IF the Russian plan was to draw the UA out from their protected defensive lines into the open in large enough numbers to impact on the key objective of Kharkov city, especially perhaps the die hard units, it needed to be a very realistic, large scale and achievable.
There is no IF about it... the Russians have repeatedly used their mobility and fire power advantage to move and fight... anywhere the Orcs have attacked that attack has either been crushed because it was pathetic, or they pulled back and let them come forward and then smash them with air power and artillery.
That is how you fight an enemy with superior numbers.
The Russian occupy positions but the Orcs are free to attack anywhere they please and when they attack they attack in small concentrations to ensure local superiority in numbers that are enormous.... the don't spread out along the entire line and march slowly forwards, they concentrate their forces they think are weak or vulnerable and concentrate all their attacking forces there.
Claiming the Russians are incompetent for not moving troops to the expected lines of attack ignores the fact that the Orcs are not stupid... if Russia moved massive forces in to meet this attack the Orcs would just start shelling those concentrations of forces and attack somewhere else.
You don't attack the enemy line in places where they are the strongest unless it is a diversion to distract them from the real attack somewhere else.
This wasn't a Russian plan it was a general Russian goal... the Orcs have been talking about their great counter attack that will get them to the Crimea... this was supposed to be it.
So, on the one hand it had to be militarily viable and on the other, if it could be timed to coincide with the 8th September Ramstein donors' meeting it would irresistible to the top US/UK/Ukr politicians' PR objectives. A slam dunk in other words.
And attack by them or an attack by Russia would have suited their needs just fine... they don't have to launch anything... they could just lie about it... would not be their first lie.
This would be all about the lessor of two evils. We know that the Russian military strategy is very mathematical. This could have been where the algorithms at the Moscow MoD showed the best return of dead UA versus dead Russian UA citizens/military over the next few weeks.
The Russians have been receiving counter attacks from the Orcs for some time now and they follow the same course... the orcs concentrate their forces and the Russians mow them down if they can, if they can't the kill as many as they can and retreat in order... as the orcs move forward they will come under artillery and air strike attacks till they run out of steam... they keep getting hammered and then when they start to retreat they keep getting hit... losing men moving forward and going back in huge numbers.
This was a major push with lots more men that usual but the recipe has not changed... moving extra forces up to the line so they can hold out against any Orc attack is just concentrating forces for enemy artillery to attack and enemy attacks to bypass.
Actually he is as pro russian as you. If he admits such thing it is true.
But unlike me is never wrong?
@ Garryb , if it was planned they wouldn't be stuffing the entire area with mobile groups from every direction -
You are standing your ground and I am in front of you and you know I am going to punch you... what are your plans?
The Russian forces held a line on a battlefield and the Orcs formed up forces to attack that line... they formed up very large forces of men to attack that line.
Since the start of this conflict the tactics have been not to mass lots of Russian meat in front of Orc meat and have some bloody blood bath... the Russian tactic has been to roll back with any attempted attack by the Orcs.... smaller weaker attacks are obliterated with their superior firepower and artillery and air power support, but in this case the orcs simply had too many men amassed in the attack so you fall back and you damage him as you go ripping in to his forces as they blunder forward with your weapons and also artillery and air power. Eventually they will reach a limit where their support and supply run out and then you can stop them and you continue to pound them and destroy them with your superior fire power and support... in this case you can move in larger support forces to help bolster the forces you are using in the fighting because tiny forces should never be expected to wipe out large forces.
Eventually the Orc forces are going to be exhausted and destroyed... attack is rather more costly than defence and 100 times more so when you don't control the air and your artillery is thin and scared shitless of being pinged.
"It's all a 5D chess cunning plan"
No need for 5D chess planning... the orcs massed their forces for local superiority in numbers and they are pushing them forward like a WWI conflict engagement on the western front... the difference is that the Russian forces are fully mobile and so were not overrun and defeated... they fell back and continued to hammer the enemy as it blindly marched forward into their artillery and air strikes... they will probably move in extra fire power to deal with this and a huge chunk of the Orcs army will be rotting in the fields.
That's the fucking job of russian soldiers!!! Protecting russian civilians...if they die they die it's their job! Are people in east Ukraine ethnic russians or maybe ethnic germans, ethnic chinese or whatever? They want to make these territories russian in a few weeks, so you can't betray these people!
