Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #5

https://www.rt.com/news/587748-sunak-covid-die-johnson-inquiry/

UK PM wanted to ‘just let people die’ – ex-adviser

Rishi Sunak and ex-PM Boris Johnson shared a laissez-faire attitude toward the coronavirus pandemic, according to Patrick Vallance

UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak wanted the government to “just let people die” rather than impose a second national lockdown during the Covid-19 pandemic, London’s former chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, told the government’s official Covid-19 inquiry on Monday.

“Rishi thinks just let people die and that’s ok. This all feels like a complete lack of leadership,” he wrote in a diary entry dated October 25, 2020 seen by the inquiry, which is tasked with probing the government’s response to the pandemic.

“Rishi thinks just let people die and that’s ok. This all feels like a complete lack of leadership,”

Nothing to do with a lack of leadership... a lack of humanity and ethics and morals to not just immediately abandon a section of society that built most of the infrastructure you are using today, but also paid for everything, but also ignore the families of these people you are condemning to a horrible death at a time when they can't even go to the funeral to say goodbye... they might be able to come to one of your parties, but not a funeral of a loved one...

Western politicians showing their true colours despite all the morality crap they spew every day they are just evil inside.

The notion that coof-2019 is a natural virus variant is a grotesque lie. Natural spike proteins would not have patented protein sequence
components. The chances of this being accidental are cosmically small. The number of atoms involved is just too fecking large. Having
them come in the right order is absurd on its face. It is clear that the coof spike is engineered, but that is not the problem. The vax
spike is 100% engineered. It is not taken from the actual virus but engineered to be constructed via the mRNA which is 100% manufactured.
So what you get from the vax is even worse than what you get from the manipulated virus.

The appearance of patented protein sequences in the spike makes sense. When you are concocting this shit in a lab you want guideposts
to your target reproduction. If you replicate benchmark elements then you are "succeeding". Millions of people dying from your "success"
is likely the real success.

Covid was created in a Chinese lab and the reason the investigation stopped right there is because it was a US funded lab and too many questions would be asked... questions like why the US is funding bio weapons labs in China... because the answer is that they are able to do all sorts of things in China that they can't do in the US because US regulations don't allow it...the same reason most production moved from the US to China as well.

But if they are doing things in China they are not allowed to do in the US could that be how this virus escaped and spread because of lax rules and regulations?

But most importantly if it was a US funded bio lab that created it why was the US and general western response to the virus so absolutely pathetic and half arsed and uncoordinated and ultimately ineffective?

Are they developing defences and procedures to stop pandemics or are they just busy making weapons of war of genocide?

Which also leads to lots of other questions, they were saying it came from China and China should pay compensation to the world, but if it came from a US funded lab shouldn't it be the US paying everyone on the planet for damages?

The most important criminal activity is the mRNA vax production. We are never told the error rate and error spectrum in the manufactured
mRNA. There is no such thing as 100% consistent production in anything. The field of quality assurance is all about this reality.
We are also dealing with atom-scale manufacturing where manual intervention is impossible. There is also no way of practically sorting
the manufactured mRNA for defective pieces.

Then we have the thermal instability of mRNA which is why the vax vials had to be transported in special refrigerators that kept the temperature
at around -80 F or -62 C. Your body temperature is not -62 C but 37 C. These f*ckers can't guarantee that the mRNA does not get damaged
en route to the cells where it directs the production of the vax spike antigen variant. That is the problem with injecting it where it gets into your
vascular and lymphatic system. We have a whole realm of "spike" protein generation that can have major functional differences from the original plan.
"Shit happens" gives us protein folding interference "clots" that look like large worms extracted from deceased. It gives us all sorts of other disasters.
But, hey, it's "safe and effective".

We also have clear evidence of all sorts of garbage particulate in the distributed vax vials. There was a video by a professor that showed
microscope magnification of the vax fluid. All those particulates are guaranteed allergens. Even if they were SiO2, they would still be
causing harm. Moderna and Pfizer had shit QA in their precious vax production. They also f*cked around with production changes that
meant any of the preliminary studies were irrelevant for the vax dished out to the masses.

