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considering they knocked out nine aircraft I would hardly be making sarcastic responses
Why so shy, make it twenty
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
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Why so shy, make it twenty
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
caveat emptor Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:41 pm
Maybe because some people from Russian side have financial interests in Ukraine or already have their eyes on some of the Ukrainian assets?Backman wrote:
I don't get why Russia went way overkill in Syria as a means of displaying their power and as a commercial for their arms exports. But they are doing none of that in Ukraine.
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flamming_python wrote:Dforce wrote:As I said, smoking is bad:
And how many Russian servicemen killed?
Or just some ammo of which Russia is a major producer and the biggest hoarder of in the world?
You people live in your own reality. Meanwhile every day brings hundreds of dead Ukrainian soldiers, driven on by a leadership that has no desire to negotiate
In a first place, I suppose the film made from a train is irrelevant to the situation.
Take a look at the map. There is obviously a railway close to the base, but not as close as on the movie. And the area that it passes does not look like suitable for storage of Grads we see in the background - there is much more hardened space around rather than unpaved land next to the railway.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
caveat emptor Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:47 pm
Backman wrote:
Yeah yeah. You can sure count on some of the dopes on this site to signal boost every little cheap shot that Ukraine makes way out of proportion.
Losses are normal in the war. Check out the video. You can see there that somebody utterly incompetent would store ammo and weapons this way.
These are completely avoidable losses and that is my point. Just follow procedures.
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ALAMO wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
considering they knocked out nine aircraft I would hardly be making sarcastic responses
Why so shy, make it twenty
Twenty!
These sabotage acts have more value to the war effort for the Ukie side than a lot of the Western wunderwaffe and cannon fodder thrown to the fire. They're also relatively simple, cheap, and has low manpower usage.
All it takes is a rational actor on the other side, after crossing red lines aka called bluffs in initial probing attempts earlier in the war. Now it's all about execution and setting every little pile of powder on fire.
In the end, the question that was already answered to those behind these acts was..... What are you go gonna do about it? The Kremlin responded loud (cough) and clear.
Well fine then.
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As I said, smoking is bad:
Losing hundreds of troops a day and you think a few explosions and fires with two people getting injured are going to help your side win...
Enjoy it.
Still, doesn’t make sense why they are doing it now
Officials getting fired for treason... I would say things are starting to collapse from the inside...
I'm sorry to say, but all the Telegram channels that spent days trying to explain away the air base attack as an accidental fire are going to look dumber and dumber as more attacks occur in Crimea.
Yeah, of course... that airbase incident was obviously a super stealth ballistic missile no body detected at all, which makes you wonder why they haven't used it on any other target before or since... lots of very important targets on the Crimea... critical data centres for the Russian Navy as well as major HQ sites... it is like the Moskva and all those other ships sunk by Harpoons and Neptunes... except they haven't used those again either... almost like they never used them in the first place and it is all propaganda bullshit as usual from the nazis...
People trying to minimize everything Ukrainians do, are as autistic as khokhols. Sure, it won't change end result, but stupid losses and mistakes should be rectified.
And there is a lot of rot in Russian bureaucracy. That's not even a question.
And internet warriors like you who claim every accident or mistake means Putin must be fired or other officials or leaders need to be replaced because waiting in the wings are these perfect heroes who never make a mistake and are bloody perfect... kinda makes you wonder why they are the B team though doesn't it... I mean if they can do a better job with no mistakes or problems...
You know what sort of person never makes mistakes... opposition politicians... and that is because they never do anything so they can't be blamed for anything and everything the government does is wrong... but the strange thing is that eventually when they get into power they are as useless as the idiots they complained about when they were in opposition.
As PD often says, if they couldn't protect it, they didn't deserve to have it in the first place.
Opposition politician quoting Opposition party leader...
Kremlin sent the signal, it's ok to admit the Crimea airbase incident was sabotage now. Fall in line. No more need to defend the integrity of the general staff....at least on this issue.
They haven't commented on the airbase incident yet AFAIK... they said it was the more recent incident that was sabotage.
