Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

Looks like turks moving into Syria, moving to other thread, this will be interesting

Belisarius wrote:
In the photo Uvarov Igor Aleksandrovich senior lieutenant of the 53rd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

It is this brigade that now stands near Ugledar. And today they missed one officer.

Igor Alexandrovich kindly left his positions and went over to our side. And as a great guest, he took gifts with him. He brought with him the latest secret maps, the personal data of all the officers and enlisted men in the brigade, and much, much more useful information.
Thank you good man.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/5485

Let’s hope he’s not intel and not part of an op.

Belisarius wrote:Ukraine’s Air Force command says Russia has deployed 800 aircraft units along borders of Ukraine.
https://t.me/asbmil/4034

I hope there is some truth to this. I want to see a phase 3.

Speaking of which, here is a question and an answer from the Saker. He is basically chickening out on taking Kiev. I think they better think about it for awhile. It is now or never.

Why does there need to be a rump Banderastan? Even more to the point, why should it be centered on Kiev? Why should Nazis rule the birthplace of Mother Russia? If Ukraine’s going to be dismembered, might as well do it well and thoroughly.

Well, for one thing because there are quite a few people in the Ukraine who want it. Yes, Kiev is the mother of all Russian cities, but I always believed that modern reality trumps any historical arguments. To invade Kiev would require a major military operation and many, many people would die. And Kiev run by russophobic Nazis is no worse than Moscow run by russophobic Bolsheviks. Yes, in a fair world, Kiev, a 100% Russian city historically, would never be run by Nazis. The question is this: how many Russian lives are you willing to sacrifice in order to correct this injustice? Speaking only for myself, my reply would be “zero”.

I care about the living a heck of a lot more than about the dead, or the distant past.
One more thing: all the riches of the Ukraine are located in the East and the South. A small Banderastan centered around Kiev would be a mostly rural entity which would not have the resources to threaten Russia.

And, how knows, maybe with time the inhabitants of this small chunk of land will come back to their senses (most of the Nazis will emigrate anyway).
The point is that I don’t believe that Russia should carry any more ballast than strictly needed for the safety and well-being of her people. Not a gram (or a millimeter) more.
Cheers

Belisarius wrote:Ukraine’s Air Force command says Russia has deployed 800 aircraft units along borders of Ukraine.
https://t.me/asbmil/4034

I pray this is a fact. Was Crimea the red line? I think Russia has to go all out now. It's clear NATO and Ukraine want to attack all along the front and will make no deals with Russia. Time to pulverize them into submission, there's no other choice. Kill or be killed mentality.

A tool of war, as good as any other, and even better if you don't have the strength to stage anything more serious.

Last act of a desperate country... it definitely means they are running out of options and are panicking.

The explosion at the airbase was used to show how "Russians are fleeing the Crimea", with footage of some scared lady as proof.

And the people who just went back to sun bathing at the beach shows the opposite... only the west believes their BS, plus a few Orcs here...

Having turned back the mighty entire Russian army and forcing them to advance in enormous reverse forcebacks, and having made the west look so coordinated and powerful, setting some grass on fire at an airbase is just pathetic.

Garry, go take care of your grandchildren or shear some sheep or whatever it is you're doing in NZ.

Don't fret for me CV... life continues as normal here in NZ.

You've seen Russia only in picture and don't have slightest idea how state apparatus and power circles function in Russian society.
Nobody here calls for firing of Putin. Russian bureaucracy is bigger than Putin or Russian tsar was. You have famous writers like Gogol and others writing about that.
It has mindset and behavior of its own. Change of that mindset will take decades. This war is a unigue situation to cleanse incompetence on a scale it would take decades to achieve in peace time. That's all.

So if the great prophesies of Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister are truly factual and politicians are just talking heads and all the real non work is done by civil servants who never change then why are you bitching about incompetence and heads needing to roll... you should already know the figureheads are just that and removing them will change nothing...

Have you heard about reunion referendums in already 4 ukie regions? Maybe, just maybe, Russia itself does not want them turned into barren lands?

