Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

sepheronx wrote:

Azi wrote:

Kharkov will be complete abandoned! In a few days ukrainian troops will reach the border of Russia. Ukraine has reached Veliki Burluk. The map is from the well known pro ukrainian fascist propagandist Rybar.

You said Kharkov was already lost. Changing goalposts already?

BTW, in July the Ukrainians were at russias borders in Kharkov.

I never said this! I said that most likely Kharkov will be abandoned and it seems I was right. If there is no pushback from Russian Forces after 1 or 2 days, it's clear they give up the whole area and retreat behind strategic better positons, like rivers.

You can read maps? Can you? The west side of Siwerski Donez was under pressure a few months before, but now Russian Forces retreat to the east side of the Oskil River, giving up nearly 70 % of the Kharkov oblast they occupied.

Podlodka77 wrote:I would like a reasonable number of forum members to support the Sepheronx idea and temporarily lock this section.
Garry, this is a mess and a couple of idiots have completely polluted the site...
You are the one who decides but this has become a complete mess. It's stupid that a couple of complete idiots spill the same thing on the forum..

Locking the thread would be the worse thing ever

Look you guys cannot hide this under the rug anymore

The MOD channel is being swarmed with dislikes

All the Z channels have implemented no comment rules

Russians are getting ready to get out in the streets

I am ready, Putin must do something or step down

Azi wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Azi wrote:

Kharkov will be complete abandoned! In a few days ukrainian troops will reach the border of Russia. Ukraine has reached Veliki Burluk. The map is from the well known pro ukrainian fascist propagandist Rybar.

You said Kharkov was already lost. Changing goalposts already?

BTW, in July the Ukrainians were at russias borders in Kharkov.

I never said this! I said that most likely Kharkov will be abandoned and it seems I was right. If there is no pushback from Russian Forces after 1 or 2 days, it's clear they give up the whole area and retreat behind strategic better positons, like rivers.

You can read maps? Can you? The west side of Siwerski Donez was under pressure a few months before, but now Russian Forces retreat to the east side of the Oskil River, giving up nearly 70 % of the Kharkov oblast they occupied.

And can't you read what I, Alamo and others said or you ignoring that too?

I don't even know why I'm bothering as you are clearly ignoring what is being said.

Here, I'll entertain you: Russia lost the war, it will give up. Donetsk, Lugansk and Kherson which Russia defended so far in this recent attacks, is ALL LOST.

I'll say at least your assumptions isn't as bad as ISOS. That guy makes up events and states what isn't and is used regardless of video evidence.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:I would like a reasonable number of forum members to support the Sepheronx idea and temporarily lock this section.
Garry, this is a mess and a couple of idiots have completely polluted the site...
You are the one who decides but this has become a complete mess. It's stupid that a couple of complete idiots spill the same thing on the forum..

Locking the thread would be the worse thing ever

Look you guys cannot hide this under the rug anymore

The MOD channel is being swarmed with dislikes

All the Z channels have implemented no comment rules

Russians are getting ready to get out in the streets

I am ready, Putin must do something or step down

Well, there were always more pussies than real men, you are a living example of that... !
Cheers to Alamo and Sepheronx who have been fighting with you few idiots for several hours now...

flamming_python wrote:Arkhangelsk, limb, billybalts91, Azi, caveat emptor, Regular, PhSt, thegopnik, zorobabel...

Remarkable. I think by day 3, over half the regular posters of the Ukraine thread are infected, and busy spitting out Ukrainian war propaganda, in an attempt to infect others
A couple others here are experiencing early symptoms. Yet others have gone quiet, probably thrashing around in a fever as the infection consumes them

The Ukros have come up with a remarkable psychological pathogen, the effect of which is considerably greater than anything happening on the ground.

I prescribe rest and voluntary quarantine for the next 48h.

If YOU notice symptoms, report in at this thread immediately.

I don't know about the others, but I think its normal to be frustrated after seeing how the Ukro Nazis have managed to break through Russian defenses in the Kharkov direction and make significant gains. This is not the kind of behavior people would expect from the world's 2nd/3rd most powerful military force. Just level all of Pukraine already! When everyone is dead then Russia can repopulate all liberated areas. End of story. Human casualties (both military and civilian) is normal in a war. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? In my view, talk of Russia performing a strategic retreat from Kharkov is just an excuse. Russia needs to change its approach to this war and make sure every Pukranian is exterminated.

