Russian special military operation in Ukraine #19

OminousSpudd wrote:

kvs wrote:Local observers in Donetsk City and elsewhere which is subjected to regular Kiev regime terror shelling note an interesting detail.
When the skies are clear or relatively clear the shelling is more active and focused.   When the skies are overcast it goes down a
notch.  The activity is also associated with the position of the Sun.  Clearly, the Kiev regime terrorists are using US spy satellite
resources to guide their shelling.   All the bitching and moaning in this thread about UAVs is so much BS.

More simply, satellites and drones are not required for artillery terror attacks on urban centers, it's not like they're going anywhere. However, good weather and day time correlates directly with more people out on the streets, and hence more casualties.

You are assuming that the shelling is random. It is targeted. UAVs are subject to anti-aircraft defenses and thus are not the magical
tool that Russia is failing at. There are a lot of idiots in this thread.

Werewolf wrote:

Hole wrote:

Bridge between Severodonetsk and Lysichansk. Was done by a helicopter.

Where do you got this information from?

If it was Helicopter than probably used a KH-25 from Ka-52. Certainly not an ATGM and I kind of doubt it would be using anything else.

The Mi28 has already been using Izd 305E 

This is a 14km range tv guided missile aimed through a drone control system on board the night hunter

Cadets from Lugansk were invited to the Scarlet Sails celebration in St. Petersburg for the first time.

I think you are completely wrong on the topic of Kaliningrad.
Its not an "island" so it shouldn't "get used" to being one.

Russia can't force them to allow land or air bridges... that is what the place is... an Island... but that is not the end of the world either.

They can adapt to their new normal... and Lithuania will not go unpunished for being so unfriendly to its neighbours.

Lithuania got its separate status by agreeing not to blockade Kaliningrad.. and agreeing other things like not terrorising ethnic Russians.

I am more upset about how it treats its Russian citizens than with blocking access to Kaliningrad... maybe the solution is to let Lithuanians and Latvians and Estonians and Poles who like Russia get Russian citizenship and get a flat and a car or a pension and a flat depending on their age in Russia... which could be Russia including Kaliningrad and then Russia can actually respect their rights and properly protect them.

Should Serbia starve to death from blockades by the EU ie US puppets that surround it?

What other choice do they have?

A partial ie majority blockade is still a blockade and a flagrant breach of intl law, and indeed tantamount to the declaration of war.

True, but unilateral sanctions not authorised by the UNSC can also be considered acts of war... I don't think this is worth going to war over... there are things Russia can do... up to and including cutting off gas to the EU if they hate everything Russian so much why soil their pipes with Russian energy...

What next? "Oh its only a little place, Kaliningrad". "Oh the Kurils don't really matter, nor does the Donbass or St Petersburg. Hell lets agree with America and split Russia into 3! Better that the ww3"

I sugested moving tactical nuclear weapons there and for them to be used on any force build up they think might be used to attack them.

Those other places are also already done deals as well.

America will burn before Russia splits.

What do people here generally think should/could/will happen with Lithuania and the Kaliningrad blockade?

I expect Russia to do something that really damages Lithuania to the point where they quietly back down in return for a return to what was happening before.

Lith did not commit an act of war nor did it blockade anything.

No they didn't, but what they are doing is unfriendly and violates WTO rules on free trade and the agreement that allowed them to join HATO and the EU, and the Russian response will likely be painful to them.

To my knowledge, the S-500 is an Atmospheric interceptor and the S-550 is an Exospheric interceptor.

Interesting chart, but the ISS operates at 350km altitude in space in orbit...

S-500 is a bigger longer ranged S-400 so it can intercept airbreathing targets as well as ballistic and other threats including low flying satellites, the S-550 seems to be optimised for very fast ICBM and SLBM targets and objects in higher orbit.

They mentioned there would be a naval S-500, but no naval S-550 suggesting S-550 is a specialist ABM system for ICBMs and SLBMs against strategic targets, while S-500 is a layer defence above S-400 for longer ranged ballistic missiles and hypersonic weapons.

Why are you stressed about it? If you're in trouble, I'm not to blame. I could politely ask for this in private.

I asked you to do this... that should have been enough.