These scumbags need to be lynched.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06800-3

Everybody needs to watch this video. It is the smoking gun evidence of the toxic nature of mRNA "vaccines". The
chutzpah monkeys f*cked around with processes they did not understand or more likely knew were dangerous.
The trick used to bypass the immune system directly results in abnormal protein generation by cell ribosomes because
of glitching on the N1-methylpseudouridine. Ribosomes don't glitch on uridine. So not only is there a variance in the
spike protein generation from variance in the mRNA, there is also a whole other defect generation during the protein
assembly process.

All abnormal proteins are immune triggers. The generation of body protein matching sub-units from this mRNA shit is
extremely likely and does occur in millions of people. These "vaccines" are auto-immune triggers.

May Satan's minions ream him in perpetuity. But then he may like it.

Hoping no one from New Zealand is on this forum

The numbers are damning... the truth will shock you... American infomercial language.

They focused giving people most at risk the vaccine, there were no promises a vaccine would make them live forever.

Most of the people I know got vaccinated because they had to to keep their job and I don't know anyone who as died because they were vaccinated.

If the real number was 20% it would be pretty hard to hide considering the vast majority of people in this country actually got vaccinated.

I would think 20% of maybe 4 million people would be bloody hard to hide the graves of. (we had just under 90% compliance).

That would be 800 thousand people dead.

If you are going to listen to fucking idiots at least check the numbers, because these numbers are obviously wrong.

Especially when the WHO website shows less than 4,000 Kiwis died from Covid you are trying to claim that over 800,000 died from the vaccine?

But then you don't have a history of credibility.

Maybe you are a bit young.

Go to Google and search for "covid turbo cancer".    You will get a spew of fake stream media and fake "fact checker" links denying any link.

HOW THE F*CK WOULD THESE OUTFITS KNOW THAT THERE IS NO LINK?

I know that bold caps is bad form.   But this denier propaganda is turbo retarded.   The concept of the mRNA spike generation is that cells
which are hijacked to produce the spike proteins eventually die and burst their load of spike into the vascular system just like you would get
from a live virus but without the whole virus being reproduced.

So, cells are subjected to extreme stress to the point of death.   But where is the PROOF that none of these cells become cancerous?  
There is no physical exclusion of this eventuality.    If the mRNA is deactivated before the cells burst, then we do not get automatic death.  
Having a spectrum of spike-like proteins inside the cell (see the N1-methypseudouridine link I posted above), just maybe can damage both the
nucleus and the mitochondria.  Cancer cells systematically have dysfunctional mitochondria.    Cancer is not merely mutations in the nuclear
DNA.

Viruses are known to cause cancer. Hmm, I wonder if there any link with running a cell overload regime with the mRNA vaxes.

Some f*cking journalism major is not mentally qualified to cover this subject.   They have engaged in selective interview of morticians to try to
deny the protein clots found in hundreds of victims by embalmers.    But the pseudourine mRNA would exactly spam the system with strange
proteins that can form amalgams.   The reasons proteins fold is because they have large polarity in their amino acid chains.    Having random
variations on the protein structure will result in abnormal folding and cross-linking.    These f*cking professional liars never bothered to interview
actual scientists in their BS "debunking".

The core problem is that people don't care about the truth... this is all political.

Anti vaxxers just want to prove that big pharma can't be trusted, which I totally agree with, but whether they actually had a conspiracy to kill people at random (it is not poor unemployed people dying from this alledgedly, it is people across the board including young fit people, which is why they call it a conspiracy and why I say it isn't.

The virus is more of a conspiracy because it kills the weak and the elderly, which would be a boost for many economies in the west who spend a lot of money keeping them alive and would free up lots of pensions so that pyramid scheme can continue a couple more decades before it collapses..

Incompetence covers the facts rather better... there are issues with some vaccines because they were put together in a rush and despite scrutiny of foreign vaccines, the domestic vaccines seem to have gotten the rubber stamp to get them out more quickly because the politics of Russia having vaccines and the west not having vaccines was embarrassing to the west. So embarrassing they would be prepared to take the deaths of premature vaccine release for the embarrassment to end.

Big Pharma and western governments are bastards and evil and cruel... Canada confiscated the An-124 from Russia that was bringing them medial supplies. EU countries who are supposed to be a team stole shipments bound for other EU countries because their claims of need were said to be greater.