They are not betraying anyone, all the men in these regions should be signing up to the Lugansk or Donbass forces and protecting their own... the old men and women and children should be moved out of this war zone till the job has been done.
The nazis have shown their nature and there is no question what they do so everyone should be moved as the Russian forces move in to any area.
Those that refuse... well then that is on their heads.
Some will always refuse to leave their homes... nothing you can do about that.
Complete BULLSHIT! If the Russian Army leave in a matter of hours while you sitting in bunker, how you can react fast enough? I have no information that russian side has evacuated the civilians, they are in death trap now! You point is very inhumane...I hope you know it!
Humane has nothing to do with it... these are the realities of war. the Russian soldiers are the tools that are defeating the nazis that are doing this sort of thing all over the country every day... they are not just doing this in recaptured areas, they are doing it in all occupied areas... when they find what they believe are sympathisers they kill them... can Russian soldiers save them?
They can save them all by defeating these bastards.
Bullshit again! The people voted for pro-russian parties, during the Maidan time they organized an uprising....people of Crimea voted many time for independence. What else should they do??? What else?
The first chance they get they move east to safer territory and wait out the war and send their young men to help the effort to eliminate these nazis.
Things are getting dire for the russians in that area, just goes to show lack of troops is a problem
If the Russians had more troops there they would have attacked somewhere else.
[quote]Nobody is shouting that. People can actually criticize Russian leadership while still being for Russia. Someone fucked up and that's obvious. It can be fixed, true, but it shouldn't suppose to happen in the first place. We are not at the beginning of operation anymore. [/quoet]
I will be shouting soon... you keep going on about this fuckup, but essentially what has happened is that Russian troops occupy certain areas and villages and Orcs occupy others and what has happened is that the Orcs massed up a very big force of men and some armour and they have attacked Russian held positions... gaining enormous superiority in numbers in very local areas... like anyone would do when they attack, and of course the Russians fired back and withdrew while continuing to kill Orcs with their weapons and of course air power and artillery.
Moving Russian forces to places they thought the Orcs might have attacked would simply make the Orcs change their plans and attack somewhere else... in war things happen for reasons so if you move forces around then enemy attacks change too making that moving around a little pointless until the attack has begun.
When you are holding a line you don't move reserves up to hold a line before an attack starts... where do you move it to?
And if you do the enemy will notice and attack somewhere else or might just shell your now concentrated position.
Sending VDV like that would be suicidal and completely stupid. Ukrainians still have a lot of anti-aircraft systems.amd Il-76 would be easy target.
Would have to agree with you there... armour heavy forces and concentrated artillery and air power would be better for this job of stopping the advances and just hammering the forces, their reserves and supply columns and then use mobile forces to rip them to pieces.
Little Garry going back to the trash bin to the old "not Russian" "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" talking points. Jesus!
Amusing you mention Jesus... wonder what Jesus would think about western support for these nazis and support for ISIS and your (western) other crimes...
The beauty of fvck ups is that new talking points from the top don't get disseminated as fast as the action develops.
Obviously fuckups happen, but this is an Orc engineered made up fuckup, they have thrown thousands of men into the meat grinder to beg for more weapons... to thrown more men into the meat grinder... Russia should be celebrating.
Russia has the second best and capable air force in the world and they use it only homeopathic, because they fear every loss.
I disagree... it has never been a Russian belief that everything can be solved by air power... that is a western thing and it largely stems from how they won both theatres of WWII with their strategic bombing of Germany and Japan...
And they fear the loss of every soldier, in contrast Ukraine doesn't care and conquered in 7 days more territory than Russia in 3 months.
It is not about gaining territory, it is about eliminating the enemy army and in the last 7 days the Ukrainian army probably lost more men than it lost in the first two months of the conflict... and to do that they are draining men from all the other areas they occupy... do the maths yourself... who is being smart here...
That's the problem...if you flip every coin thousand times before spending and your are not willing to send conscripts or make a partial mobilisation...that are the results!!!
It has nothing to do with spending, and they are not running out of ordinance as fast as Kiev will be running out of men.
A lot of people misconstrue what the criticism of the SMO actually is-
Seems to me to be panic at hearing bad news from very unreliable sources who want you to panic and change tactics because the current tactics are WORKING.