They'll do the same like the dimwitts in this forum, move on to the next thing to damage control for. It can't be helped, it won't change. Partisan slaves.
Dimwitts love this process, they become even accustomed to it... routine.
All supporters of Russia are idiots... that is why the west is winning in the Ukraine I guess... reality is too harsh.
I don't get why Russia went way overkill in Syria as a means of displaying their power and as a commercial for their arms exports. But they are doing none of that in Ukraine.
They are killing more nazis a day than they are killing ISIS terrorists in a week in Syria... but you think they are being soft?
Draw two circles for ATACMS at max range ( they would fire from max range , deeper inside Ukrainian territory for safety from counter artillery ) and where they intersect , you find the " saboteurs .
How many times does it need to be pointed out ATACMS is a double range FROG-7 rocket that ancient Soviet SAMs could intercept... its guidance makes it much more accurate but it would never reach its target so its accuracy means nothing at all.
These sabotage acts have more value to the war effort for the Ukie side than a lot of the Western wunderwaffe and cannon fodder thrown to the fire.
Of course... that is the plan... while Orc conscripts get butchered up by Russian artillery in their thousands, on the sly in the background western special forces sneak around the Crimea setting grass fires hoping they reach some ammo or fuel dump... where two major results killed on person and injured two others.
They are well on their way to winning this that is perfectly clear... NOT.
In the end, the question that was already answered to those behind these acts was? What's you go gonna do about it? The Kremlin responded loud and clear.
They have been throwing insults and slaps at Russia for the last 8 (100) years... the answer is ongoing and is costing the Ukraine in blood... but they don't give a **** and nor does the west so Russia will continue to burn through the Ukrainian gene pool till they are no longer a problem.
Made up stories of heroic attacks on Russian targets are meaningless and pointless... of the million different targets in Russia including soldiers and vehicles and buildings and aircraft and ammo dumps and fuel dumps... minus two... big deal.
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Kievans manage to make some attacks because they have been roaming freely in Russia for ages.
It's the same as with islamists some decades back. There were "plenty" of strikes because those people were not under strict supervision. There are hardly strikes now as intelligence agencies have adapted and are keeping close eye on suspicious people. This happened in many countries.
I'm sure same is happening to Kievans now. Soon they are not able to make attacks anymore as their cells are exposed, infiltrated and eliminated by FSB.
Interesting is also that Kiev is activating the terrorist cells now. Those are after all the best chance the Kievans have to make attacks inside the current borders of Russia. They must understand cells will be exposed soon after these attacks. And then they have lost this asset.
Maybe they are desperate.
It's the same as with islamists some decades back. There were "plenty" of strikes because those people were not under strict supervision. There are hardly strikes now as intelligence agencies have adapted and are keeping close eye on suspicious people. This happened in many countries.
I'm sure same is happening to Kievans now. Soon they are not able to make attacks anymore as their cells are exposed, infiltrated and eliminated by FSB.
Interesting is also that Kiev is activating the terrorist cells now. Those are after all the best chance the Kievans have to make attacks inside the current borders of Russia. They must understand cells will be exposed soon after these attacks. And then they have lost this asset.
Maybe they are desperate.
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Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (15082022)
High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit the temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries in the area of the settlement of Zolochiv, Kharkiv region. More than a hundred militants from Poland and Germany were killed and more than 50 wounded.
In the area of the Apostolovo and Sinelnikovo railway stations in the Dnipropetrovsk region, two traction power substations were disabled by high-precision air-launched missiles.
As a result of the strike of the Russian army aviation on the combat positions of the 63rd mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Belogorka and Lozove in the Kherson region, the losses of the 105th and 107th battalions of this brigade amounted to more than 160 nationalists.
In the area of the settlement of Maryinka of the Donetsk People's Republic, an artillery strike by Russian troops on the combat positions of the 66th mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine eliminated more than 70 percent of the personnel of the third battalion of this compound.
In the areas of the settlements of Ugledar, Vodiane and Dobrovolye of the Donetsk People's Republic, more than 260 nationalists were destroyed by high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the combat positions of the 53rd mechanized and 68th Infantry-Jaeger brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
In the Soledar direction, as a result of offensive actions and fire damage to combat positions, more than 50 percent of the personnel and military equipment of the 15th Battalion of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were eliminated.