Considering that surface of the island is less than 20 ha, i doubt there will be any wells. They probably have to bring water.

Quite a few buildings there... likely collect water from the roofs of buildings too.

The Mi28 has already been using Izd 305E

This is a 14km range tv guided missile aimed through a drone control system on board the night hunter

Reported to have a 25-30kg dual purpose warhead ... which does not conflict with the damage seen... looks like the vehicle was hit and the explosion blew that section of tar seal down, breaking it at the supports...

I understand that in the Baltic countries the SS is honored. They do it as a way of provoking Russia, not because they adhere to the national socialist doctrine. I don't know if it was Latvia or Estonia.
I don't understand why Europe has so many "shitty countries" (I take a phrase from my friend Trump)

I tell you something else. In Argentina there is a Jewish historian, former communist and specialist in Russian history, (here we are full of Jews in the universities)  defends the intentions of the Eastern countries in joining NATO. He says, appealing to boring postmodern academic discourse, that there are "memories" of the occupation of Russia, memories of the violence.
Very well. Germany has just announced that it will have the largest military budget in continental Europe. Are there no memories of the occupations and wars of Germany in the 20th century? Hypocrisy.

ArgentinaGuard wrote:I understand that in the Baltic countries the SS is honored. They do it as a way of provoking Russia, not because they adhere to the national socialist doctrine. I don't know if it was Latvia or Estonia.
I don't understand why Europe has so many "shitty countries" (I take a phrase from my friend Trump)

I've spent a lot of time in all three Baltic countries.

The only one that has that real Nazi vibe, in my opinion, is Latvia. Like, it's not immediately noticeable on the surface but they're the ones who hold annual marches in honor of their SS collaborators in public, they're the ones who desecrate Jewish memorials, and you won't believe the racist s**t you hear there.

I know a great deal of fantastic people from Latvia though, so it's not everyone that suffer from 1940s Nazi brain rot, but many do. Thing is, I can sort of see where they are coming from, or rather, what the reason for this misguided crap is. Brief taste of independence after having been occupied by Russia and Sweden back and forth for hundreds of years. Then that indy spell was interrupted by the USSR as WW2 began, and they started seeing the Nazis as "liberators" as they attacked the prior occupants. That's pretty much it.

Of course, the irony is that without the Latvian riflemen being Bolshevik muscle, the USSR probably wouldn't even have existed in the first place. And as extra irony, the Nazis would have eventually started exterminating them one way or another (forced labor, deportation, mass murder) since they were in the way of GPO in the long run.

Anyway, kind of off-topic (though UA "Banderists" are strikingly similar)

I never imagined that western msm will publish a report like this lol

PhSt wrote:I never imagined that western msm will publish a report like this lol

The French do sometimes pierce through the BS, I've noticed. There were some surprisingly "dissident" (versus the officially agreed-upon western narrative) accounts relayed by French media earlier too.

I don't expect it to become a trend anytime soon though.

Reuters: Italy, Portugal, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Romania want to delay a European Union plan to effectively ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2035 by five years

https://auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/policy/five-countries-seek-to-delay-eu-fossil-fuel-car-phase-out-document/92442076

Bankrolling Ukraine's war efforts come at a price.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Hole wrote:

Bridge between Severodonetsk and Lysichansk. Was done by a helicopter.

Map I saw it was in the outskirts on the south side of Lysichansk, destroying the main road and railway south. Which makes more sense as a target.

Also, looks like it got the van hiding underneath as well. Two for one

nomadski wrote:

Russia can supply Kaliningrad by sea from St. Petersburg , in the summer months . And it can export it's main goods of oil and gas , Gold and Silver , fertilisers etc , also in the summer months . Since these goods are non-perishable and do not need refrigeration , they can be stored for shipping in May . But need twice the number of ships to allow , short season of exports . And need contracts allowing summer shipping on high volume . What is the situation with ice , on Russia far East region ?

Still China and Iran provide reliable port facility and transit , and Black Sea also will be available , once Harpoons removed from Odessa . So it is not the end of the world for Russia yet . But Lithuania ? Life can turn out very difficult for them . For reasons I stated . And if they attack Russia ? Well Article 5 , does not protect them . At least not legally ! So , it is the end of Lithuania !