No way this is planned by the Russians.
How could they plan an Orc attack?
This is simply well played by the West, doing a good job at rapidly moving around forces (disregarding obviously the huge losses on Ukranian side).
Not at all... the best plan the west could implement is for Kievs forces to dig in and stay dug in and hold out for as long as they can mingled in with civilians.
This has gotten thousands of Kievs soldiers to march out towards the Russian forces and get killed... the pushed the Russians back by sending more soldiers than the Russians could deal with at once... that is not a good plan... that is a stupid disasterous plan that is going to get Ukrainian men exterminated... maybe that is the plan, but it is not clever.
The Russians knew such an attack was comming but failed to identify exactly where, and failed to react fast enough or IMHO.
But they did react fast enough.... as far as we know no Russian forces were encircled and wiped out... they moved back while inflicting horrendous losses on the enemy... as capture and occupation of territory is not their goal, their goal is to eliminate enemy soldiers raising weapons to fire at them, then this was a resounding success for the Russians.
If the Ukrops start another assault like this on another weak spot in the defences, then the whole SMO will be in a hard spot.
The thing is that I rather doubt the Orcs have enough men to do this again... and if they did the rest of their defences will collapse because the few that are left will know they are next and they wont want to follow the soldiers currently getting slaughtered in the fields.
It was posted already. Here's my take. Imagine Russia did mobilize and run over the country to Kiev. Destroyed the govt and civilian infrastructure. It would be like Iraq 2003. Yes Russia could swing it's dick and show how powerful they are. But the Ukraine military would still be out there. Not destroyed. There would be an insurgency. There'd be civil chaos. It would really a like Iraq post 2003.
A direct result of that was ISIS.
But perhaps there is a middle ground. Maybe Russia could have semi mobilized. And sped up some of these regional battles.
But why would they... Ukrainian counter attacks are achieving Russian goals just fine.
Same goes for foreign mercenaries. They're a finite resource and their enthusiasm for this war has long since passed its peak. It didn't help that they in many cases were sent as cannon fodder with an AK, one magazine of ammo - straight to Kiev to soak up Russian firepower back when the city was under threat.
More importantly those foreign mercenaries range from geeks in some paint ball team, to actual professional western trained soldiers that have been to real conflicts the west loves to start who know what real war actually is, but have not been on the receiving end of artillery and air power in an armed force that cannot return in kind and just has to hunker down and take it.
Against third world countries whose only response is IEDs and VIEDs then being a soldier is easy, but when the enemy is equipped with first world stuff and your side is not you are not any better equipped to withstand enemy artillery as an untrained fool beside you... this is not a video game where you can go off and do your own thing, you follow orders and of course they are going to use foreigners first as cannon fodder.
The buildup of Ukranian forces here was noted on social media 1-2 weeks ago.
If the Russia missed that, it's a next-level embarrasment.
Why move more forces into the area... they would just attack somewhere else.... and where were they going to attack before they attack... did you know?
I guess the command thought they where bluffing and expected "the big push" to come in a different area?
It doesn't matter where the big push came from... the plan has not changed.... if the enemy attack hit them with artillery and air power and shoot them as they move forward while Russian forces withdraw... keep hammering them until they can't move forward any more and are exhausted and keep hitting them till they withdraw... including hitting any support units or supply units you find.
That's what happens when you leave transport infrastructure intact. They can take whole brigades from Nikolaev to Kharkhov in one night.
If they can't move forces forward to attack how can Russian forces mow them down?
Even if i do agree about some of your points, presenting this as some sort of a trap set up by Russians, i don't buy
It is not a trap as such, it has been the plan all along...
It is how they take advantage of their superior artillery and air support.
I would be surprised if the Ukes could concentrate this kind of force without the Russians knowing, if they did kudos to them and a razzy to the Russian commanders and satellite intel. So its either a trap or **** up. If its a fuckup, its then being compounded by slow response of air power to take out logistics. How Ukraine is still getting this much diesel to power their machines is a big fail, said that for while. If Russia cannot stop the flow of diesel they will pay for it with a flow of blood.
Why would the Russians do anything to stop this blood bath... Orcs were killed in enormous numbers... they gained a little territory... but for how long and at what cost?
They wont be able to do this every week but I hope they try because every time they do this they get closer to collapse.