During the day, the following command posts of the 112th Territorial Defense Brigade in the Artemovsk area, the 60th Infantry Brigade in the Osokorovka area of the Kherson region, as well as manpower, weapons and military equipment, including nationalist battalions, in the areas of the settlements of Merefa of the Kharkiv region, Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, in the city were hit Mykolaiv and Velikomikhailovka, Dnipropetrovsk region.
Destroyed: a warehouse of rocket and artillery weapons in the Zaichevskoye area of the Mykolaiv region, three ammunition depots near the settlements of Kramatorsk and Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as two fuel depots for military equipment in the Chuguev and Kovyagi areas of the Kharkiv region.
As part of the counter-battery struggle, a platoon of Ukrainian artillery guns "Msta-B" was hit in the Mayorsk area of the Donetsk People's Republic.
In addition, three platoons of Grad multiple launch rocket systems were suppressed in the areas of the settlements of Zvanovka, Soledar, Zaitsevo, as well as four artillery platoons of Hyacinth-B artillery guns and three platoons of D-30 howitzers in firing positions in the areas of the settlements of Seversk, Artemovsk, Panteleimonovka, Georgievka, Novoselka, Krestishche of the Donetsk People's Republic and Novoaleksandrovka of the Kherson region.
Russian air defense means shot down three Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles during the day in the areas of the settlements of Maryinka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Chervonoye of the Kherson region and Udy of the Kharkiv region.
In addition, two multiple launch rockets were intercepted near the settlement of Novotroitskoye in the Donetsk People's Republic.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 267 aircraft, 148 helicopters, 1,741 unmanned aerial vehicles, 365 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,311 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 799 multiple rocket launchers, 3,304 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 4,891 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (15082022)
High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit the temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries in the area of the settlement of Zolochiv, Kharkiv region. More than a hundred militants from Poland and Germany were killed and more than 50 wounded.
In the area of the Apostolovo and Sinelnikovo railway stations in the Dnipropetrovsk region, two traction power substations were disabled by high-precision air-launched missiles.
As a result of the strike of the Russian army aviation on the combat positions of the 63rd mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Belogorka and Lozove in the Kherson region, the losses of the 105th and 107th battalions of this brigade amounted to more than 160 nationalists.
In the area of the settlement of Maryinka of the Donetsk People's Republic, an artillery strike by Russian troops on the combat positions of the 66th mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine eliminated more than 70 percent of the personnel of the third battalion of this compound.
In the areas of the settlements of Ugledar, Vodiane and Dobrovolye of the Donetsk People's Republic, more than 260 nationalists were destroyed by high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the combat positions of the 53rd mechanized and 68th Infantry-Jaeger brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
In the Soledar direction, as a result of offensive actions and fire damage to combat positions, more than 50 percent of the personnel and military equipment of the 15th Battalion of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were eliminated.
During the day, the following command posts of the 112th Territorial Defense Brigade in the Artemovsk area, the 60th Infantry Brigade in the Osokorovka area of the Kherson region, as well as manpower, weapons and military equipment, including nationalist battalions, in the areas of the settlements of Merefa of the Kharkiv region, Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, in the city were hit Mykolaiv and Velikomikhailovka, Dnipropetrovsk region.
Destroyed: a warehouse of rocket and artillery weapons in the Zaichevskoye area of the Mykolaiv region, three ammunition depots near the settlements of Kramatorsk and Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as two fuel depots for military equipment in the Chuguev and Kovyagi areas of the Kharkiv region.
As part of the counter-battery struggle, a platoon of Ukrainian artillery guns "Msta-B" was hit in the Mayorsk area of the Donetsk People's Republic.
In addition, three platoons of Grad multiple launch rocket systems were suppressed in the areas of the settlements of Zvanovka, Soledar, Zaitsevo, as well as four artillery platoons of Hyacinth-B artillery guns and three platoons of D-30 howitzers in firing positions in the areas of the settlements of Seversk, Artemovsk, Panteleimonovka, Georgievka, Novoselka, Krestishche of the Donetsk People's Republic and Novoaleksandrovka of the Kherson region.
