Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

Cyrus the great wrote:I understand that there is an economic dimension to this war and that mobilisation would only put unnecessary strains on the Russian economy... but why can't Russia deploy at least 300k troops?

Because Putin is afraid of generating resistance in society. Nor is it a military problem. Those who say that this would put the rest of the forces at risk are absurd. For example, if the bitch Prime Minister Finland were to invade the border she would be nuked with nuclear weapons. Nukes nullify any attack from behind. That is why Russia must focus on Ukraine.

Putin wants to professionalize a war, do it surgically, make it a television show for the Russians, but that is no longer possible. It had no effect.
This makes me doubt the average Russian. Are you a patriot? is idiotized by the West? what do women think? Are you aware of what is at stake in Russia?


About the Russian economy. The sanctions are already there. They can't do any more damage. And the west is going to be badly damaged in winter

Now, the longer you take to organize an offensive, use junk instead of your best weapons, when you make stupid military mistakes, the war drags on and that affects the economy.

Still stumped at how Russia's withdrawal from Kharkov (with minuscule casualties) has sent so many pro-russians into absolute panic and hysteria, would be funnier if it wasn't so tragic.

Broski wrote:Still stumped at how Russia's withdrawal from Kharkov (with minuscule casualties) has sent so many pro-russians into absolute panic and hysteria, would be funnier if it wasn't so tragic.

Every withdrawal is a defeat.
3000 km these animals have gained. Karhov is a big city. What guys like you do is disguise military incompetence and try to find alternatives. It's been 3 months since Russia has made any progress at all.

If I follow your criteria, the USA Americans also withdrew from Afghanistan with minimal casualties. They occupied the country for 20 years, stole the resources and then left.
They didn't run like rats trying to export that farce of liberal democracy and because of the lack of preparation of their recruits (stupid obese teenagers and brown immigrants fighting for citizenship)

Not in panic anymore since I think I understand what they are trying to do 1st,  before escalating the issue like mobilization. I am upset how no one here is praising the Russians for flooding the dam by dividing Ukraine army to massacre them easier while the other group has to take a 200km detour around to get to the same place.

ALAMO wrote:

Backman wrote:[
There's no way 300,000 troops (calling up 220,000 more troops) is going to damage the economy.

You can't be more wrong.
It sends a strong signal that the conflict is much more serious.
That affects the whole economy.
You are considering that from a human resources perspective, while we talk about consumption&investments.
In uneasy times, both get a serious cut in each household, private business, and daily operations, in general.
I have slashed the investments in my own company. My friends made personnel reductions or reassignments.
And this happens in countries formally not involved in the conflict, we just react for inevitable troubles in the EU economy.
Now imagine the mobilization in Russia, an officially made one. The very first would be reservists fleeing, just what we saw in Ukr.

I'd argue that we already know that the war is more serious. This denial is stressing the citizenery out.


I mean if they mobilized just their professional army. Which wouldn't require a draft.

ArgentinaGuard wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:

Mir wrote:

ArgentinaGuard wrote:
Pinochet was a patriot. Of course he deserves respect. Except for the communism of his country.

Holy shit you are dumb.

I know someone, directly face to face, who suffered under Pinochet.  A Chilean who was a socialist. He was a university student at the time. Ended up in prison when he told his goons that he was a proud socialist that applied for schooling in Leningrad.  He was thrown in jail then exiled.

Don't talk about events you neither understand. By sounds of it, you don't understand much

It must have been a red propagandist. Allende was useless who led Chile to poverty and hyperinflation, who gave shelter to the terrorists who planted bombs in my country. A bastard that I only recognize one thing: he had the honor of committing suicide.

I ask your student friend. If in the Soviet Union you made propaganda for the return to the Church and the Russian empire, what happened? Did they take you out for coffee?

What was wage growth, rate of property onwership and access to utilities in chile during pinochet? Latin american capitalists are the worst. You'd sell out your own country's entire wealth in order to suck the US member. This is the result of the dysfunctional iberian system of oligarchic land ownership, where nothing mattered, except noble privileges and exploiting the landless majority to max.

BTW you stand for something peron was against.

I began to doubt Russia the moment I saw how the Ukrainians use drones to the fullest, and the Russians found out late. How can it be that a country with the technology and scientific resources of Russian has to buy second-hand drones from the Iranians. That is not propaganda. It is real that drones are a problem and you did not know it before starting the operation.
Didn't you realize they were important in modern warfare? You couldn't create an electronic warfare program? that sabotages the drones.
It reminds me of how the first world war started with the cavalry facing the machine guns. This is unacceptable for a country like Russia.

ALAMO wrote:




Inspector General of the Bundeswehr, Eberhard Zorn, quoted by Focus, claimed that there are no signs of any Ukro "counteroffensive".

The actions they have made are good enough to fight and reclaim a village rather than push the Russian army away.

Oh my oh my, who would consider such zrada

By the way, the guy holds the highest position in the german armed forces, there is no higher rank.

He will be in retirement soon. Very soon.

Big_Gazza wrote:

ALAMO wrote:A full set of newly delivered modernized BMP-2M with Berezok turrets.

It is some fresh cossack unit.

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1570379369281101824

Never saw so many BMP-2 with Berezhok turret in the wild.

Broski wrote:Still stumped at how Russia's withdrawal from Kharkov (with minuscule casualties) has sent so many pro-russians into absolute panic and hysteria, would be funnier if it wasn't so tragic.

There are a lot of ppl on the fence and they don't know what the truth is about this war. The initial retreats were being successfully explained away by the Russia supporting side. But then boom, all of a sudden Ukraine just takes a ton of territory.