Defeating Russian artillery by sending in more troops than they could deal with sounds like the sort of planning that loses wars.
Biggest grouping of Ukrainian military was always around Kharkhov. And they could always bring several brigades via rail network.
And if they tried to send brigades like that, would that not be the best time to hit those bridges and trains?
First mine kill of the war , depending on if Moskva was done in by mines like they say
Kiev wants to claim credit for its sinking so they claim they hit it with missiles... once you make that claim of course you can't then say it was a mine...
They couldn't spot ukrinians getting 10k troops at a same place.
What makes you think they weren't spotted... maybe they wanted them marching forward into registered artillery kill zones before shredding them.
Su-24R would help but aren't used. Satelittes should have detected this but it seems ukrainians hided their forces very well.
As mentioned they have been talking about a big push for some time, and all the fuel dumps and ammo dumps and HQs that get hit all the time suggests their intel is not that bad...
Lack of armed drones is still critical for russians.
Armed drones are as useless as tits on a bull when faced with 10K enemy troops marching forward.
What sort of hand grenade payload or Kornet missile payload on armed drones can deal with a force of 10 thousand men marching forward on a battlefield... even a thousand drones would be useless because the thousands of men operating them wont be shooting at the bad guys.
All i said, from the beginning, is that someone in command of the Balakleya theater fucked up. Trying to present this as some sort of a pre-planned trap is emotional, imo.
Russian forces have a clear track history throughout this conflict of using mobility and fire power to deal with superior numbers of the enemy... in this case the enemy massed more troops that usual and attacked and took enormous casualties but through sheer weight of numbers managed to gain some territory, and some here wet their pants and cry for Putin and the Russian military to all be fired for incompetence.
Ignoring the fact that this is what Russia has been doing all along.... a small counter attack is dealt with by the forces themselves defeating them with fire power. Larger counter attacks the Russians might need to withdraw but they are not throwing down their weapons and running away in a rout... they are withdrawing in order inflicting damage on the enemy and as the enemy move in to the positions the Russians held the Russian artillery can then shell the crap out of them because they know where they will be hiding.... the enemy often then retreats and the Russian forces move back to occupy their previous positions and probably clean up the mess.
In this case they massed more meat that usual so it probably took more artillery than normal to deal with but to mass that extra meat they are draining areas they occupy and speeding up their defeat... this is not bad for Russian forces... this is fantastic that they are this stupid to accelerate their own demise like this.
But if you criticize you're on the shitlist
Criticising the Russians for butchering Orc soldiers in large numbers does put you on a shit list because you are essentially rooting for Kievs forces.
What was more like a standstill for weeks, the enemy has achieved brave operation over two days. Initiative almost without air cover. Of course these are NATO commands. Of course, this operation is a NATO operation.
If this is how HATO plans to fight this is excellent... really outstanding... trading lots of men for a piece of land they are not likely to even hold on to... fantastic.
So Pro-Russians being raped, tortured, and executed are being ignored?
Russian sources already reported it, now westerners are gloating.
A woman with a British, American and Kiev flag next to her name is gloating at civilians potentially being murdered because she could care less about the 10K young Ukrainian men who just got butchered and turned into red mist... best described as a coping strategy.
What an empty souled heartless bitch.
What mental gymnastics do you need to practice to think that another Bucha x10 is ok?
Nazis committing more war crimes... what else do you expect from them... but it is Russias fault...
No settlements should be allowed to be taken by Ukrainians without evacuation.
Most of these people refuse to leave their homes.
There's an emergency meeting, we will see what exactly he likes.
Perhaps he wanted to be updated as to what is happening...
Oh she did, she wiped out 300 billion dollars worth of assets
, debit bad debt expense, credit allowance for bad debt
Lmao
I don't make the rules man, I just tell it like it is
First of all it is nothing like 300 billion and if the west does steal that money then Russia can do the same with western assets in Russia so no money lost at all.
Nonetheless it's kinda sad. job of Russian soldiers are to protect the Russian people which should include the settlement they take.
A lot of these civilians might not want to be Russians, this is the Ukraine.