Russian air defense means shot down three Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles during the day in the areas of the settlements of Maryinka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Chervonoye of the Kherson region and Udy of the Kharkiv region.
In addition, two multiple launch rockets were intercepted near the settlement of Novotroitskoye in the Donetsk People's Republic.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 267 aircraft, 148 helicopters, 1,741 unmanned aerial vehicles, 365 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,311 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 799 multiple rocket launchers, 3,304 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 4,891 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
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GarryB wrote:
Made up stories of heroic attacks on Russian targets are meaningless and pointless... of the million different targets in Russia including soldiers and vehicles and buildings and aircraft and ammo dumps and fuel dumps... minus two... big deal.
They are doing that to start up the panic, which can be used later for fooling the people and increasing the propaganda load.
A tool of war, as good as any other, and even better if you don't have the strength to stage anything more serious.
The explosion at the airbase was used to show how "Russians are fleeing the Crimea", with footage of some scared lady as proof.
People who are watching even the Russian language sources can easily divide the materials considering the authors.
The first ones come from any kind of war reporters, people who are there, while the others are being presented by folks who are never closer to the frontline than 300 km
Now, let's consider who runs a panic mode each time when a henhouse is on fire?
Sure if there is sane criticism from people who know the situation, we can be worried.
But we have folks like Strelkov, who now runs a clown league officially, and people who really follow his show.
Or we have folks like Podoljaka, who obviously went the wise guy mode, and that brought too much sparkling water inside his head.
Urluber wrote:Kievans manage to make some attacks because they have been roaming freely in Russia for ages.
It's the same as with islamists some decades back. There were "plenty" of strikes because those people were not under strict supervision. There are hardly strikes now as intelligence agencies have adapted and are keeping close eye on suspicious people. This happened in many countries.
I'm sure same is happening to Kievans now. Soon they are not able to make attacks anymore as their cells are exposed, infiltrated and eliminated by FSB.
Interesting is also that Kiev is activating the terrorist cells now. Those are after all the best chance the Kievans have to make attacks inside the current borders of Russia. They must understand cells will be exposed soon after these attacks. And then they have lost this asset.
Maybe they are desperate.
Those cells are being eliminated on a routine practice and daily basis. Both in Russia and Belarus, because they are trying to stage terrorist acts in Belarus either.
There is footage from the elimination of such a group yesterday : https://t.me/boris_rozhin/60547
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
caveat emptor Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:24 pm
GarryB wrote:
And internet warriors like you who claim every accident or mistake means Putin must be fired or other officials or leaders need to be replaced because waiting in the wings are these perfect heroes who never make a mistake and are bloody perfect... kinda makes you wonder why they are the B team though doesn't it... I mean if they can do a better job with no mistakes or problems...
You know what sort of person never makes mistakes... opposition politicians... and that is because they never do anything so they can't be blamed for anything and everything the government does is wrong... but the strange thing is that eventually when they get into power they are as useless as the idiots they complained about when they were in opposition.
As PD often says, if they couldn't protect it, they didn't deserve to have it in the first place.
Opposition politician quoting Opposition party leader...
Garry, go take care of your grandchildren or shear some sheep or whatever it is you're doing in NZ.
You've seen Russia only in picture and don't have slightest idea how state apparatus and power circles function in Russian society.
Nobody here calls for firing of Putin. Russian bureaucracy is bigger than Putin or Russian tsar was. You have famous writers like Gogol and others writing about that.
It has mindset and behavior of its own. Change of that mindset will take decades. This war is a unigue situation to cleanse incompetence on a scale it would take decades to achieve in peace time. That's all.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
caveat emptor Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:30 pm
What they've managed to produce, so far, was to increase disdain to incompetence among military bureaucrats.ALAMO wrote:
They are doing that to start up the panic, which can be used later for fooling the people and increasing the propaganda load.
