Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
Civilians have now been left to the Fascho Mob twice. How do you want to conquer the hearts of people there if you leave them so easily to the fascist Mob? What is the goal????
Russen free from fascists! What is not the goal? Course the civilist from fascist not torture! Civilians who to wanted to protect, go to freedom!
No more fun! Weeks, months 1 meter per day and NATO goes 60 km in 2 days and on ??? What were the Russian victims worth free to free cities? Nothing!
That's ridiculous. NATO is encouraged from day to day more weapons to deliver stronger weapons. To strike in other places in the world! Anyone who shows weakness is eaten!
Credible militarily drones can be done buddies and not let such a crap be done here!
End of the party! Massive now finally bombs, with everything that works and show: Whoever thinks the Russian bear is annoying to torture and clean their citizens! On the spot!
Go to War with all !!!

Yes, that is the only point of concern in reality.
It will be hard to establish new authorities if Ukrs can take the area back and unleash hell on the residents.
Still, if that wouldn't be necessary from a military point of view - nobody would have done that, right?
A hundred dead civilians murdered by the ukro junta is a bitter price, but more manageable than a few thousand KIA and POW, and the dead civilians anyway after.
You are really missing the part of a story, that Russkie are de facto mobilizing.
And doing that fast and in numbers - the sole Putins decree increased the size of an army units by 30%, do you realize that?
Battalions trained in Gudermes are part of nazgvardia, out of the army ranks - those are thousands of fresh troops.
National battalions are outside of the army structure - those are tens of thousands.
This whole "offensive" shit is a fan song of ukronazi regime - they had the last chance to do anything, and the curators know that perfectly well either.
It is a Bulge battle.
Fields around Cherson are full of burned hardware.
Ukrs can't replace that, there is no more supply in a whole fuckin' world they can dig.
A whole NATO ended a program of junking Leopard 1 a few years ago, all has been melted. The same applies to the M48 or M60 they had.
Poland can transfer MAYBE some 200 T-72M1 more, but those will be in gravy condition.
That's it.
Good luck fighting T-90M and 80BVMs we see approaching in numbers.
UVZ is shipping echelons full of 90Ms, one each month I would say.
This is a production rate unseen till now, and it is not all they can do, oh no

Has Izyum actually fallen or is someone just drawing a silly map and the usual yellowbellies and doomists on Telegram spreading panic?

Apti Aluidinov is calling the advance more of a raid than an offensive.
And I think that about sums it up.
The Ukrs are not there to hold ground, but just to cause trouble. And have expended a huge amount of cannon fodder to do so.

I'm not happy about the civilians in Balakleya and whereever else but that's the only part of the Russian strategy that's flawed. They should have evacuated people and had measures in place for that. Even if they didn't want to go.

Relinquishing territory in exchange for inflicting attrition on them however is the way to go.

The Mongols did not conquer all the territory they did, especially in Eastern Europe - by standing and fighting for each settlement. They would advance and retreat very readily, and in battles would annihilate the enemy from stand-off range with their horse archers while staying out of the enemy's range. Their key advantage was mobility.
More than anything the Russian strategy reminds me of that

flamming_python wrote:Has Izyum actually fallen or is someone just drawing a silly map and the usual yellowbellies and doomists on Telegram spreading panic?

Ukrostavka is calling fighting started.
Plus that they took Balakleya and half of Kupyansk.
They are "fighting" in places where the Russkies are not there for a while, old fashion, just like Bucha/Irpen/Gostomel

The most fascinating part is, that our riders of a shitstorm obviously forgot that it is already the second "big offensive" in the Charkov area.
The last one was performed quite similarly, but in quiet as the Mariopol siege was ongoing.
But the Ukrs reached the Russian border in some places.
At least on Twitter
The whole area was reconquered by Russia in quiet either but in a wider range in about a month, when the Ukro propaganda was focused on another direction already

zorobabel wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Draw own conclusions

All part of the plan

Russia could stop this advance any moment. They have enough troops to defend territory. Instead they're being withdrawn

So draw your own conclusions

ALAMO wrote:The most fascinating part is, that our riders of a shitstorm obviously forgot that it is already the second "big offensive" in the Charkov area.
The last one was performed quite similarly, but in quiet as the Mariopol siege was ongoing.
But the Ukrs reached the Russian border in some places.
At least on Twitter
The whole area was reconquered by Russia in quiet either  but in a wider range in about a month, when the Ukro propaganda was focused on another direction already

They will have their orgies on Twitter and Telegram and their Western cheerleaders on social media will be saying 'we won!', 'we've shown they can be beaten back!', and all the rest of this claptrap

Only it makes no difference to Russia as it has no fks to give, it will just use the opportunity to take out more Ukrainian forces and then move back in

And I have no doubt that the Russians planned for everything. It went public, FFS, that Zaluzhny was convincing Zelensky about the expediency of an offensive towards Izyum just 3 weeks ago. And hey presto, they've launched an offensive against Izyum
Yet some personalities here and on Telegram are insisting that this is some sort of disaster, Russia didn't see anything coming, not enough men, taken by surprise, etc...
Absolute nonsense.