At the end of the day all the hoarding of medical equipment and vaccines a lot of that went into storage and was never used by anyone.

That is the sort of shit the west goes on about happening in the Soviet Union where food rots in one part of the country on trains and people starve in another part of the country because the correct form had not been filled out properly.

The result of course is that both sides don't care about real numbers or the actual truth and just defend their side and say everything the other side says is propaganda.

The US has bio weapons labs in large numbers of countries, covid was tracked to one of their funded labs in China... America loves labs in other countries that don't have strict rules and guidelines, but obviously the risk is outbreaks like Covid. There are also stories of outbreaks near other labs all the time but that is hushed up... and no Americans die so the western media don't give a shit so no one hears about it.

The real irony is that with all that testing, they were totally shit in terms of what to do and how to react to the situation, it was pathetic. People were more worried about their rights than other peoples lives or trying to deal with a world wide problem.

Russians will succeed by being bees rather than butterflys...the life of a butterfly looks exciting but is ultimately pointless and lonely... no matter how many flags you put on your front lawn.

I should add that pro vaxxers should say that generally vaccinations are good, but not when they are brand new experimental vaccines that are not fully understood or properly tested.

When Covid broke out the fear was that it would kill a lot of people and of course we trusted big pharma with their claims about these vaccines being safe... there was an urgency to the situation because the early forms of Covid were rather more dangerous and debilitating. There were plenty of people who got Covid that weren't right for months and months afterwards.

My own experience with getting Covid was that I attended a family event where several people came down with Covid. The event was on a Saturday night, and I felt fine until the following Tuesday morning when I got toothache. But not just one tooth. All of them hurt. It then developed into a mild headache and so the next morning (the Wednesday) I did a Covid test and it was positive. By the time I did the test I felt fine, the toothache and headache had both gone... neither was bad enough to need pain killers. I had a quarantine period of 7 days at that time, which was great.

What I am trying to say is that it effects everyone differently and so would the vaccines, but on the whole a properly developed and tested vaccine is the best way to deal with virus epidemics.

The problem is that the two sides are adversarial and again... not interested in the truth, so any discussion is pointless and leads nowhere.

Anti vaxers would do better to just say lets talk about this without claims bill gates is trying to exterminate a large percentage of the population.

Rich people know better than anyone else that numbers of people are needed to keep modern society going and if you rip out 50% or the population with a virus then society is going to collapse.

Not defending rich people here... I think if you have more than 5 million dollars in your bank then you need to be taxed a rich bastards tax until it goes down to 5 million.

The money that would generate would be enormous... but obviously rich people are the experts at avoiding paying their fair share of tax so why would they pay extra taxes?

Pro Vaxers should be saying we rushed those vaccines into use in an emergency... now that we have the time lets go through what we did and what happened and lets try to work out what worked and what didn't. What made things better and what made things worse.

I think part of the reason Africa and the rest of the world is looking to BRICS and turning on the west is because during COVID the west acted like total bastards and were brutal, despite their claims of being civilised and ethical and moral.

The richest countries bought up all the resources they could... many of which they never even used in the end... and then after the panic was over they started handing out vaccines and equipment... much of which was on or near its expiry dates.

There have been no open and honest discussions about this anywhere that I know of.... most western governments don't allow any alternative views on the subject... you know... like the true democracies that they are...

My greatest hope is that BRICS put together a healthcare system and big pharma system that is not private, because private is all about money, and treatments earn more money than cures. Even in the west most drug funding comes from government sources, but big pharma companies claim ownership of the products and sell them with as big a mark up as they think they can get away with.

They are not interested in patients, they are interested in how much money they can make... and that makes them evil.

GarryB wrote:My own experience with getting Covid was that I attended a family event where several people came down with Covid.

Something that doesn't even exist.

I am sure all the people who died from it will be relieved to hear they are not actually dead.

Who is this idiot and why post the shit he posts?

There was a time when to get into the public eye there was some vetting and scrutiny as to the message and the messenger.

Today any fuckwit with a computer can have a say.

The skill is to ID the FWs and ignore them and don't propagate their stupid messages.

Sadly you have made the world slightly dumber RTN.