A tool of war, as good as any other, and even better if you don't have the strength to stage anything more serious.
The explosion at the airbase was used to show how "Russians are fleeing the Crimea", with footage of some scared lady as proof.
People who are watching even the Russian language sources can easily divide the materials considering the authors.
The first ones come from any kind of war reporters, people who are there, while the others are being presented by folks who are never closer to the frontline than 300 km
Now, let's consider who runs a panic mode each time when a henhouse is on fire?
Sure if there is sane criticism from people who know the situation, we can be worried.
But we have folks like Strelkov, who now runs a clown league officially, and people who really follow his show.
Or we have folks like Podoljaka, who obviously went the wise guy mode, and that brought too much sparkling water inside his head.
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Maybe???Urluber wrote:Maybe they are desperate.
They´re desperate.
Since week 2 of the conflict the NATO forces are only capable of terrorist-style attacks, mostly against pure civilian targets. Which shows you how "mighty" NATO really is.
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caveat emptor wrote:
Garry, go take care of your grandchildren or shear some sheep or whatever it is you're doing in NZ.
You've seen Russia only in picture and don't have slightest idea how state apparatus and power circles function in Russian society.
Nobody here calls for firing of Putin. Russian bureaucracy is bigger than Putin or Russian tsar was. You have famous writers like Gogol and others writing about that.
It has mindset and behavior of its own. Change of that mindset will take decades. This war is a unigue situation to cleanse incompetence on a scale it would take decades to achieve in peace time. That's all.
You know how it works ...
Strong people create good times.
Good times create weak people.
Weak people create bad times.
Bad times create strong people.
Make a loop&continue
caveat emptor wrote:
What they've managed to produce, so far, was an increase of disdain to incompetence among military bureaucrats.
I will tell you a secret if you promise not to share it
There are tons of incompetent military bureaucrats in each bloody army.
A more distant from any serious threats ye more of them.
Considering that fact, I would say that the Russkies have less of them rather than more
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
caveat emptor Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:40 pm
I wholeheartedly agree with that.ALAMO wrote:
I will tell you a secret if you promise not to share it
There are tons of incompetent military bureaucrats in each bloody army.
A more distant from any serious threats ye more of them.
Considering that fact, I would say that the Russkies have less of them rather than more
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caveat emptor wrote:Maybe because some people from Russian side have financial interests in Ukraine or already have their eyes on some of the Ukrainian assets?
Have you heard about reunion referendums in already 4 ukie regions? Maybe, just maybe, Russia itself does not want them turned into barren lands?
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LMFS wrote:caveat emptor wrote:Maybe because some people from Russian side have financial interests in Ukraine or already have their eyes on some of the Ukrainian assets?
Have you heard about reunion referendums in already 4 ukie regions? Maybe, just maybe, Russia itself does not want them turned into barren lands?
I would say, you both have said the same thing using different words
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https://www.rt.com/russia/560971-ukraine-bombs-waste-containers-zaporozhye/
Ukraine bombs nuclear waste storage site inside Zaporozhye NPP – official
About those red lines...
Ukraine bombs nuclear waste storage site inside Zaporozhye NPP – official
“One of the guided missiles hit just 10 meters” from the barrels with spent nuclear fuel,” Rogov told Soloviev Live. “Others hit a bit farther away, 50 to 200 meters.”
Since the storage site is out in the open, any hit will result in the release of nuclear waste ranging from dozens to hundreds of kilograms and contamination of the area, the official explained. “In plain language, that would be like a dirty bomb,” said Rogov.
