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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:09 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:And you are still discussing the thing that was known as ukrofake a week ago?
    Seriously?
    It's not the same case. These are completely new pics. Jury is still out if this is true or not.

    Oh, it is not the same?!?
    So what is it?
    The next fake in a line?
    Gee!

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    I believe RGO handgrenades are designed with intend to sabotage equipment for such cases and they are handed out to motorized and mechanized units. **** ups like that shouldn't happen. There is also little explanation how such equipment was not possible to just be taken along with retreatment. Take the fuel you have and retreat even if it is 10km. If fuel was an issue, then great opertional level planning. /sarcasm
    I don't think fuel was the problem but malfunctioning of the equipment. It takes 30 seconds to destroy it.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:20 pm

    don't think fuel was the problem but malfunctioning of the equipment. It takes 30 seconds to destroy it. wrote:

    It was damaged but they should destroy it during the evacuation.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:28 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    It was damaged but they should destroy it during the evacuation.

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    The USA has been testing the MiG-29 and Su-27 for several decades, and did they attack Russia? What would change if they got possession of the Su-57, for example ? Nothing !
    Are we now going to cry all evening for one T-90M ?
    I'm not attacking you, of course, I'm just writing that writing about that tank is stupid.

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    Post  Tolstoy Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:31 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Putin also states that the relationship with India is rapidly strengthening like their relationship with China.
    Strengthning how? Did he share some insight? Oil  export to India has increased, but that aside any other major development?

    Putin will have to be careful here. Strengthning relations with India will adversely affect Russia's relation with China, Russia's main ally. India with an economy 1/5th of China's cannot offer anything to Russia that China can't. Furthermore, Pakistan is also trying to improve its relations with Russia.

    If Russia gets too close to India its relation with Pakistan & China will suffer. Russia needs to treat India neither as a friend nor as an enemy.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:33 pm

    Of course, you are right. Even the acquisition of the T-90M will not do much for the USA and NATO. It is a pity that they did not manage to evacuate this tank. These T90Ms are quite valuable.

    f Russia gets too close to India its relation with Pakistan & China will suffer. Russia needs to treat India neither as a friend nor as an enemy. wrote:

    Russia can have very good relations with hostile countries. There are many examples Very Happy

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    Post  Tolstoy Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:45 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Also the low level bombing by Su-34 make it vulnerable to Manpads which towed decoy dont really address.
    Why would you say that? Towed decoys can work effectively against MANPADS too.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:55 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Putin also states that the relationship with India is rapidly strengthening like their relationship with China.
    Strengthning how? Did he share some insight? Oil  export to India has increased, but that aside any other major development?

    Putin will have to be careful here. Strengthning relations with India will adversely affect Russia's relation with China, Russia's main ally. India with an economy 1/5th of China's cannot offer anything to Russia that China can't. Furthermore, Pakistan is also trying to improve its relations with Russia.

    If Russia gets too close to India its relation with Pakistan & China will suffer. Russia needs to treat India neither as a friend nor as an enemy.


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    Post  adder Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:03 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Putin also states that the relationship with India is rapidly strengthening like their relationship with China.
    Strengthning how? Did he share some insight? Oil  export to India has increased, but that aside any other major development?

    Putin will have to be careful here. Strengthning relations with India will adversely affect Russia's relation with China, Russia's main ally. India with an economy 1/5th of China's cannot offer anything to Russia that China can't. Furthermore, Pakistan is also trying to improve its relations with Russia.

    If Russia gets too close to India its relation with Pakistan & China will suffer. Russia needs to treat India neither as a friend nor as an enemy.

    You do realize both China and Russia doesn't want India to fall into US camp.
    Also putin is thinking long term and he doesn't want to put all eggs in one basket.
    India for now is the worlds 5th largest economy by the end of the decade it will be 3rd and at some point around 2 decades from now will be second largest economy.

    Also as china becomes a peer enemy for the US, certain western technology will be banned for export to china.

    While India will still get those technologies, already it was reported that India is supplying spares for commerical aircraft in Russia via back channel and also supplies auto mobile parts and electronics( may be the chips in dishwashers).

    Russia and India are trading in their respective currency for all exports and imports excluding oil/lng. Since the india is exporting less, it has to use the accumulated rupee to buy something. Those something are pharma, electronics, spares for automobiles and planes certain food products etc.

    While oil and gas are still bought in dollars.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:06 pm

    India for now is the worlds 5th largest economy by the end of the decade it will be 3rd and at some point around 2 decades from now will be second largest economy. wrote:

    No now India is the world's third economy according to ppp. Russia is the fifth economy according to ppp GDP.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:25 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
     Why would you say that? Towed decoys can work effectively against MANPADS too.

    Because Towed decoy is to decoy radar guided missile. It contains radio frequency equipment. In order to also fool manpads you need INFRA RED source. Which may involve some optics and some IR source which adds WEIGHT and SIZE to the decoy.

    That's why you see DIRCM tucked in the aircraft fuselage but NOT a towed decoy.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:29 pm

    news sweet news


    09/18/2022 01:28 PM (updated: 09/18/2022 05:52 PM)

    Russian forces hit the base of mercenaries of the American PMC near Kramatorsk

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced a strike on the bases of PMC "Academy" and the national battalion "Kraken" in the DPR
    https://ria.ru/20220918/naemniki-1817658270.html

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:34 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:news sweet news


    09/18/2022 01:28 PM (updated: 09/18/2022 05:52 PM)

    Russian forces hit the base of mercenaries of the American PMC near Kramatorsk

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced a strike on the bases of PMC "Academy" and the national battalion "Kraken" in the DPR
    https://ria.ru/20220918/naemniki-1817658270.html

    Well good things.