If these mRNA vaxes are such an innocent product, then why are they still being dished out on an emergency use basis? There have been 3 years
to do "long" term studies, but none such studies have been carried out. Instead we have some scattered analysis of various effects and vax properties.

To this day, the vaxes are not being administered via the mucosal immune system. For example, as aerosol like the type asthmatics use. Instead we
have the ludicrous injection into the arm muscle as if these were classical vaccines composed of fragmented live viruses or bacteria. Also, there is
a reason why flu vaccines are basically a joke and this goes for the coof vaxes as well. Airborne virus infections are handled by the mucosal immune
system component and intravenous injected vaxes are not priming it. This manifests itself in the vaxxed and boosted getting the coof over and over.

Social media totalitarians morphed the initial lie about the intravenous vaxxes stopping the spread into the lie that they dampen the severity. This
us utter BS.

1) the vaxxed and boosted are, by definition, spreaders if they get sick.

2) the vaxxes have been demonstrated to suppress the immune system. This means that the vaxxed get more infections and are more active
spreaders.

The prime justification for forced vaccinations was to "stop the spread". A total lie pretext.

I wouldn't know about our headlines, I don't waste my time with local media, but no one I talk to has mentioned covid for a very long time... occasionally you see old people wearing masks but is it not an issue at all... and considering official figures show less than 5,000 deaths over a two year period that probably include our most vulnerable people who may have died in that time period anyway I think it was nothing really... but only because we handled it well.

We are at the arse end of the world so all we had to do was stop international flights and we are effectively automatically isolated. There is nothing past us apart from the Antarctic so we don't get any traffic going past us... we are essentially the end of the line, so isolating was effective for us... probably more so than the vaccines because by the time many of the cases reached here they were the lessor diluted versions that were not so aggressive.

The virulent response from the media and most governments is because they are pissed off with cunts who think they know better... when you have 10 million people on one building and someone pulls a fire alarm then everyone has to do what they are told... when you get small groups who claim they have rights regarding their own bodies and they don't want to because they don't trust the alarm, then democracy can go **** itself if they are blocking the doors. Very simply vaccinations work best in eliminating diseases when everyone has it and gets immunity. Very recently several children died in New Zealand from Measles or Rubella or some such treatable disease because their parents were either anti vax or didn't thing these diseases were dangerous. Modern western people don't understand the effects of such virus epidemics and many still claim Covid was a hoax. 100 years ago in Europe a small pox epidemic killed more people than were killed in WWI... by a wide margin.

That is the problem with white western people... they think these things are solved, but the solution relies on people keeping immunity by getting vaccinated. A portion of the population claim a few side effects or mistakes prove it is safer to not get immunised. Ironic people in the US should think this way... they had a president that succumbed to Polio during WWII... or did they forget that?

But of course western society is a me society and I will endure no hardships for the greater good...

And conversely governments and big pharma can't be trusted and they own the media and in this case the vaccine was rushed for political and economic reasons... the Russians were first again.... now the US will have to promise to cure cancer in 10 years... but the political power of the west was able to block the western world from getting the first vaccinations and made them wait for the rushed western vaccinations instead... if you let them complain it reveals the corruption and undemocratic and anti market forces agenda of the US and the west. Can't have that.

The prime justification for forced vaccinations was to "stop the spread". A total lie pretext.

You can't stop the spread, you can only create herd immunity... the ones who respect their own bodies and want to stay separate from the herd can take their chances on their own with the lions.

If the vaccination suppresses the immune system then people would be dying from covid and all the other flu type viruses going round.

You need to clarify that you mean covid vaccinations or are you claiming all vaccinations do this?

Your ability to spread a virus is very much independent of whether you got vaccinated or not. If you open mouth kiss all your friends and colleagues and don't wash your hands and wipe your nose a lot with your hands and you love touching things like door handles and arm rests and tables and chairs and every trolley in the supermarket then your potential to spread any disease is going to be high. If you don't cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, is another way to spread diseases. Screwing all your neighbours wives would do it too.

The 5th Wave seems to be all the rage in NZ at the moment. The expectation is at least a thousand deaths - about a quarter of the total deaths since 2020 - so maybe you should pay attention!?

New Zealand Herald trying to stay relevant the same way the Sun in the UK does... but without the tits on page three... instead they get the tits to write their stories.

