proportion of those injured that ultimately succumb to their wounds

    And no reason to suppose that their casualty rates would have doubled or something recently. They've been taking huge losses pretty much since day 1. If anything they were higher in the first month when there were more forces engaged on both sides

    Thats assuming its true which I doubt it is, chances are its just a claim made to get more and more weapons.
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    Post  dionis Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:29 pm



    Not sure if anyone has seen this channel, but it's actually pretty decent.

    At least they keep it to facts (however well picked or not - they are missing a few things here and there), less editorial/adjectives.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:33 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?

    imho must be something like Gefest for unguided missiles too.  They shoot with nose up to reach specific range of the shoot. Perhaps also move vertical impact when missile is descending.

    There is some fire control system for that sort of thing. Remember reading something not long ago, maybe on this site.

    There is scarce info on what the FCS on these platforms provides in way of indirect fire, I've been looking for it for a good while.

    I'd assume there is something. Given the overall fidelity of the DCS simulator (which is partly developed by Russian programmers, and has its roots in the world-renowned Flanker series of sims), the extremely complex Su-25 module could possibly contain some hints, but as my computer is ancient and I'm not a "gamer" I really can't check on my own.

    Unless, of course, it's all because of some "Gefest" style FCS that was introduced more recently, is classified and not modeled in any sim.

    Are there any examples of "toss-rocketing" from prior conflicts where these aircraft were involved? I recall plenty of Su-25 videos from 8/8/8 with S-8s and what not and they were all direct fire.


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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:35 pm

    Remember when the Western media said Putin was sick and dying? This picture is of him today, he looks healthy and 10 years younger.

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:38 pm

    Pacifists everywhere you look. 😂😂



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    Post  VARGR198 Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:59 pm


    Huge support in Odessa lol

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:37 pm

    "As US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin reported on Wednesday, Kyiv has now received enough qualified equipment for twelve artillery battalions. About 237 main battle tanks, 300 armored personnel carriers and 1,600 air defense systems were delivered; With 97,000 anti-tank weapons, more anti-tank weapons were made available to the Ukrainian armed forces than there are currently tanks in the world.[2] Austin pointed to additional planned arms exports; Germany, for example, WILL hand over several multiple rocket launchers and guided missiles to Kyiv. Further deliveries are being prepared. In practice, Ukraine's rearmament is coordinated via a specially set up cell in the Patch Barracks in Stuttgart-Vaihingen, where the European headquarters of the US armed forces is located. According to a BBC report, military personnel from 26 countries are involved."
    From:
    https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/news/detail/8950

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:53 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:eh 100k dead seems far fetched imo I could buy around 70k tops but that's tops.

    If they're admitting to taking 300-500 dead per day now, in accordance with Russian daily reports BTW, then do the math

    Add to that as well the amount of injured they take per day, and the proportion of those injured that ultimately succumb to their wounds

    And no reason to suppose that their casualty rates would have doubled or something recently. They've been taking huge losses pretty much since day 1. If anything they were higher in the first month when there were more forces engaged on both sides

    Thats assuming its true which I doubt it is, chances are its just a claim made to get more and more weapons.

    Matches all the Russian MoD reports and the various anecdotal evidence we have.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:eh 100k dead seems far fetched imo I could buy around 70k tops but that's tops.

    If they're admitting to taking 300-500 dead per day now, in accordance with Russian daily reports BTW, then do the math

    Add to that as well the amount of injured they take per day, and the proportion of those injured that ultimately succumb to their wounds

    And no reason to suppose that their casualty rates would have doubled or something recently. They've been taking huge losses pretty much since day 1. If anything they were higher in the first month when there were more forces engaged on both sides

    Thats assuming its true which I doubt it is, chances are its just a claim made to get more and more weapons.

    Matches all the Russian MoD reports and the various anecdotal evidence we have.

    Those figures that seemed to look ridiculous at first seem all the more plausible now. The Ukrainians are on their 6th or 7th conscription/recruitment drive, and if there is indeed a "genocide" going on, it's all Zelensky's doing at this point.

    The Russians aren't interested in killing Ukrainians, but Zelensky and his western "backers" apparently are.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:31 pm

    Putin Against Storming Ukraine’s Fortified Areas Near Donetsk

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that storming Ukrainian fortified areas near Donetsk, from where they hit residential areas, has no purpose as it may lead to heavy Russian casualties.

    "As for these absolutely senseless attacks on residential buildings and neighborhoods of Donetsk, related to the fact that the line of demarcation, which was created eight years ago, is, of course, such a serious fortified area … storming these fortified areas is, according to military experts … is not a good advice because it will lead to heavy casualties on the part of the attacking forces, so the tactics there are different … in fact, systematic work is underway to circle these fortified areas, and this, of course, takes some time," Putin said at a plenary session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.


    Yes the plan is correct, no storming of the avdeyevka or donetsk areas, but the grind will continue

    I am not sure however, if there will be a simultaneous offensive in the west of Ukraine, as the militias grind the VSU in the fortified areas

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:39 pm

    JohninMK wrote:"As US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin reported on Wednesday, Kyiv has now received enough qualified equipment for twelve artillery battalions. About 237 main battle tanks, 300 armored personnel carriers and 1,600 air defense systems were delivered; With 97,000 anti-tank weapons, more anti-tank weapons were made available to the Ukrainian armed forces than there are currently tanks in the world.[2] Austin pointed to additional planned arms exports; Germany, for example, WILL hand over several multiple rocket launchers and guided missiles to Kyiv. Further deliveries are being prepared. In practice, Ukraine's rearmament is coordinated via a specially set up cell in the Patch Barracks in Stuttgart-Vaihingen, where the European headquarters of the US armed forces is located. According to a BBC report, military personnel from 26 countries are involved."
    From:
    https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/news/detail/8950

    And the DPR and LPR are very grateful for the massive support they received from the west. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:41 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin Against Storming Ukraine’s Fortified Areas Near Donetsk

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that storming Ukrainian fortified areas near Donetsk, from where they hit residential areas, has no purpose as it may lead to heavy Russian casualties.