About those red lines...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Arkanghelsk Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:52 pm
Noone cares if Ukrainians lose 1 million men in the war
The west does not, and the rest of theworld won't either , in fact noone gives a shit how many of them die- that is the price of being fodder
The problem is making a false equivalent between Ukrainian losses and Russian ones
Russia is like a God , Ukraine is a mortal
It is nothing for a God to pummel a human , in other words expected
But if a human manages to cut a God, it has a greater effect, because the impossible became possible
You cannot put Russia and Ukraine on the same level even if Ukraine receives NATO assistance
So the propaganda effect of the Ukrainians blowing up a worthless depot or a couple of planes will have a tremendous effect on the informational side
Of course this won't win a war, and has no effect in grand scale of things
But the damage to morale and to fuel the belief that Ukraine can win , is done, regardless if it is true or not, it gives wind to arms deliveries and aid , and western populations continue to tolerate economic losses , because some evidence of the Ukro Counter Offensive suddenly appeard on an Updoot of NAFO
Russia will win the war, no matter what is written and no matter what random fuel depot gets destroyed
It is a fact of life, when you put Russia before Ukraine
But these things cannot happen for the morale of the population and the army
Yes morale itself is high anyway, but if it can be avoided it is better to have a good informational weapon
As putin himself stated , the war is 85% informational, 10% economic and 5% kinetic
Meaning information and propaganda has a place in all of it , even if alone it will not change the facts
The west does not, and the rest of theworld won't either , in fact noone gives a shit how many of them die- that is the price of being fodder
The problem is making a false equivalent between Ukrainian losses and Russian ones
Russia is like a God , Ukraine is a mortal
It is nothing for a God to pummel a human , in other words expected
But if a human manages to cut a God, it has a greater effect, because the impossible became possible
You cannot put Russia and Ukraine on the same level even if Ukraine receives NATO assistance
So the propaganda effect of the Ukrainians blowing up a worthless depot or a couple of planes will have a tremendous effect on the informational side
Of course this won't win a war, and has no effect in grand scale of things
But the damage to morale and to fuel the belief that Ukraine can win , is done, regardless if it is true or not, it gives wind to arms deliveries and aid , and western populations continue to tolerate economic losses , because some evidence of the Ukro Counter Offensive suddenly appeard on an Updoot of NAFO
Russia will win the war, no matter what is written and no matter what random fuel depot gets destroyed
It is a fact of life, when you put Russia before Ukraine
But these things cannot happen for the morale of the population and the army
Yes morale itself is high anyway, but if it can be avoided it is better to have a good informational weapon
As putin himself stated , the war is 85% informational, 10% economic and 5% kinetic
Meaning information and propaganda has a place in all of it , even if alone it will not change the facts
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Why should move troops around or send aircraft on bombing missions to hunt down Nazi troops if the geniuses in Washington/Brussels/Kiev send their fighters towards them?LMFS wrote:caveat emptor wrote:Maybe because some people from Russian side have financial interests in Ukraine or already have their eyes on some of the Ukrainian assets?
Have you heard about reunion referendums in already 4 ukie regions? Maybe, just maybe, Russia itself does not want them turned into barren lands?
Result is that the destruction is concentrated on a relatively small area, besides the strategic targets anywhere in the fake state, like companies of the MIC, fuel and ammo depots
and the barracks of soldiers/mercs.
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Brazen. Also since it is connected to nuclear material many would see this as a move forcing Russia to act. My question is why. Is this to get western "peacekeepers" to come in? Or is it to force Russia to declare war? Instead of bickering about your corruption or defending ruskies or just being a shill of neolib/neocons ask why this is a target. What does the west want? This seems extremely desperate. Also ruskies and slavs posting here instead of bitching about fanbois like us and eternally complaining of corruption please explain without bitterness or sarcasm stuff that you think is going on that you think we dont understand.
Also those mocking red lines remember Yahu and Obama loved using these before. I hated the redline horseshir then and I hate it now. Atlascub quit being a faggot.
Also those mocking red lines remember Yahu and Obama loved using these before. I hated the redline horseshir then and I hate it now. Atlascub quit being a faggot.
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TMA1 wrote:Brazen. Also since it is connected to nuclear material many would see this as a move forcing Russia to act. My question is why. Is this to get western "peacekeepers" to come in? Or is it to force Russia to declare war? Instead of bickering about your corruption or defending ruskies or just being a shill of neolib/neocons ask why this is a target. What does the west want? This seems extremely desperate. Also ruskies and slavs posting here instead of bitching about fanbois like us and eternally complaining of corruption please explain without bitterness or sarcasm stuff that you think is going on that you think we dont understand.
