Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

Azi wrote:but Izyum will be a hard nut again, like Bakhmut now.

Azi wrote:

sepheronx wrote:
Kharkov was taken and lost, twice.

There is a point to that you know.

Like I said, if you think you know better, get packing. Oh wait, you are a pussy and will not fight, but sit and complain.

Kharkov was not taken twice...BULLSHIT! Russia retreated from northern parts of the city to be out of artillery range...the magic 20 km of Grad systems. The retreat was a bit more of 30 km and later they pushed 10 km forward. They never retreated from areas like Balaklija or Izyum! Especially Izyum is a huge loss, the fight for Izyum was very hard. The towns and villages at russian border are no problem, but Izyum will be a hard nut again, like Bakhmut now.

lyle6 wrote:Lost territories can always be recaptured. Dead soldiers don't have respawn tickets.

And Russia's inflicting at least 10:1 exchanges. Do the math.

sepheronx wrote:What if those methods are having to pull back to fight another day?

lyle6 wrote:Lost territories can always be recaptured. Dead soldiers don't have respawn tickets.

And Russia's inflicting at least 10:1 exchanges. Do the math.

sepheronx wrote:
But if you guys are angry, I suggest heading to Russia and make demands while offering your services for combat.

sepheronx wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:I see this forum has turned into a shitstorm with armchair generals and couch commandos have decided what needs to be done.

I suppose Garry can lock this thread now since Ukraine apparently won the war.  I guess it's over now.

Well where's your proof that this will turn around and anybody should be optimistic now? Putin and Co. have not done what is necessary in this entire war, why would they change now all of a sudden after so many losses?

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the fact Lugansk was entirely liberated and most of Kherson is still under Russian control when back in February Russia didn't hold a single spot of it with Kherson gonna hold its own elections eventually.

But you know better than Russian MoD so I guess you made your mind already anyway.

GarryB, I'll ask again, can this thread be locked?

PhSt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:What if those methods are having to pull back to fight another day?

But like what others have argued, the NATzO regime will have fortified these areas by then, and retaking them will cost Russia another round of resources and manpower.

On top of that, it provides NATzO with extra propaganda points

ALAMO wrote:

calripson wrote:The level of incompetence and myopia needed to reach this point is mind boggling. This trap was decades in the making and engineered quite cleverly and was as obvious as could be. Then again, you are talking about a leader who gives eulogies to Gorbachev who started this whole disintegration process, offers condolences to the Queen of the country leading the proxy war, and who refuses to call a war a war. The only thing the matches his incompetence is his callousness and cynicism to ask men to sacrifice their lives for such ill-conceived endeavor.

Crimea river

flamming_python wrote:Arkhangelsk, limb, billybalts91, Azi, caveat emptor, Regular, PhSt, thegopnik, zorobabel...

Remarkable. I think by day 3, over half the regular posters of the Ukraine thread are infected, and busy spitting out Ukrainian war propaganda, in an attempt to infect others
A couple others here are experiencing early symptoms. Yet others have gone quiet, probably thrashing around in a fever as the infection consumes them

The Ukros have come up with a remarkable psychological pathogen, the effect of which is considerably greater than anything happening on the ground.

I prescribe rest and voluntary quarantine for the next 48h.

If YOU notice symptoms, report in at this thread immediately.

flamming_python wrote:

Isos wrote:Biggest looser of the war is the su-34. Junk aircraft. Su-35 was successful when used but can't be used for close support. Su-25/ka-52/mi-28 used as MLRS system.

Care to tell me why its junk?

Do you have statistics on the amount of sorties it has performed, successful strikes vs failed ones, etc...?

flamming_python wrote:Arkhangelsk, limb, billybalts91, Azi, caveat emptor, Regular, PhSt, thegopnik, zorobabel...

Remarkable. I think by day 3, over half the regular posters of the Ukraine thread are infected, and busy spitting out Ukrainian war propaganda, in an attempt to infect others
A couple others here are experiencing early symptoms. Yet others have gone quiet, probably thrashing around in a fever as the infection consumes them

The Ukros have come up with a remarkable psychological pathogen, the effect of which is considerably greater than anything happening on the ground.

I prescribe rest and voluntary quarantine for the next 48h.

If YOU notice symptoms, report in at this thread immediately.

calripson wrote:The level of incompetence and myopia needed to reach this point is mind boggling. This trap was decades in the making and engineered quite cleverly and was as obvious as could be. Then again, you are talking about a leader who gives eulogies to Gorbachev who started this whole disintegration process, offers condolences to the Queen of the country leading the proxy war, and who refuses to call a war a war. The only thing the matches his incompetence is his callousness and cynicism to ask men to sacrifice their lives for such ill-conceived endeavor.

billybatts91 wrote:

calripson wrote:The level of incompetence and myopia needed to reach this point is mind boggling. This trap was decades in the making and engineered quite cleverly and was as obvious as could be. Then again, you are talking about a leader who gives eulogies to Gorbachev who started this whole disintegration process, offers condolences to the Queen of the country leading the proxy war, and who refuses to call a war a war. The only thing the matches his incompetence is his callousness and cynicism to ask men to sacrifice their lives for such ill-conceived endeavor.

I'm sure Putin is sad about all this, while he wipes his tears with stolen money, resting in his lavish mansion dressed in his bathrobe.

Azi wrote:

Kharkov will be complete abandoned! In a few days ukrainian troops will reach the border of Russia. Ukraine has reached Veliki Burluk. The map is from the well known pro ukrainian fascist propagandist Rybar.