    I would love tho to see Russian counteroffensive. Imagine what Western news agency face look like if Russians actually retake what they previously lost.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:50 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    It was damaged but they should destroy it during the evacuation.

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    Why destroy a damaged T90? I doubt the Ukrainians can repair it anyway. They never operated the T90, so they have no spares and it would be a pain to operate with such a small fleet. More likely it will be recaptured in the not to distant future.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:56 pm

    There should be logistical troops that retrieve them but.. apparently with Retreat from Kharkov.. the team was never arrive.

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:58 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Well good things.

    I would love tho to see Russian counteroffensive.  Imagine what Western news agency face look like if Russians actually retake what they previously lost.
    The goal for now is liberation of the Donbass. At the moment they´re cracking some of the hardest nuts in the fortification lines. After that we will see a Phase 3 of the SMO (or ATO by then). I know, the hardest thing in wartime is to be patient but the greatest military leaders had exactly that in abundance.

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:05 pm

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    The engine of an iranian drone, found in 404. Now the claim is that the Russians are hitting Ukro artillery with this drones. Because until now the Russians
    didn´t destroy any Ukro artillery.  Rolling Eyes  Looks like an new PR stunt by the cabal in Washington/Langley. A re-visit of the "Axis of Evil" thing.

    The introduction of some russian drones was put back a few years because of rigorous testing. Instead of rushing these models into service the Russians choose
    to procure iranian drones that were never tested by them?  scratch

    These drones were used by the Houthis. So these engine was propably given from the Saudis to the Amercians which send them to 404 for this propaganda stunt.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:09 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25 - Page 10 Fc9f4h10
    The engine of an iranian drone, found in 404. Now the claim is that the Russians are hitting Ukro artillery with this drones. Because until now the Russians
    didn´t destroy any Ukro artillery.  Rolling Eyes  Looks like an new PR stunt by the cabal in Washington/Langley. A re-visit of the "Axis of Evil" thing.

    The introduction of some russian drones was put back a few years because of rigorous testing. Instead of rushing these models into service the Russians choose
    to procure iranian drones that were never tested by them?  scratch

    These drones were used by the Houthis. So these engine was propably given from the Saudis to the Amercians which send them to 404 for this propaganda stunt.

    I've also heavily questioned this claim. We have seen Russian drones quite often in Ukraine now, even suicide drones by Zala used as well.

    I don't doubt Russia may test the Iranian drones. But let the west keep lying. They claimed NK shells, Chinese drones, they will come up with anything to try and make Russia look caveman backwards and stupid and incapable of making drones, tanks, shells, boats etc. You know, the nation that makes hypersonic missiles, 5th gen fighter jets, etc.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:26 pm

    ⚡An enemy officer captured by Wagner fighters spoke about the situation in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    ❗Exclusive❗

    A Ukrainian officer taken prisoner by the Wagnerites from the Bakhmut group spoke about the panicked mood of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Bakhmut area and how the battalion of the 127th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ceased to exist.

    The command continues to transfer a large number of manpower to the Bakhmut direction, regardless of losses.

    https://t.me/anna_news/39662

    As Martyanov said the Ukrainians are using Zap Brannigan strategies 😄😄

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:31 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I don't doubt Russia may test the Iranian drones. But let the west keep lying. They claimed NK shells, Chinese drones, they will come up with anything to try and make Russia look caveman backwards and stupid and incapable of making drones, tanks, shells, boats etc. You know, the nation that makes hypersonic missiles, 5th gen fighter jets, etc.

    Nothing wrong with showing flexibility. If Russia doesn't produce something or not in sufficient quantities, next best thing would be to import from friendly country. 
    Goal is to destroy the enemy and wint the war. Not to score some virtual wins on social networks. 
    In this particular case, Russia doesn't produce anything similar in range and warhead mass, so this was a logical move.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I don't doubt Russia may test the Iranian drones. But let the west keep lying. They claimed NK shells, Chinese drones, they will come up with anything to try and make Russia look caveman backwards and stupid and incapable of making drones, tanks, shells, boats etc. You know, the nation that makes hypersonic missiles, 5th gen fighter jets, etc.

    Nothing wrong with showing flexibility. If Russia doesn't produce something or not in sufficient quantities, next best thing would be to import from friendly country. 
    Goal is to destroy the enemy and wint the war. Not to score some virtual wins on social networks. 
    In this particular case, Russia doesn't produce anything similar in range and warhead mass, so this was a logical move.

    So long as they start producing them locally I'm fine. Improve what they need to and get them out in their own production.
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:56 pm


    The captured T-72B3 tows the captured T-90M

    No drone available to destroy the T90M?


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    Post  thegopnik Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:00 pm

    Arrow wrote:T 90M taken over by the Ukrainians. Probably abandoned.
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    T-72s look similiar to T-90s is there a way to confirm which is which?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:07 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:And you are still discussing the thing that was known as ukrofake a week ago?
    Seriously?
    It's not the same case. These are completely new pics. Jury is still out if this is true or not.

    As I recall a T-90M was taken out already and the wreck ended up behind enemy lines

    It was that tank that was alleged to have been taken out by a Carl Gustav from the side or such. But someone did a video on YouTube where they concluded that the tank was shot from behind by its comrade tank after the crew had evacuated, probably because it was immobilized and they wanted to avoid it falling into enemy hands

    Anyway, from that wreckage at least the reactive armour and such would have been salvaged already. Quite possible some of the internal systems survived.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:10 pm

    Doesn't really matter in anyway. They may repair it to make it functional again to use against Russia but I doubt it. If it gets shipped to US so they can learn...what? Nothing special. Maybe signals is the most sensitive.

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