Biggest looser of the war is the su-34. Junk aircraft. Su-35 was successful when used but can't be used for close support. Su-25/ka-52/mi-28 used as MLRS system.

flamming_python wrote:
They will have their orgies on Twitter and Telegram and their Western cheerleaders on social media will be saying 'we won!', 'we've shown they can be beaten back!', and all the rest of this claptrap
Only it makes no difference to Russia as it has no fks to give, it will just use the opportunity to take out more Ukrainian forces and then move back in
And I have no doubt that the Russians planned for everything. It went public, FFS, that Zaluzhny was convincing Zelensky about the expediency of an offensive towards Izyum just 3 weeks. And hey presto, they've launched an offensive against Izyum
Yet some personalities here and on Telegram are insisting that this is some sort of disaster, Russia didn't see anything coming, not enough men, taken by surprise, etc...
Absolute nonsense.

What really brought my attention is the fact, that there are almost no Russian losses.
Ukro trolls have almost nothing to wank about, absolute lack of masturbation agenda.
I would say they have less fap material than usual when there was no "big, great&succesfull offensive" at all.
Folks from Balakleya are safely evacuated, turned out that they have a few 300, that's it.
They have shown FOUR POWs in two separate incidents I guess, and one that can be contested as hardly applies there - some Buryat in winter uniform.
Kupyansk seems still holding on the other river bank, and the withdrawal of troops from the western bank was due to bridge destruction that hindered supplies.
Izum is a question mark, Russkie are said to withdraw from it, but Ukrs didn't claim it as taken yet.
Looks like one big trap to me, with some small covering forces left behind to make it look more natural.
And the info that something is boiling there was aired by the Russian bloggers a week ago already, so I don't buy the "suprice attack" narrative either.
Russkie artillery and aviation are pulverizing forces that were hidden inside the city limits, in strongpoints and tranches.
It is much easier this way.
I would say, those Russkie bastards should pay some thanks to the architects of this show ...

Azi wrote:

Isos wrote:Biggest looser of the war is the su-34. Junk aircraft. Su-35 was successful when used but can't be used for close support. Su-25/ka-52/mi-28 used as MLRS system.

Was only used a few times. You can't say that! Russia used systems for a low attack like Su-25, the Su-34 is best for attacks out of manpad range.

But this also a mystery why Russia don't use the big birds....are really soo many S-300 and Buk still active???

S-300 and buk should be targets for su-34. At least they advertize it like this...

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1568597511916474368?t=ifxWFC8JHl9ahaH910jXvw&s=19

Another attack?

Azi wrote:
To be serious now....you really believe this shit of a great plan? Maybe if there is a great plan for a big Russian counteroffensive....Russia betrayed the civilians here! My estimation are more than 100000 civilians left in this area. Here are not some small villages and the retreat of Russian Forces was too hastily... civilians couldn't react that fast.

When Russia withdrew from Bucha it offered people it considered at risk the chance for evacuation. But many refused
For all we know the same offer was made here.

And yes if Russia withdrew forces instead of fighting for all these places then there is a reason for it

Russia has damaged it's own image of a liberator making the liberation of the regions more complicated. Do you really believe the people of Kharkov or Odessa will cheer if the Russians show up, knowing they will leave in the blink of a second if shit is going serious?

They won't cheer in any case; maybe Kharkov a little as most of the pro-Ukrs have left.

And yes if they're on Russia's side so then support the war effort and support the destruction of the enemy. Support a withdrawal if it means luring out more experienced Ukr forces to come get some. Don't assume everything revolves around you. And if you've given info to Russian forces so then either leave with them or take measures to hide your involvement. Provide info again remotely on enemy forces present in your vicinity, if you're prepared to take the risk

I would prefer that Russian airpower creams all these raiding Ukrainian bands; but clearly they're advancing in a way that makes that difficult. So let the Russian forces do their job and implement their own plan already, without any more crying.

And one serious question....are these people in the east of Ukraine in the liberated territories Ukrainians or Russians (ethnicity)? And if they are all Ukrainians...what the **** are the Russians doing there? If they are Russians....why they were not properly protected?

They're a mix; typically Russians in the cities and larger towns, and Ukrainians in the smaller towns, villages and farmsteads. Add to that some Greeks as well, the descendants of those resettled from the Crimea by Catherine the Great. But in practice everyone has intermarried hundreds of times over the last few centuries; it doesn't much matter. They are mostly pro-Russian if we're talking about the Donbass and eastern parts of Kharkov region. And the Ukrainian nationalists despise them. But a lot of them are in areas controlled by the Ukrainians already for 8 years now, and have survived to date.