Anyone who was on the fence about this war has been lost now. All they have to do is look at a map. Propaganda wise , it's just an impossible task now to win anyone over who's unsure.

ALAMO wrote:

Mir wrote:
You admire Pinochet and you are an Argentinian!? Do you have Nazi memorabilia on your wall? Do you read Mein Kampf before bedtime just to calm your nerves so you could go to sleep?

I have a funny story to tell
A friend of mine, is a Pole naturalized in Germany.
His family is there like since the 60s, when having a german shepherd dog was enough to get citizenship
He was on a tourist trip to Argentine, settled by a well-known German tour operator.
The story happened in the 90s
He took his wife for a trip to visit "a German settlers' domain"
They were getting there by the river.
At the very end of the trip, they faced something that looked like a big fortress made of brick, concrete and wood.
It looked like the Atlantic Wall, only smaller, including small windows for shooters in a thick walls surrounding  
As soon as they walked through the gate, a proudly waving nazi banner entertained their approach.
The very last thing he dared to say to his wife, as she was with him, was "shut the **** up and don't open your mouth!" as she was a Pole either, but hardly speak any German as she just arrived a month earlier
That was a bloody nazi fort in the middle of nowhere, where little kids were "sieg heiling" at any corner.
Like in the bloody movies.

I'm going to take it lightly so you can see that I'm not bad and that I participate in the forum out of sympathy for Russia and because I want it to win this war.
Regarding Nazism, it is true that in Argentina they were never seen badly. Peron brought many Germans, but it is true that they came because there is a large community that dates back to the 19th century. There were also anti-Nazi Germans in Argentina.
However, the Germans here lived a few kilometers from Jewish and Slavic villages (there are many Poles, Slovenians, Russians). There were never any problems or confrontations. That happens because they are Argentines. They are patriotic and grateful. They are not fifth column. That is the advantage of nationalism over communism. The Nazi flag was next to the Argentine flag.

And another thing, those Nazis were real, not Azov clowns who have no idea about the history of National Socialism.

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sepheronx wrote:
What was wage growth, rate of property onwership and access to utilities in chile during pinochet? Latin american capitalists are the worst. You'd sell out your own country's entire wealth in order to suck the US member. This is the result of the dysfunctional iberian system of oligarchic land ownership, where nothing mattered, except noble privileges and exploiting the landless majority to max.

BTW you stand for something peron was against.

Peron was not a communist, Allende was.
The Chilean economy did nothing but grow in 1980 and 1990. Stability, inflation, employment. If I think your health and private education policy is wrong. A balance between public and private. I am not a neoliberal, but you need private property and free enterprise. The socialists repress this to spread corruption and to give alms to parasitic and unproductive sectors.

Su dropping thermobaric gifts. Note the trail of flares as well as the fields sown with craters.

Looking at the sat pics, Moscow is getting bigger and bigger.

Attack at some pontoon bridge, looks like 4 dishwashers were thrown at this one. 

ALAMO wrote:More probably, it is FAB-250SzN (ФАБ-250ШH). It is a 250 kg general purpose parachute retarded aerial bomb.

You can´t say retarded anymore. This a "special" bombs. 

Full list

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 15, 2022)

Russian Aerospace Forces, missile troops and artillery launch massive fire attacks at the units and reserve forces of Ukrainian troops.

High-precision air attacks launched at the provisional bases of 116th Territorial Defence Brigade and Omega special detachment near Odnorobovka and Kharkov (Kharkov region) have resulted in the elimination of up to 30 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) and 10 units of military equipment.

Massive fire attacks have resulted in causing casualties of up to 500 servicemen and over 40 units of military equipment of 24th and 28th AFU mechanised brigades near Krasnoye Znamya and Novogrigorovka (Nikolayev region), as well as of 46th Airmobile Brigade of the AFU near Sukhoy Stavok and Belogorka (Kherson region).

Within unsuccessful operation of 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU near Spornoye (Donetsk People's Republic), the formation has lost over 80 Ukrainian servicemen dead, 8 armoured vehicles and 5 pickups.

Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised 7 AFU command posts near Dobropolye, Artyomovsk (Donetsk People's Republic), Kamyshevakha (Zaporozhye region), Olgino (Kherson region), Kalinovka, Murakhovka, Novorossiyskoye (Nikolayev region), as well as 42 artillery units, 116 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas.

5 missile, artillery and munitions depots have been destroyed near Prikolotnoye, Izyum (Kharkov region), Krasnoye, Seversk and Novogrigorovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

Air defence facilities have shot down 12 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Snigiryovka and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region), Zemlyanki, Kamenka, Novopetrikovka, Kirillovka, Nikolayevka, Staromlinovka (Donetsk People's Republic), Maksima Gorkogo, Pyatikhatki and Chkalovo (Kherson region), as well as near Smeloye (Zaporozhye region).

Moreover, 2 Tochka-U ballistic missiles have been destroyed in air near Perevalsk (Lugansk People's Republic) and Donetsk, as well as 30 HIMARS and Olkha MRLS projectiles near Kakhovka hydroelectric plant, Kherson city and Trudovoye (Zaporozhye region).

In total, 293 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 1,960 unmanned aerial vehicles, 374 air defence missile systems, 4,934 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 835 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,387 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,602 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.


EDIT PLUS

Approximately 120 Ukrainian paratroopers who tried to land on the Kinburn Spit were destroyed by allied forces. Russian artillery & aerospace forces were waiting for them, reports Stremousov

It was reported that UA paratroopers approached with 7 speed boats and 1 Mi-8 helicopter the western peninsula of Kherson.

https://t.me/asbmil/5259