What is this nonsense about summer months supply to Kaliningrad? Baltic sea gets permanent ice in the winter only in the north and east, and that ice in most cases is below 30cm in thickness. Port of Ust Luga works all year. Very rarely they need minimal ice breaking services. Certainly not for Kaliningrad region.
Major Pacific ports are year round ice free. Murmansk, which is in Arctic is always ice free due to Golf current extent.
Giant icebreakers they've built and are building are meant for SMP (North Sea Route- NSR) where sea has a thick layer of ice for most of the year

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:I understand that in the Baltic countries the SS is honored. They do it as a way of provoking Russia, not because they adhere to the national socialist doctrine. I don't know if it was Latvia or Estonia.
I don't understand why Europe has so many "shitty countries" (I take a phrase from my friend Trump)

I've spent a lot of time in all three Baltic countries.

The only one that has that real Nazi vibe, in my opinion, is Latvia. Like, it's not immediately noticeable on the surface but they're the ones who hold annual marches in honor of their SS collaborators in public, they're the ones who desecrate Jewish memorials, and you won't believe the racist s**t you hear there.

I know a great deal of fantastic people from Latvia though, so it's not everyone that suffer from 1940s Nazi brain rot, but many do. Thing is, I can sort of see where they are coming from, or rather, what the reason for this misguided crap is. Brief taste of independence after having been occupied by Russia and Sweden back and forth for hundreds of years. Then that indy spell was interrupted by the USSR as WW2 began, and they started seeing the Nazis as "liberators" as they attacked the prior occupants. That's pretty much it.

Of course, the irony is that without the Latvian riflemen being Bolshevik muscle, the USSR probably wouldn't even have existed in the first place. And as extra irony, the Nazis would have eventually started exterminating them one way or another (forced labor, deportation, mass murder) since they were in the way of GPO in the long run.

Anyway, kind of off-topic (though UA "Banderists" are strikingly similar)

And the first ever Red Army general was a Latvian, and the only "more significant" indigenous Soviet partisan movement in the Baltic republics was in Latvia.

I think now they are trying to make up for it with their silly SS marches, to try to cover up their other pro-Bolshevik/Soviet past.


And the "similar" part is both yes and no. Both try to worship their SS-men, but Ukrainians have at least a genuine claim to a Germanic Varangian ancestry, whereas the Latvians only can claim to have been raped by the German crusaders.


Even in Canada the Ukrainians are more liked than the other Eastern Europeans, perhaps with the exception of the Hungarians.


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:I understand that in the Baltic countries the SS is honored. They do it as a way of provoking Russia, not because they adhere to the national socialist doctrine. I don't know if it was Latvia or Estonia.
I don't understand why Europe has so many "shitty countries" (I take a phrase from my friend Trump)

I've spent a lot of time in all three Baltic countries.

The only one that has that real Nazi vibe, in my opinion, is Latvia. Like, it's not immediately noticeable on the surface but they're the ones who hold annual marches in honor of their SS collaborators in public, they're the ones who desecrate Jewish memorials, and you won't believe the racist s**t you hear there.

I know a great deal of fantastic people from Latvia though, so it's not everyone that suffer from 1940s Nazi brain rot, but many do. Thing is, I can sort of see where they are coming from, or rather, what the reason for this misguided crap is. Brief taste of independence after having been occupied by Russia and Sweden back and forth for hundreds of years. Then that indy spell was interrupted by the USSR as WW2 began, and they started seeing the Nazis as "liberators" as they attacked the prior occupants. That's pretty much it.

Of course, the irony is that without the Latvian riflemen being Bolshevik muscle, the USSR probably wouldn't even have existed in the first place. And as extra irony, the Nazis would have eventually started exterminating them one way or another (forced labor, deportation, mass murder) since they were in the way of GPO in the long run.

Anyway, kind of off-topic (though UA "Banderists" are strikingly similar)

And the first ever Red Army general was a Latvian, and the only "more significant" indigenous Soviet partisan movement in the Baltic republics was in Latvia.

I think now they are trying to make up for it with their silly SS marches, to try to cover up their other pro-Bolshevik/Soviet past.