So now the second post.

To restate. This is a major defeat. All territory gained by Russia in the Kharkov Oblast save the most northern parts, looks like it will be completely abandoned. This will severely shake Russia's credibility in Ukraine, in Russia itself and in the world. The Russian authorities promised that 'Russia is here forever' and it quickly abandoned Kharkov - which is a city founded by Russian Tsars and not in the Russian imagination a foreign city.

The Ukrainians - by all accounts punched forward with a powerful fist - their most powerful yet and barely grazed the Russians. From 6 to 10 September they attacked and whenever they met resistance from a Russian unit of appreciable size they were always halted or thrown back. From 6 to 10 September 2022 the Rosgvardia and then the VDV fought while being heavily outnumbered in Balakleya for 4 fays and prevented the Ukrainians from capturing a town they had clearly reckoned to capture on day 1 or day 2 of their offensive, judging by UKR telegram posts and a number of false claims they had captured it and/or overrun the garrison. Russian forces throughout all of this demonstrated high morale and never retreated until ordered to. This makes the complete abandonment of the position utterly baffling and questionable from both a military and, in this author's opinion, political standpoint. Military the Russians tied significant Ukrainian forces to Kharkov city and to near Izyum and Slavyansk that were not directly in front of Donetsk. Now the Ukrainians can concentrate their forces.

This leads to the conclusion. More Russian troops are not on their way, the Russians were taken by surprise at the force of the blow - and Putin is not releasing more troops to the operation.

The contrast between a masterful defense in Kherson and - at the operational level, tactically Russian forces performed at worst acceptably if not better - the abysmal defense of Kharkov Oblast will have consequences. Now is that the time to doom though - and not to be optimistic. Now is the time to be angry. If you are Russian, demand that more be done. If you are Ukrainian and live in areas where the Russians are, demand that they protect you and be serious. If you are not Russian, urge these things - for the Ukrainians have made no secret of what they will do to those they see as 'collaborators' which is to say anyone who so much as accepted Russian humanitarian aid packages. It is encouraging that Russia has begun more seriously evacuating civilians to keep them out of harm's way but they should never have been put there in the first place.

The responsibility for this goes to the very top - to the political decision makers. They have choices they need to make if they want to win - and we should do whatever we can to urge them to do it.

- Rybar , Donbass Devushka, zastavny, Voenkor Kotenok

The time has come enough is enough

Putin, shoigu, someone has to step down

Podlodka77 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:I would like a reasonable number of forum members to support the Sepheronx idea and temporarily lock this section.
Garry, this is a mess and a couple of idiots have completely polluted the site...
You are the one who decides but this has become a complete mess. It's stupid that a couple of complete idiots spill the same thing on the forum..

Locking the thread would be the worse thing ever

Look you guys cannot hide this under the rug anymore

The MOD channel is being swarmed with dislikes

All the Z channels have implemented no comment rules

Russians are getting ready to get out in the streets

I am ready, Putin must do something or step down

Well, there were always more pussies than real men, you are a living example of that... !
Cheers to Alamo and Sepheronx who have been fighting with you few idiots for several hours now...

Flaming Python as well been doing great, with Papa Dragon at least telling these guys if they don't like what's happening, they can go fight instead of crying.

But a few of them are obviously only here to gloat and and we know who they are. Some are genuinely saddened

Arkanghelsk wrote:Russians are rejecting Z channels, MOD updates that are trying to brush it aside

Over 10k dislikes on all MOD posts

The Putin government is under fire and is in danger of complete loss of confidence- people in Russia are organizing protests

So you found 10k fools

Half probably Ukro psyops trolls, half doomers

Dude let the military do their job. They know better than you. And no anyone with half a brain can see that Russian command is leading the Ukrs into a blatant trap. The only worry for me is whether the Ukrs will truly fall for it and move in their reserves. I suspect not. But the damage done to them is very considerable already.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Russians are getting ready to get out in the streets

I am ready, Putin must do something or step down

Must do what?

You're the one who's ready to go out into the streets and do NATO's job for them. I'm afraid you and Putin are not on the same side.

Their psychological op would be a remarkable success in that case.
But I suspect you're rather exaggerating. Don't see anyone out in the streets around here.

Arkanghelsk wrote:...The responsibility for this goes to the very top - to the political decision makers. They have choices they need to make if they want to win - and we should do whatever we can to urge them to do it....