...cause they're no longer needed...despite costing the poor taxpayers an arm and a leg

But on the bright side if anti vaxers are right and these were poison, they effectively saved other countries from a trap... rather than what they actually did was hoard all the life jackets on a sinking ship to make sure it was super buoyant... and when the ship didn't sink the way they were expecting they quietly throw the excess life jackets overboard because they don't work any more... these are the high and mighty... the core of Human Civilisation who tell everyone else what they should or shouldn't do... what a bunch of prize .

Now that is what I call - lifting somebody out of poverty!

Yeah... he was in the gutter before Covid and set up a big Pharma company and made his big money since covid... right.

I rather suspect he was already rich and this just made him so much cash he wanted to convert it into something that is not going to lose its value like US dollars or Euros...

The West conducts most of its wars to make its rich slightly richer... why would pandemics be any different?

Davos is planning a new pandemic, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 01.19.2024.

Billionaires and politicians at their beck and call, gathered at a Swiss resort, are animatedly discussing “disease X,” which is supposedly about to cover humanity. From somewhere it is known in advance that it will be 20 times more deadly than Covid.

The consensus was that the disease would be viral and would "most likely" jump from animals to humans. Already now - when there is no trace of a pandemic - it has been decided that the development period for vaccines against “disease X” will be one hundred days. Check out the logic: it’s unclear what kind of disease it is, but it has already been decided to create a vaccine against it in just over three months.

Right there on the sidelines is the head of the British AstraZeneka, which at one time released a coronavirus vaccine with so many side effects that even the patient British were forced to abandon it. It's a busy time for the owners of Big Pharma - the money won't earn itself.

In fact, in civilized countries, for example in Russia , serious scientists are engaged in planning the fight against pandemics and epidemics. They don’t hype the topic, but clearly think through the algorithm of actions so that, if anything happens, they are fully armed. At Davos, the number of capitalists clearly outnumbers the number of scientists. The main mouthpiece of “disease X,” WHO Secretary General Theodore Ghebreyesus, is not a doctor at all. The heads of pharmaceutical corporations surrounding him, who regularly and generously sponsor the WHO, even more so. The “economic motives” of this topic were rightly noted by our Rospotrebnadzor.

In fact, American pharmaceutical companies are preparing to once again trim the fat from the boar named Europe. The coronavirus run, when they received trillions of dollars worth of government orders from European governments for a kickback to Ursula von der Leyen , was successful. True, now unused vaccines are thrown away, but the money has already been spent. It would be a sin not to repeat the same thing with vaccines against “disease X”.

Considering the enormous amount of money that revolves around this topic, you can’t help but think that it would be possible to cope with all the ills that plague modern humanity. What about tuberculosis among the indigenous peoples of the United States ? This is a monstrous story. The situation with it is even worse in Ukraine : the Soviet healthcare system was “decommunized”, a new one was not created - and here is the result.

How are you doing with getting rid of cholera? WHO has been declaring it a priority goal for 20 years now. Bill Gates is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into this business, but where is the result? Maybe ask Russia for advice? At one time, our ancestors put an end to cholera, smallpox, plague, measles, diphtheria, meningitis, polio, practically eliminating all these diseases on the territory of the USSR . We can share our experience, this is a really serious matter.

It was the experience of our healthcare, the algorithms invented by Semashko, that helped Russia successfully pass the coronavirus test. The real problem was something else. At the same time, the information virus was spreading, plunging people into panic and uncertainty. Medicine has become politicized. Society split into sects - and each was dissatisfied with the government.

Some shouted that there was no coronavirus at all, some assured that it existed but was harmless, some were simply sick and tried not to read the news so as not to see all this. Then the hype about vaccines began: the vaccines were bad, and “the doctors poisoned the wells”; no, they are good, but there are not enough of them, and if there are enough, then they are not the same ones. Some people definitely wanted Western vaccines - they are, they say, more greedy. Treatment recipes appeared, each more surprising than the other.

Meanwhile, the coronavirus was gathering its harvest, taking away elderly and weakened citizens, and the natural human grief of their relatives again turned to the state: it, they say, did everything wrong. Death from natural causes seemed to cease to exist altogether; someone’s machinations seemed to be in everything.