A factor is it takes a serious coldness to obliterate a group of people... even if their soldiers shoot at you... to try to eliminate the entire people... civilians as well... is the sort of thing only some cultures can degrade to... the sort that will cancel an entire population because of the interests of their own very rich and powerful.

And I suspect another factor would be it takes a hell of a lot of ordinance to level a country... they are likely expending ordinance like nobodies business dealing with the enemies military forces without having to worry about dropping every bridge and building and burn every field and port.

About those red lines...

Maybe get rid of some of that stored waste by launching it into far western Ukraine and let them deal with it... pump a few litres into each cruise missile launched at targets there...

But if a human manages to cut a God, it has a greater effect, because the impossible became possible

If the enemy believes you to be a god then you are doing a good job.

I think a better comparison would be a professional mens sports team wont play children or amatuers... because their is no benefit for them... if they win then of course they should win... if they lose or the other side even just scores a few points or makes some good tackles or moves and you look bad.

Given that it makes sense for Russia not to invade Ukraine for fun because the results look bad, but Russia was given no choice so play the bloody game and stop complaining for every tiny scratch Russia gets while ignoring the limbs being ripped from your enemy.

You cannot put Russia and Ukraine on the same level even if Ukraine receives NATO assistance

20 odd years ago they were at the same level...

But the damage to morale and to fuel the belief that Ukraine can win , is done,

Except everyone knows the chance of an Orc win is zero... they are fighting to survive and to milk as much as they can from the west before pissing off to some tropical island where you don't have to pay tax.

In fact the damage that is made is more accurately described as counter productive because many Russians will now want revenge and for less respect to be given to an enemy that fights in such an underhanded way... desperate or not.

As putin himself stated , the war is 85% informational, 10% economic and 5% kinetic

Was he talking about the western military machine?

Or was he talking about 85% of the time you use diplomacy and talking to get what you want, 10% of the time you use sanctions and trade pressure to get what you want, and 5% of the time you have no choice but to invade and make what you want happen.

Meaning information and propaganda has a place in all of it , even if alone it will not change the facts

For your propaganda to be effective on the enemy population they have to hear it or be curious enough to try to track it down and learn your point of view... Russia is wasting its time with the majority of the people of the west who are about fuel and bread prices and could care less about suffering and damage their own countries create around the world.

Most westerners think the west and the US are forces for good.

They don't care what Putin is doing or why... he is the designated bad guy and Russians vote for him because they are all stupid.

Just keep grinding up the forces of Kiev and eventually the people left there will realise this is only destroying them as a people and a culture so they better start eliminating the nazis in their own house and talk to their neighbours about their future... the longer they leave that the worse their deal will end up being.

The west is in no position to help them with that... at all.

Or is it to force Russia to declare war? Instead of bickering about your corruption or defending ruskies or just being a shill of neolib/neocons ask why this is a target. What does the west want?

Good question... the US already pushed three buttons... nazis... bio weapons... and potentially nukes in Kievs hands... and they achieved what they wanted... war... but now they have the war they wanted, they didn't get the result they wanted which was Russian economic collapse and world condemnation and Putin being arrested and tried for war crimes by the Russian people... so now what?

Well all they have left is Afghanistan and Chernobyl, so the threat of a forever war, and nuclear terrorism become the focus... while also stirring shit up with China over Taiwan... what are the odds of this tornado picking up this house and shredding it and then dropping it back down on its original foundations and restoring it into one piece again like nothing happened... I am thinking zero.

The changes they set in motion Russia could never have engineered for itself, and essentially they will create a complete break between Russia and the west and China and the west and the rest of the world are watching...

As clown Gavin Williamson once incompetently put it: "Russia needs to go out and shut up"

The guy in charge of defence in Britain whose Apple product interrupted him during a speech in parliment asking him to clarify his question... Apple are spying on UK defence ministers including during meetings... and he kept his job!!!!!!

Finally they will accept this change, and try to enter the normal world , but it remains to be seen what of the west can actually exist as a normal society

Their report card for the last 30 years says does not play well with others, does not like to share, communicates with violence, respects no one.