Russian command didn't expect this because it is inherently insane and irrational. This is an isis style suicide run. It is all done for propaganda purposes. And it sure doesn't help when Russia supporters feed the narrative
If you ignore the chicken littles this is fantastic news... a huge number of Orcs just met their maker and a horrendous rate and the orcs think it is a victory.... hopefully they will keep doing this and it will be over much faster.
at least you can admit it
And still other things need to be corrected
But alas we are just peasants
Again, noone said hohols will win - who gives a shit about narrative?
Just get the results then noone will worry about narrative
Russian command could not have anticipated the Orcs would be this stupid but they will be celebrating that they quite clearly are... the Russian forces probably just butchered thousands of Orcs as easy as you please... all they had to do was withdraw a little to do so... all those ambulances... 90% of Orc activity on the front line was probably carrying wounded back to evac locations, or being wounded themselves...
I'd bomb the cities like Syria, evacuate civilians and do this
Hilarious... how do you evacuate civilians from cities you do not occupy... and if you bomb cities without a civilian evacuation then why all the crying about Nazi war crimes against some civilians when you want to bomb all them yourself.
How many russian vehicles have the ukrainians captured in this offensive?
I would say we would see plenty of photos of captured or destroyed Russian vehicles... the Russians likely withdrew... which as has been mentioned is what they are supposed to do while the artillery and air power do their work.
Guys I would also check india defense net forum time to time, they bring up some interesting things like russia just launched a missile at a hospital, which means I guess that they are pissed.
It means Kiev has liars in India too... firing missiles at hospitals is a waste of a missile, there are plenty of real targets to hit instead.
It would be nice to take the city, but it is too expensive in terms of lost men and civilians. I do not think that Russia intends to storm any major city
where the regime is entrenched. This includes Odessa. Let's see where these 9,000 Kiev regime troops end up in the coming days.
Encircling cities would cut them off from Kiev so they can't use the men as conscripts and cannon fodder... might even get a few cities to surrender and get some volunteers to deal with the Kiev regime too, but at the worst it reduces the pool of bodies they can weaponise and throw at Russian bullets and shells.
What we call Russia today was created by the Russian Church and the Russian Empire, which the Reds could not destroy.
As most of you know I am an athiest, but to be honest I think Russia is the most ethical and moral country on the planet right now and I would rate the west as more soulless and evil than the athiest Commies.
its just sounded like a **** up(thats what humiliation is) when Russia sent more re-enforcements and Putin having a random meeting.
The Orcs mounted an attack that cost them an enormous number of men and doesn't seem to have hurt Russian forces to any great extent.
Kiev is going to struggle to replace those losses, while the territory they captured they probably are in no position to hold and will likely lose it and lose even more soldiers in their retreat... assuming any make it out of there... hopefully they will pump more soldiers in to maximise the death toll.
This is fantastic.
Being pissed that Ukrianians even had a chance for this nonsense and them targeting civilians is not doomerism. Russia will still win the war, but this shouldn’t happen. I hope they will be cut off from retreat and Vostok will show its results
They have been targeting pro Russian civilians for the last 8 years... is that Putins fault too... are Russian soldiers to blame?
“The time of reckoning has come,” the SBI concluded.
Amusing because their time of reckoning is coming too.
I don't think random poster on telegram or Russia defense forum are "enabling" NATO propaganda
I think the leadership has done fine on its own
When you repeat Orc propaganda then you are helping HATO.
The leadership are just fine... the plan is continuing as normal and the results are just dandy... traded a salient bulge for the enemy to pour troops in to at high cost to them of course... and now it is play time.
It is the game they have been playing for months and it is working well... it seems this bulge contains some of their newly trained super soldiers... but what training teaches you to survive artillery barrages?
It is 100% on leadership
Don't take shit from these "everything is going according to plan" guzzlers
People will die because of their incompetence
Yes, people are dying, because Nazis are murdering them and that is why Russian forces are there in the first place.
Russia is withdrawing from cities with tens of thousands of people, allowing Ukrops to carry out reprisals against those who cooperated, as some sort of plan? Lol
It is OK, they will be fine because America would not allow any war crimes to be committed... they have ethics and morals that will prevent them from arming such people who kill their own civilians... except for Israel of course, and ISIS, and most of the other nutters they support.
I think you'd have to have the IQ of an ape to think this is part of a plan, but if that's what you believe, you do you.