Also those mocking red lines remember Yahu and Obama loved using these before. I hated the redline horseshir then and I hate it now. Atlascub quit being a faggot.
At this point in time, Anglos just want to see Russians suffer and die, it is really that simple and it does not matter how. As clown Gavin Williamson once incompetently put it: "Russia needs to go out and shut up"
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Arkanghelsk Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:14 pm
It's more than that
According to Kubler Ross model, which was made for western psychology
The Anglo Saxons are in the 2nd stage of 5
The first was denial, when Obama and before then other Anglos denied that Russia had any influence at all, Once they realized the extent of Russian strength and ability to change their initiatives, they quickly moved to anger stage 2
In this stage the Anglos believe that their anger at Russian power being re-established by Putin will be satiated by conducting some kind of punitive actions against Russians , like denigrating comical racist comment, or banning Russians from sporting events - but even that and conducting war against Russians won't help them as they move to stage 3
When this is said and done, the collective Anglo conscious will move to bargaining, where they will self bargain after paying so much in blood and treasure to spite Russia, that it was worth it, which they already do with hilarious tropes like Putins price hike, or Putins oil drop, or visa restrictions
after they are firmly depressed by lost economic prospects, inability to assert themselves in old strongholds, and diminishing returns, they will enter a period of depression and cynicism where they will simply shut out the developments of the new world order - you see this in social media, where a multitude of confounding and contradicting viewpoints exist , to the point of Bipolar disorder with subject like Julian Roepcke and other affected subjects proving that some in the west are depressed by the inability to push Russia back to the cave
Finally they will accept this change, and try to enter the normal world , but it remains to be seen what of the west can actually exist as a normal society
According to Kubler Ross model, which was made for western psychology
The Anglo Saxons are in the 2nd stage of 5
The first was denial, when Obama and before then other Anglos denied that Russia had any influence at all, Once they realized the extent of Russian strength and ability to change their initiatives, they quickly moved to anger stage 2
In this stage the Anglos believe that their anger at Russian power being re-established by Putin will be satiated by conducting some kind of punitive actions against Russians , like denigrating comical racist comment, or banning Russians from sporting events - but even that and conducting war against Russians won't help them as they move to stage 3
When this is said and done, the collective Anglo conscious will move to bargaining, where they will self bargain after paying so much in blood and treasure to spite Russia, that it was worth it, which they already do with hilarious tropes like Putins price hike, or Putins oil drop, or visa restrictions
after they are firmly depressed by lost economic prospects, inability to assert themselves in old strongholds, and diminishing returns, they will enter a period of depression and cynicism where they will simply shut out the developments of the new world order - you see this in social media, where a multitude of confounding and contradicting viewpoints exist , to the point of Bipolar disorder with subject like Julian Roepcke and other affected subjects proving that some in the west are depressed by the inability to push Russia back to the cave
Finally they will accept this change, and try to enter the normal world , but it remains to be seen what of the west can actually exist as a normal society
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
flamming_python Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:17 pm
Apparently none of the mercs taken prisoner in the DNR have been bumped off as of yet, contrary to the rumour that was floating around
They're all alive and well, according to John Mark Dougan - the guy who got one of the mercs to sing the Russian national anthem on camera during his last interview.
JMD is well connected in the Donbass, having interviewed Pushilin, as well as the foreign minister of the LNR. He's interviewed a couple of the captured NATO mercs already.
They're all alive and well, according to John Mark Dougan - the guy who got one of the mercs to sing the Russian national anthem on camera during his last interview.
JMD is well connected in the Donbass, having interviewed Pushilin, as well as the foreign minister of the LNR. He's interviewed a couple of the captured NATO mercs already.
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TMA1 wrote:Brazen. Also since it is connected to nuclear material many would see this as a move forcing Russia to act. My question is why. Is this to get western "peacekeepers" to come in? Or is it to force Russia to declare war? Instead of bickering about your corruption or defending ruskies or just being a shill of neolib/neocons ask why this is a target. What does the west want? This seems extremely desperate. Also ruskies and slavs posting here instead of bitching about fanbois like us and eternally complaining of corruption please explain without bitterness or sarcasm stuff that you think is going on that you think we dont understand.