Then get off the internet and get to the recruitment station

And get all your women to hit the streets and to demand war and end of pussyfooting



Sitting on your ass and complaining is easy, getting off your ass is harder

Put your money where your mouth is

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Russians are getting ready to get out in the streets

I am ready, Putin must do something or step down

Must do what?

You're the one who's ready to go out into the streets and do NATO's job for them. I'm afraid you and Putin are not on the same side.

Their psychological op would be a remarkable success in that case.
But I suspect you're rather exaggerating. Don't see anyone out in the streets around here.

путин веди войска!!!

Kinda ironic that all the idiots professing to hold the line on the fvcking internet, on an insignificant board, all advocate for others to go to the real front, but not themselves.  

All of that cause they can't handle the cognitive dissonance noise hurting their little brains right now, making them angry, and lashing out at others who don't see their fake reality.

Dimwitts never fail to disappoint.

Arkanghelsk wrote:I am ready, Putin must do something or step down

Several things need to happen in order for Russia to regain its honor and respect

Use FOABs or any other non-nuclear conventional weapons with the most blast radius on all Pukranian population centers.

1. in the Kiev region, Bomb the Presidential and RADA buildings, all NATzO affiliated government figures needs to be eliminated

2. All cities in Western Ukraine needs at least a minimum of 50 FOABs arrivals

3. Power plants, Dams, Farms, and all other source of food and drinking water needs to be FOABed.

This will ensure that all of Pukraine will be starved and frozen to death by winter season.

The world will never mess again with Russia when these strategic objectives are realized.

sepheronx wrote:
And can't you read what I, Alamo and others said or you ignoring that too?

I don't even know why I'm bothering as you are clearly ignoring what is being said.

Here, I'll entertain you:  Russia lost the war, it will give up. Donetsk, Lugansk and Kherson which Russia defended so far in this recent attacks, is ALL LOST.

I'll say at least your assumptions isn't as bad as ISOS.  That guy makes up events and states what isn't and is used regardless of video evidence.

Russia will not lose Kherson or Lugansk in the next months, but they will lose the entire war in long terms if they capture not at least half of Ukraine in the next 2 years. The pool of Ukrainian meat is just too big and they will throw ethnic Russians in the meat grinder too! And Russia will for sure not use nuclear weapons!!! Did they used nuclear weapons during the 2 wars in Chechenya?

пшек, it's rich you calling pussy, along with fucking Canadians and Pindos

PhSt wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:I am ready, Putin must do something or step down

Several things need to happen in order for Russia to regain its honor and respect

Use FOABs or any other non-nuclear conventional weapons with the most blast radius on all Pukranian population centers.

1. in the Kiev region, Bomb the Presidential and RADA buildings, all NATzO affiliated government figures needs to be eliminated

2. All cities in Western Ukraine needs at least a minimum of 50 FOABs arrivals

3. Power plants, Dams, Farms, and all other source of food and drinking water needs to be FOABed.

This will ensure that all of Pukraine will be starved and frozen to death by winter season.

The world will never mess again with Russia when these strategic objectives are realized.

And how to deliver the FOABs? No strategic aviation is flying over Ukraine due to ukrainian AD systems, only tactical aviation. And Ukrainian Air Force is still alive, 6 months after the start of the special operation.

Azi wrote:The pool of Ukrainian meat is just too big! And Russia will for sure not use nuclear weapons!!! Did they used nuclear weapons during the 2 wars in Chechenya?

I have been wondering, what is the use of developing conventional weapons with a wide blast radius if its not going to be used in situations like in PUkraine.

ATLASCUB wrote:

Kinda ironic that all the idiots professing to hold the line on the fvcking internet, on an insignificant board, all advocate for others to go to the real front, but not themselves.  

All of that cause they can't handle the cognitive dissonance noise hurting their little brains right now, making them angry, and lashing out at others who don't see their fake reality.

Dimwitts never fail to disappoint.

I am to die under Putin, while the poles, Canadians, and Yankees here pay taxes for Saint javelin

PUTIN OUT

PhSt wrote:

Azi wrote:The pool of Ukrainian meat is just too big! And Russia will for sure not use nuclear weapons!!! Did they used nuclear weapons during the 2 wars in Chechenya?

I have been wondering, what is the use of developing conventional weapons with a wide blast radius if its not going to be used in situations like in PUkraine.

Waiting for an imaginary NATO attack from direction of Poland?!