They didn't invade the country with enough troops to hold territory, during this whole campain they have used mobility and fire power to destroy their enemy... this desperate attack by the orcs is just another attack by them... larger in scale, but nothing new, and the Russians continue to use the same tactics... light forces holding the line with mobile reserves sent to any point of serious resistance or attack while the forces present fall back in a fighting retreat.
That is the plan and that is what they are following.
Call me an ape again and you are banned from this forum.
And if it was part of a plan, does that mean no Ukrainian should ever cooperate with the allies because at any moment they could be abandoned and left to torture and executing by Ukrops as part of a scheme?
Russia cannot control what the Orcs do, all they can do is kill them and that is what they are doing. The orcs can attack where they please when they please and all Russia can do is kill them when they do so.
You are comparing ISIS to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the latter of which is receiving billions in funding per month from NATO powers, along with advanced NATO and especially US precision weaponry, and is receiving live coordination via video-link by NATO commanders, plus of course clandestine assets on the ground.
ISIS was never stupid enough to think their best way to defeat Russian fire power superiority in artillery and air power was to mount human wave attacks to make them run low on ammo.
It takes special HATO planning to be that smart... it seems HATO wants the Orcs dead as much as the Russians do... so that is good news.
Wait but wasn't SMO... to liberate pro russian people oppressed by Ukrainians?
It was to eliminate a nazi, bio, and potentially future nuclear threat to Russia... if they have to kill lots of Ukrainians then that is what they will do.
I am really surprised the Russians do not have a quick reaction force of about 20 US-34's or SU-24 that are ready to be loaded up and deliver 30-50t of bombs in rotating 5 ship formations to stabilize just this sort of thing. I would also be pretty surprised of an intelligence failure of this magnitude...if it were that.
Yeah, the thing is that even bomb attacks have to be coordinated and worked out otherwise you end up bombing friendlies or civilians or nothing at all.
SBU is working overtime catching wrongthinkers. But you have to agree it’s sensitive topic and it can bite in the ass if those executions will be proven true and nothing was done to prevent them. I see more people worried about that than territory. I am myself not bothered about Russia regaining lands at all. Just worried it will be devoid of life.
Perhaps the civilians need to rise up against the SBU... if you have been helping the Russians or just working with them... pick up a rifle and defend yourself.... become a partisan... what is the alternative future for you if you are too stubborn to leave?
Moderation at times makes no sense I think I remember PD got a temporary ban being displeased at the start of the war for like a week or two(or he stopped posting to cool off)
No he didn't. He got a break for claiming Russian troops were bloody idiots (or words to that effect) for following orders to invade the Ukraine because at the time he did not approve of the conflict.
I was displeased for a month and even now as to how much progress has been made. Are we like 15 % out of 100% from killing all hohols have we killed 33% out of 100% hohols and still being stuck with 1/3rd territory when will we push to 1/2 territory and ukrainians getting supplied more and more with weapons will make people like me here ask what amount of progress is made?
Throwing their recently newly western trained super soldiers into the meat grinder like they are currently doing is accelerating the process... if they do this a couple more times the areas outside their little counter attacks are going to be so thinly protected that Russia will be able to do to them what they are trying to do to Russia except the Orcs don't have the mobile reserves the Russians have and they also don't have the concentration of artillery and air power at their disposal either...
I will give this thread another chance but if some shit like this happens again and Russias is still stuck where its at, i will disappear from this thread for a month to stop myself from further getting pissed off.
Promise?
Can some Generals in Ukraine army post on this and other forums ?
Ukrainian Generals spent the last 8 years shelling Ukrainian citizens and justified it by saying it is OK because they are actually Russian civilians... which is a war crime by the way.
Except when the west does it with their strategic bombing and then they say it isn't a war crime because it is total war.
According to some forum members everything is according to some mysterious plan.
There is nothing mysterious about how the Russians have been fighting... nothing has changed... the Russians are fighting smart and the Orcs are fighting stupid and getting hammered... nothing has changed except the Orcs got together rather more cannon fodder than they normally put together and it seems they are running out of men.
Okay to be true I sound a bit like a defeatist Very Happy
A bit?
You distort the facts the way a US State Department speech writer would...
Zelensky will give you your medal now you nazi. Shame really... normally liked what you posted. Hope that big cheque you got for this will pay for heating this winter...
And about experienced soldiers...and training...after 6 months you can make out of degenerated retards good soldiers.