Also those mocking red lines remember Yahu and Obama loved using these before. I hated the redline horseshir then and I hate it now. Atlascub quit being a faggot.
I saw in western press today the Kievan puppet foaming from mouth that it would be a colossal loss for humanity if the world community failed to protect the nuclear power plant.
That is a message directed to western audiences. And puppy is of course speaking what his masters have told him to.
So I bet they are trying to get some international group move in and take the powerplant under supervision. They try to create pressure for Russia to accept this. What would that do? At least make the involvement of western powers more official. That could in theory act as some sort of guarantee for Kievan regime to keep existing if they are one of the signatories of this international agreement backed by for example USA.
But hard to say.
Surely Kievan regime will go to the bitter end anyway. We all should be prepared for this emotionally - very nasty things can happen when they hear the knocking at chancellory door. They are insane. Fanatics. Their idols did not have nuclear reactors to blow up as last orders but we remember the metro tunnels.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22
Belisarius Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:25 pm
August 15, 2022
The Public Relations Center of the Federal Security Service of Russia on Monday, August 15, published information about the elimination of two terrorists preparing to blow up an oil pipeline in the Volgograd region. We've collected everything we know about the incident at this hour.
According to the FSB of Russia, members of the right-wing radical group banned in Russia "Restrukt", created by Maxim "Tesak" Martsinkevich, are suspected of preparing terrorist attacks. The ministry clarified that during the arrest, the men put up armed resistance and were killed.
The special services claim that the organization of sabotage, controlled by the Ukrainian special services, was conducted by 36-year-old Russian citizen Andrey Chuenkov, now a member of the Ukrainian special forces unit Uragan, banned in Russia, and a citizen of Ukraine, 34-year-old Yuri Ionov, a member of the Ukrainian national battalion Azov, banned in Russia.
https://v1-ru.turbopages.org/v1.ru/s/text/incidents/2022/08/15/71572361/
August 16, 2022
The Federal Security Service (FSB), together with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, prevented the arson of administrative buildings of the Mineralovodsk City district and the city district of the resort city of Zheleznovodsk. This is stated in the message of the FSB, received by RBC.
According to the agency, the attack was planned by a member of the Right Sector (an extremist organization banned in Russia). The suspect was detained and arrested.
"During the search measures, components for making an incendiary mixture were found and seized. The defendant confessed, " the report says.
https://rbc-ru.turbopages.org/rbc.ru/s/politics/16/08/2022/62fb47419a794735ec6a01aa
The Public Relations Center of the Federal Security Service of Russia on Monday, August 15, published information about the elimination of two terrorists preparing to blow up an oil pipeline in the Volgograd region. We've collected everything we know about the incident at this hour.
According to the FSB of Russia, members of the right-wing radical group banned in Russia "Restrukt", created by Maxim "Tesak" Martsinkevich, are suspected of preparing terrorist attacks. The ministry clarified that during the arrest, the men put up armed resistance and were killed.
The special services claim that the organization of sabotage, controlled by the Ukrainian special services, was conducted by 36-year-old Russian citizen Andrey Chuenkov, now a member of the Ukrainian special forces unit Uragan, banned in Russia, and a citizen of Ukraine, 34-year-old Yuri Ionov, a member of the Ukrainian national battalion Azov, banned in Russia.
https://v1-ru.turbopages.org/v1.ru/s/text/incidents/2022/08/15/71572361/
August 16, 2022
The Federal Security Service (FSB), together with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, prevented the arson of administrative buildings of the Mineralovodsk City district and the city district of the resort city of Zheleznovodsk. This is stated in the message of the FSB, received by RBC.
According to the agency, the attack was planned by a member of the Right Sector (an extremist organization banned in Russia). The suspect was detained and arrested.
"During the search measures, components for making an incendiary mixture were found and seized. The defendant confessed, " the report says.
https://rbc-ru.turbopages.org/rbc.ru/s/politics/16/08/2022/62fb47419a794735ec6a01aa
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