This infovirus - panic, fear, paranoia - was no less, if not more dangerous, than Covid itself. But in Russia we went through all this in a lighter version. In the USA, Australia , and Britain, people were locked in their homes for many months, a total of from a year to two. In India , China , and many Asian countries, masks were worn until very recently. Australia noted that the number of suicides during the lockdown period exceeded the number of deaths from coronavirus.

Businesses went bankrupt, families collapsed, entire regions went bankrupt, people literally - without metaphors - went crazy. Throughout the summer of 2020, Europe was raging with huge rallies, and in the United States, witnesses to the BLM sect were rampaging. People were blowing off steam in the streets so as not to go crazy.
It is no wonder that today the masses in the West are very skeptical about the Davos “Disease X”. For some reason, people think that it is no coincidence that this whole story is playing out on the eve of elections in Europe and the United States.

In June, elections to the European Parliament threaten to bring anti-American politicians to power. In September there is voting in Germany , where Washington’s enemies are again striving for leadership . Between them are elections in Belgium , and according to their results, the citadel of the European Union may fall apart. What’s easier - to nightmare EU citizens with “disease X”, lock them in their homes and push their little people into power?

Moreover, I have experience. In 2020, lockdowns and other coronavirus restrictions made it possible to lock American voters in their homes, organize mail-in ballot stuffing, and prevent observers from entering polling stations. Voting fraud on an unprecedented scale followed - and Joe Biden ended up in the White House instead of Trump . Now the Democratic Party is ready to repeat it.

“It’s time before the elections! The new infection will allow them to implement new WHO rules, arrange lockdowns, limit freedom of speech and destroy our freedoms,” Republican publications quote former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Monica Crowley. “Does it seem like an exaggeration? In 2020, this is the same for us too it seemed."

Another thing is that the second time the topic of lockdowns can lead to the exact opposite result: desperate Trumpists will take to the streets and stage an armed rebellion. But the Democratic Party, it seems, is no longer calculating its moves - not enough.

As we see, very rich and influential people in the West are interested in a scam called “Disease X”. There is no point in Russia participating in this scam. However, this is absolutely no reason to relax.

Our American adversaries are tirelessly experimenting with viruses in their military laboratories, many of them located right on our borders. So while the West will be fighting imaginary threats, here at home we will be preparing for completely real ones.

https://ria.ru/20240119/davos-1922209093.html

That may be so but the NZ Herald is still the leading newspaper in the country with the largest circulation by far

A newspaper owned by a rich person who uses it to distribute information they want us to have.

Most of it is just copy and pasted from US and British news agencies... they barely change the wording at all... pathetic... but probably as good as the network news in this country... but not RT because RT is banned.

New Zealand will vote against a Russian submission to the UN to ban the glorification of nazism because freedom of speech, but will happily ban RT because Russian and Putin propaganda I guess is worse than nazism...

I do not hole Kiwi media to be any better than any other western media in terms of the truth or agendas.

You guys must be careful your ignorance could easily get you branded as 5th Wave deniers!

I have had all my shots... couldn't care less.

I think you missed my Italic POVERTY in my post above - indicating sarcasm followed by a lol. Perhaps it was a bit too subtle?

I understood the emoji you used... I was mocking the article not the delivery boy.

The consensus was that the disease would be viral and would "most likely" jump from animals to humans. Already now - when there is no trace of a pandemic - it has been decided that the development period for vaccines against “disease X” will be one hundred days. Check out the logic: it’s unclear what kind of disease it is, but it has already been decided to create a vaccine against it in just over three months.

It is just perverted preparation for when it happens again, and they are defining what they think would be appropriate guidelines and demands to limit its effect on them and possibly the important people in their countries.

It is essentially the richest people in the world realising that Covid didn't give a shit about how much they have in the bank and that someone needs to do something faster because next time they might die despite their enormous wealth and no one with an enormous amount of wealth wants to die.... they want to stay alive and enjoy and spend some of that money and live in comfort.

Our American adversaries are tirelessly experimenting with viruses in their military laboratories, many of them located right on our borders. So while the West will be fighting imaginary threats, here at home we will be preparing for completely real ones.

Russia cannot rest because the elite that control the west would murder every single Russian if they could... so they can steal your land and assets.