Well I do not know what is going on . Are Russian SAM sites being jammed by F35 ? Or taken out by HARM fired from low flying drones ? Or are the SAM sites not taking the bait and firing back ?

For the attack on the airbase in Crimea to have been a ballistic weapon it would have been seen. If F-35s were jamming Russian SAM sites they would become legitimate targets and been shot down, drones would not get anywhere near Crimea... especially drones big enough to carry HARM, and HARM would be worse than useless against Russian air defence which for the last 40 years has been designed to shoot it down... the only way for it to be effective is like how Hinds can be effective in attacking targets behind Russian lines... you have to attack an undefended target... like a swimming pool or public toilet... you certainly couldn't attack an airfield in Crimea...

SAM sites are not firing back because there is nothing to fire at.

The fire and explosions at the air base was an accident... a fire that spread to ammo or fuel storage...

Or is it as some say just sabotage ?

Both incidents were investigated and the second incident was found to be sabotage.

Neither involved enemy missiles or rockets.

Well two can play that game . Just take these waste and put it next to Polish border , where weapon shipments cross into Ukraine ! If they move it , blow it up . If they attack NPP , blow it up !

Or replace half of Calibrs warhead with solid waste and deliver it that way...

Hole wrote:Or the new Kh-69 which combines the big warhead of the Kh-29 with stand-off capability. 

One notable external difference between this Kh-69 and the Kh-59MK2 is the nose fairing.

crod wrote:

Belisarius wrote:
In the photo Uvarov Igor Aleksandrovich senior lieutenant of the 53rd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

It is this brigade that now stands near Ugledar. And today they missed one officer.

Igor Alexandrovich kindly left his positions and went over to our side. And as a great guest, he took gifts with him. He brought with him the latest secret maps, the personal data of all the officers and enlisted men in the brigade, and much, much more useful information.
Thank you good man.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/5485

Let’s hope he’s not intel and not part of an op.

And that he doesn't have a family in Ukraine for this would be a death sentence for them.

Smile time

Big_Gazza wrote:

Backman wrote:To invade Kiev would require a major military operation and many, many people would die.

Yes, but there are options other than trying to storm the city.  Firstly, Russia destroys the Ukro military in the field. Then blockade and embargo Kiev.  Cut the electricity, water and gas.  Force the authorities to capitulate.  If people suffer then that is tough.  The regime has lost, and they need to surrender unconditionally. When things get desperate enough, people will flee and abandon the failed regime.

Stalin was forced into a battle for Berlin at great cost as the Western allies were rapidly advancing (Nazi forces were sent eastwards to slow the Russians as the Nazis preferred a surrender to US, UK & French forces rather than Soviet) and a siege of Berlin was not an option due to lack of time.  No such problem however will exist when it comes time to take Kiev and kill the regime in its cradle.

The regime will have left Kiev long before Russian troops are coming to the city limits. Does someone really think that some police officers will fight against russian soldiers to "defend" a city without administration? Russia will come in, take it over, lower the costs of living and raise wages and most people will be fine with it.

ALAMO wrote:...
Telegramm just reminded me something.

"Russians! I now address to all Russians, the inhabitants of Ukraine and Belarus in the Balkans are also considered to be Russians. Look at us and remember - they will do the same to you when you break up and give weakness.

The West, that rabid dog, will get at your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Don't let it do the same to you!"

From Slobodan Milosevic's last interview.

That traitor commie piece of shit can rot in Hell alongside his precious Yugoslavia

While people were getting slaughtered in wars he never planned on winning he was having business dinners with his buddies Tudjman and Izetbegivic while his family and friends were robbing the country blind and his whore daughter was blasting Croatian music on her TV stations 24/7 literally as refugee columns were arriving from Croatia in '95

This asshole was definition of American asset and a disposable one as he learned in the end

I am only sorry we were denied the satisfaction of giving him Gadaffi treatment but alas his owners had additional use planned for him to f*ck us over some more