Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

flamming_python wrote:This thread has been overrun

And by coincidence the conversation has veered towards getting rid of Putin, Washingtons/Londons ultimate goal

Withdraw and nuke from orbit

calripson wrote:

flamming_python wrote:This thread has been overrun

And by coincidence the conversation has veered towards getting rid of Putin, Washingtons/Londons ultimate goal

Withdraw and nuke from orbit

Both the British and Ukrainians have mentioned the possibility of limited nuclear war. Putin using a tactical nuke is the ultimate kill shot for Western planners. The result - complete economic isolation of Russia including from China and the ultimate removal of Putin from power. The cost for readmittance to the "family of nation" - complete demilitarization and the removal of Russian nuclear potential.

ALAMO wrote:The second stupid thing you can do guys is to fight each other while all see the same goal, only a different approach.

Because the first one is to bet on Ukrs in this show

flamming_python wrote:This thread has been overrun

And by coincidence the conversation has veered towards getting rid of Putin, Washingtons/Londons ultimate goal

Withdraw and nuke from orbit

par far wrote:

flamming_python wrote:This thread has been overrun

And by coincidence the conversation has veered towards getting rid of Putin, Washingtons/Londons ultimate goal

Withdraw and nuke from orbit

Hopefully that does not happen, we need to active to not let that happen here.

Arkanghelsk wrote:So now the second post.

To restate. This is a major defeat. All territory gained by Russia in the Kharkov Oblast save the most northern parts, looks like it will be completely abandoned. This will severely shake Russia's credibility in Ukraine, in Russia itself and in the world. The Russian authorities promised that 'Russia is here forever' and it quickly abandoned Kharkov - which is a city founded by Russian Tsars and not in the Russian imagination a foreign city.

The Ukrainians - by all accounts punched forward with a powerful fist - their most powerful yet and barely grazed the Russians. From 6 to 10 September they attacked and whenever they met resistance from a Russian unit of appreciable size they were always halted or thrown back. From 6 to 10 September 2022 the Rosgvardia and then the VDV fought while being heavily outnumbered in  Balakleya for 4 fays and prevented the Ukrainians from capturing a town they had clearly reckoned to capture on day 1 or day 2 of their offensive, judging by UKR telegram posts and a number of false claims they had captured it and/or overrun the garrison. Russian forces throughout all of this demonstrated high morale and never retreated until ordered to. This makes the complete abandonment of the position utterly baffling and questionable from both a military and, in this author's opinion, political standpoint. Military the Russians tied significant Ukrainian forces to Kharkov city and to near Izyum and Slavyansk that were not directly in front of Donetsk. Now the Ukrainians can concentrate their forces.

This leads to the conclusion. More Russian troops are not on their way, the Russians were taken by surprise at the force of the blow - and Putin is not releasing more troops to the operation.

The contrast between a masterful defense in Kherson and - at the operational level, tactically Russian forces performed at worst acceptably if not better - the abysmal defense of Kharkov Oblast will have consequences. Now is that the time to doom though - and not to be optimistic. Now is the time to be angry. If you are Russian, demand that more be done. If you are Ukrainian and live in areas where the Russians are, demand that they protect you and be serious. If you are not Russian, urge these things - for the Ukrainians have made no secret of what they will do to those they see as 'collaborators' which is to say anyone who so much as accepted Russian humanitarian aid packages. It is encouraging that Russia has begun more seriously evacuating civilians to keep them out of harm's way but they should never have been put there in the first place.

The responsibility for this goes to the very top - to the political decision makers. They have choices they need to make if they want to win - and we should do whatever we can to urge them to do it.

- Rybar , Donbass Devushka, zastavny, Voenkor Kotenok

The time has come enough is enough

Putin, shoigu, someone has to step down

ATLASCUB wrote:

par far wrote:

flamming_python wrote:This thread has been overrun

And by coincidence the conversation has veered towards getting rid of Putin, Washingtons/Londons ultimate goal

Withdraw and nuke from orbit

Hopefully that does not happen, we need to active to not let that happen here.

Internet warriors?



This is what living an alternate realities and consuming propaganda (official and unofficial from your favorite grifter analysts does to a brain).

par far wrote:
The Ukies took control of territory that was thinly defended and that has little overall affect on the whole picture.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russia has turned out to be a paper tiger beyond anyone's imagination to a degree that would be considered impossible just a year ago.

PhSt wrote:

par far wrote:
The Ukies took control of territory that was thinly defended and that has little overall affect on the whole picture.

But why is the area thinly defended in the first place? Or is this just an excuse? Why haven't Russia detected the massive build up of NATzo forces that will be thrown into the Kharkov direction? Why didn't Russian suppression fire eliminate the NATzO advance? Again,  this kind of performance is not whats expected from the world's 2nd/3rd most powerful military force

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russia has turned out to be a paper tiger beyond anyone's imagination to a degree that would be considered impossible just a year ago.

Backman wrote:
Btw this guy has a literal Nazi name

caveat emptor wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russia has turned out to be a paper tiger beyond anyone's imagination to a degree that would be considered impossible just a year ago.

Then you don't remember Chechen wars. That was a real **** show. 
My question still remains. How do you fold whole theater with 9000 soldiers in 3-4 days? I just hope that Russian soldiers left territory south of Izyum.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:The losses of territory are not to be discussed. How long was used to take these areas? What did it cost about blood?
They started on September 7th with the offensive and on day 3 more and more areas are falling to the enemy faster and faster. The civilians were sold for the second time. A third time they will be careful not to approach Russia.

If there were so few troops, yes where are they all at once? On the first day there was still resistance, on the second day they were on retreat and now they are withdrawn almost to Russia. This is more like the withdrawal from Kyiv in northern East and north west.

What should the Russian troops actually think of it? What's going on here? Where is the Air Force? Ukraine has practically zero air cover.

The morals of the fascists and NATO climbs and climbs. Where is the stop? Where is it against counterattack? Where is an offensive that brings the enemy in danger here?

Battle for Kursk. Counterattack in the north and south. Only that made the Nazis stop. But here is only withdrawal to withdrawal and this is faster and faster.

What happens tomorrow? Where do the Nazis stop? Overstretched? The backs are faster and faster. What is going on here?