    "As for these absolutely senseless attacks on residential buildings and neighborhoods of Donetsk, related to the fact that the line of demarcation, which was created eight years ago, is, of course, such a serious fortified area … storming these fortified areas is, according to military experts … is not a good advice because it will lead to heavy casualties on the part of the attacking forces, so the tactics there are different … in fact, systematic work is underway to circle these fortified areas, and this, of course, takes some time," Putin said at a plenary session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.


    Yes the plan is correct, no storming of the avdeyevka or donetsk areas, but the grind will continue

    I am not sure however, if there will be a simultaneous offensive in the west of Ukraine, as the militias grind the VSU in the fortified areas

    Nice that my own assumption is confirmed by the BOSS. Laughing

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    Post  Isos Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:41 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin Against Storming Ukraine’s Fortified Areas Near Donetsk

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that storming Ukrainian fortified areas near Donetsk, from where they hit residential areas, has no purpose as it may lead to heavy Russian casualties.

    "As for these absolutely senseless attacks on residential buildings and neighborhoods of Donetsk, related to the fact that the line of demarcation, which was created eight years ago, is, of course, such a serious fortified area … storming these fortified areas is, according to military experts … is not a good advice because it will lead to heavy casualties on the part of the attacking forces, so the tactics there are different … in fact, systematic work is underway to circle these fortified areas, and this, of course, takes some time," Putin said at a plenary session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.


    Yes the plan is correct, no storming of the avdeyevka or donetsk areas, but the grind will continue

    I am not sure however, if there will be a simultaneous offensive in the west of Ukraine, as the militias grind the VSU in the fortified areas

    Put 8 fab-500 on 100 su-24 and storm them in 1 night.

    One big air attack would destroy ukrainian defences easily.

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    Post  Sprut-B Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:53 pm

    A Ka-52 withstands serious collision with a tree top. Any western country helicopter would have crashed on the spot

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    Post  Isos Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:38 pm

    Damaged Buyan-M tuged out of Black sea after damages.


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    Post  Isos Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:52 pm

    The armor on those t-62 seems to have been widely upgraded.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:06 pm

    Isos wrote:Damaged Buyan-M tuged out of Black sea after damages.
    It looks like something which can be repaired. But it also seems to have been hit by something maybe a missile. The fact the radar is gone, might have been an anti-radiation missile.

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-05/ukraine-defense-aims-thrive-against-odds
    https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2021/10/23/china-reverse-engineered-ukrainian-supersonic-cruise-missile-bliskavka/

    It looks like at one point Ukraine was working on an anti-radiation missile to be launched with the Su-24 called the Bliskava. So it looks like they were at least working on such sensors.
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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:22 pm

    The radar is on the deck in front of the AK-630-2 mount. This is done for transport on rivers and channels.

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    Delivery of one unit, some years ago.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:30 pm

    Oh. I see. So it fits under bridges probably?

    It still looks like it was hit by some kind of fragmentation warhead on the side. Or is that just rust?
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    Post  franco Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:41 pm

    Interviews with the two Americans.


    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1537895785408258054?cxt=HHwWjICj7bKE2tcqAAAA

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1537876457460051968?cxt=HHwWgMC9ta6f0dcqAAAA
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    Post  Backman Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:47 pm

    🇧🇾🇺🇦❗When hitting Belarus, Minsk will hit Kiev without entering Ukraine, and Moscow will use weapons of a new level - Lukashenka

    "If they hit Mozyr, then we will hit Kiev without going into Ukraine."

    The President of Belarus said that Minsk does not plan to fight with Ukraine and warned Kiev against strikes against Russia:

    "In no case should this be done. Because Russia will already use weapons of a new level. And they will use them in Kiev, in those who make these decisions."

    He also added that he keeps the armed forces of Belarus on the alert along the border because of Poland. In his opinion, this country has eyes on Western Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:52 pm

    medo wrote:Ex US general Steven Twitty said, that around 200.000 Ukrainian soldiers disappeared and no one knows, where they are.

    Those are not soldiers, but statistics are given to get the payment.
    And I am serious.
    No army can withstand a 200k dead in a few weeks, and keep rollin'
    This is just another paper army, after the Afghan one.
    Numbers add, the money adds, but there are no men behind.

    Sure that Russkies are boiling shit out of them, but not at that scale.

    It is a fraud.

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    Post  Backman Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:56 pm

    Obviously the US and Ukraine are going to try and sink another Russian ship. And it looks like they tried.

    All Ukraine and the US will do from now on is play spoiler. Russia needs to make a statement. Even this towed ship is going to be a huge propaganda moment for them. Why didn't they paint that dark area before exposing it ?
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:14 pm

    Backman wrote:Obviously the US and Ukraine are going to try and sink another Russian ship. And it looks like they tried.

    All Ukraine and the US will do from now on is play spoiler. Russia needs to make a statement. Even this towed ship is going to be a huge propaganda moment for them. Why didn't they paint that dark area before exposing it ?

    Brits have lost 6 ships at Malvinas.
    Just breath.

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    Post  Isos Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:30 pm

    Looks like Tb2 strikes. Damage doesn't seem huge.

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