Yes, this is the most striking irony. Without Latvian pro-Bolshevik sentiments (incl the infamous riflemen I mentioned, who dealt crushing blows on the white armies), perhaps the USSR would not even have come into being.

And the "similar" part is both yes and no. Both try to worship their SS-men, but Ukrainians have at least a genuine claim to a Germanic Varangian ancestry, whereas the Latvians only can claim to have been raped by the German crusaders.


Even in Canada the Ukrainians are more liked than the other Eastern Europeans, perhaps with the exception of the Hungarians.


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

Right, but it's complicated. The Rurik dynasty (Varangian, so Scandinavian/Germanic) took rule in Ladoga, soon therafter Novgorod, but people in these lands were chiefly Slavic (Ilmen slavs) and Finnic. Lots of mixing of Slavic, Finnic and Scandinavian occured here. When the Rurik dynasty moved southward down the Dnepr they encountered some village named "Kii" inhabited by other Slavs (I guess we'd call them Poles, more or less) and people of Turkic/Iranian ancestry (Khazars etc).

Better located than prior cities, the village became the new Rus capital, Kiev.

Goes on like this, lots of folks from everywhere. But anyway, if the bloodline of the rulers matter, then it is a given that Moscow is the capital of all Rus. The last Rurik heir ruled over and died in Moscow, his capital. If Ukrainians are larping about this, let them do it, but if they allege they have something to do with Rus, then they should swear allegiance to whoever rules Moscow.

Insert totally sincere trollface.

caveat emptor wrote:

nomadski wrote:

Russia can supply Kaliningrad by sea from St. Petersburg , in the summer months . And it can export it's main goods of oil and gas , Gold and Silver , fertilisers etc , also in the summer months . Since these goods are non-perishable and do not need refrigeration , they can be stored for shipping in May . But need twice the number of ships to allow , short season of exports . And need contracts allowing summer shipping on high volume . What is the situation with ice , on Russia far East region ?

Still China and Iran provide reliable port facility and transit , and Black Sea also will be available , once Harpoons removed from Odessa . So it is not the end of the world for Russia yet . But Lithuania ? Life can turn out very difficult for them . For reasons I stated . And if they attack Russia ? Well Article 5 , does not protect them . At least not legally ! So , it is the end of Lithuania !

What is this nonsense about summer months supply to Kaliningrad? Baltic sea gets permanent ice in the winter only in the north and east, and that ice in most cases is below 30cm in thickness. Port of Ust Luga works all year. Very rarely they need minimal ice breaking services. Certainly not for Kaliningrad region.
Major Pacific ports are year round ice free. Murmansk, which is in Arctic is always ice free due to Golf current extent.
Giant icebreakers they've built and are building are meant for SMP (North Sea Route- NSR) where sea has a thick layer of ice for most of the year

Indeed, Kaliningrad and Baltiysk, no ice problem whatsoever.

Deep in the Bay of Finland, from Kotka and eastwards, ice does become an issue during particularly hard winters, but they have a fleet of smallish (compared to the big Arctic ones) ice breakers for that eventuality. Shipping is never interrupted.

Finland and Sweden likewise keep shipping lanes open in the northern Baltic (Bothnia) all the time. I think Sweden has four dedicated icebreakers for it even.

When I was a kid, I heard of people driving cars from Umeå to Vaasa or so, across the ice. Not happening anymore.

Isos wrote:Some shit happened.


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Putin urgently came to the Kremlin, the reason is unknown.

The cortege with Vladimir Putin arrived at the Kremlin at 23:00.



ZOKA
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It is reported that reason for the visit is really very serious. Something happened.

The President of Russia makes urgent urgent decisions

So far, they say that the reason is not related to domestic reasons. It's something from the outside.

Next cauldron, please.

Supplying Kaliningrad by sea is not optimal nor sustainable in a time of conflict were that region become contested by Poland or Germany or both in unison conventionally. Let the Germans remilitarize at your own peril so you can find out. I've seen enough in my time, and read extensively enough of European history in my time, both pre-medieval, medieval and modern to know I ain't wanna find out later. If they're contesting you in Ukraine today, they'll contest you everywhere. Press your advantage while you have it.

You need that land corridor not tied to the whims of a foreign head of state.

Plenty of warnings, roll the dice and postpone the tough decisions at your own peril.