You mean like the 250K soldiers they had at the start of this conflict and the 2,000 odd tanks they had and all the other stuff they had that is gone now.
If they keep feeding their amazing HATO super soldiers into battle like this then that is fantastic...
Sorry for being hard and unpolite!!! But the situation now is a real problem!
Only for traitors like yourself.
Ukraine gains more than you think! They will gain new material from western Nazi world...maybe some modern MBTs (Abrams or Leopard 2), for sure they will get Iris-T SLM and NASAMS, more APCs and of course money and ammunition. And they gained territory.
I hope they do give them Abrams and Leopards, that crap is over rated and it will justify Russia selling Su-35s to Iran and North Korea...
And cutting gas and oil and coal to the EU.
It's called criticism and it's legit! Without criticism you can't evolve...you will stuck in your old place and make the same mistakes again and again till you disappear from world stage.
So doing just as nothing happened would be better?
No it isn't. You are supporting nazis and criticising those eradicating them because you are a pussy and think a force moving forward must be winning.
There are reports that Russia is withdrawing from Liman. Ukraine has set up successfully a pontoon bridge and is flooding the area.
Voices in your head?
Hitler or Georbells?
Wheres big gazza podlodka and kvs to say losing izyum is a nothingburger?
The Orcs are rushing their enemy and getting slaughtered in the process... did it not make you wonder that maybe reports of further retreats might be to encourage Kiev to push more troops into the fire?
Where are the field hospitals that NATO could have been supplying from their stocks to maximise life and limb saving in the Golden Hour?
Sorry not enough profit in their replacement. Or even, medics were not a priority when NATO upgraded the Ukie army so there is no point.
Instead the encourage mindless attacks like they did with Snake Island... almost like they hate the Ukrainians as much as they hate Russians and want as many dead as possible.
The only relevant part of the Russkie withdrawal is the fact, that they have left behind some loyal population and people who cooperated with the new authorities.
You mean like the US and HATO left behind Afghans that helped them in Kabul to the whims of the Taliban and ISIS... you need to keep in mind that a lot of the population in these areas will cooperate with what ever military force is in charge and so when the Orcs arrive the Ukrainian flags and Ukrainian passports will come out and they will be singing the national anthem of the Ukraine... just like in the Outlaw Josey Wales movie where that barge owner was pretending to be on one side and then the opposition arrived and all of a sudden he was singing dixie...
The Russians have fought this operation with a very small number of troops on the ground... This week that caught up with them.
But has it?
If Russia sends in more men and starts defending towns to protect civilians you just know the Orcs are going to shell those towns because they know it will upset the Russians. The west wont give a shit...
If there are thousands of dead Orcs and thousands more trapped then I would say the plan is working just fine... continue with the harvest...
careful don't criticize the narrative that there is enough troops
The job is killing your nazis proxy forces and that is happening so everything going to plan.
if Izyum is lost that is a huge huge loss.
I am sure the usually spin doctors will try to downplay it.
The russians fucked up here and massively.
Holding towns is bullshit, killing orcs is what it is all about and they seem to be doing rather better than normal...
Oh wow on the defense now, you are one of the ones that claim the number of troops was enough and now when its beyond clear it isn't you try this?
This level of troop numbers and their deployment has been fine up until now, but now the Nazis are trying to beat the Russians by getting them to use all their ammo up.
Well that requires a change in tactics and force structure, but that is fine... just a new phase of this conflict that will accelerate the process of destroying Nazis in bulk.
Declaring war is just a formality. How much more would nato escalate? They already escalated to the maximum
The nazis have been killing their own people for a decade now... if you want Russia to declare war on Ukraine over Ukrainian citizens who are pro Russia then perhaps a declaration of war against the Baltic states over their treatment of their Russian citizens is in order too?
This is simple I believe, if Russia increases the number of soldiers in Ukraine, they will destroy the Ukronazis.
It is funny, those demanding Russia sends in more men and calls it a proper war ignore that such an escalation will end up killing rather more civilians than even the nazis can manage... you know... like the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria and everywhere else they have bombed.
I'm not happy about the civilians in Balakleya and whereever else but that's the only part of the Russian strategy that's flawed. They should have evacuated people and had measures in place for that. Even if they didn't want to go.
They know the people they are fighting, if the civilians didn't leave then it is on them.
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