Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

ALAMO wrote:
Good luck using a tank weighing 62+ tons in a road system, where bridges were built deliberately to carry less

Abrams was designed for Euro plains, intended to meet the advancing soviet tank formations.

So they would work fine in ukraine and most bridges can carry them easily.

Abrams were all installed with turbine engines because the US thought it would always have air superiority. The amount of logistical work it takes to keep Abrams tank formations moving is insane. It would be a disaster. Moron.

The turbine engine is a gas hog, and it consumes about the same amount of fuel idling, as it does going full blast. The Abrams can only go about 100 miles on a full tank of fuel. The leopard can go around 400 miles on the same amount of fuel, and keep their electronic equipment functioning while idling, consuming less fuel than the Abrams, just starting the flame on the turbine.

A German Panzer (Armored) Division has a couple of thousand fewer people in it than an American Armored Division, because of the necessity of having to have a huge contingent of men, and large fuel trucks, to satisfy the Abram’s immense thirst.

The Germans point out that the American’s huge fuel columns would be very vulnerable to enemy air attack. The Americans say that they will always have air superiority, if not supremacy, over the battlefield.

Backman wrote:


The turbine engine is a gas hog, and it consumes about the same amount of fuel idling, as it does going full blast. The Abrams can only go about 100 miles on a full tank of fuel. The leopard can go around 400 miles on the same amount of fuel, and keep their electronic equipment functioning while idling, consuming less fuel than the Abrams, just starting the flame on the turbine.

M1 tank uses 20l of diesel just for the start cycle. Its insane.

We are still discussing this phantasmaghoria?

NATO will escalate, the comments of nuclear weapons aren't without reason

NATO expects retaliation once Ukraine uses long range weapons on Russian cities

It is not without reason MI6 comments on tactical nuclear strikes by russian military

So far western intel was spot on with regard to the SMO , mobilization, and now they speak of nuclear strikes

Mobilization is not the answer, it is part of it but only if the clowns at the top bomb civilian Ukraine like Syria

If they bungle this, which they did in Kharkov, it will lead to precisely what NATO is saying

The tail wags the dog, in this case NATO crafted every response to Moscow decisions

This decision was foreseen and told about by NATO, just like nuclear strikes

Why would it happen? If the Kremlin send conscripts into cities like they did in February to the volunteer forces, and average draftees are killed, it will be a bigger disaster then Kharkov- which is the cause of the declaration

Russia recoiled at the ineptitude of Kremlin and MOD, so they scrambled to mobilize because the population demanded it

Only they still have not implemented strikes on civilian infrastructure like apartments and buildings the VSU can hide

If they use these conscripts in this way, leading to casualties in the rank and file, the idiots at the top will escalate into NATO designed and managed nuclear crisis

A screen shot from the February 27th Kharkov assault, where Russian troops are walking on foot into the city without prior bombardment

If these idiots in Moscow, send conscripts into urban blocks in this way-

NATO already calculated mobilization, now NATO will seek to kill as many young Russian draftees as possible

They will do so, and have calculated it

The only way the Kremlin is not dragged into NATOs gambit is to BOMB Ukrainian cities like Mariupol and Syria

If they send kids into combat without the support needed, it will be a devastation for Russia

The population is already in a state of agitation, and this announcement calms things down, but only if done correct

Sending Russian youth into ambushes will end with Putins assassination, or the nuclear scenario

Arkanghelsk wrote:

A screen shot from the February 27th Kharkov assault, where Russian troops are walking on foot into the city without prior bombardment

Seen this and similar incursions live and they ended horribly. Especially the one where they also had "bronekapsula" truck lost in the city. At least it was before Ukrs were executing POWs en masse and captured guys got exchanged.

Ukraine now does that too. Their DRG elements are getting caught in the open with predictable results while Russians barely do any thunder runs. Russian advance is more methodical now and screened by auxilaries. Don't worry much about same situations. I suspect Vostok type of battles are on the way. Cities can be surrounded and mariupolled.

Regular wrote:

Seen this and similar incursions live and they ended horribly. Especially the one where they also had "bronekapsula" truck lost in the city. At least it was before Ukrs were executing POWs en masse and captured guys got exchanged.

Ukraine now does that too. Their DRG elements are getting caught in the open with predictable results while Russians barely do any thunder runs. Russian advance is more methodical now and screened by auxilaries. Don't worry much about same mistakes.

The mobilization means they seek to increase the pace and scale of assault

It means forces will move forward into pre-planned defenses

--- the key was never mobilization, it was VKS and missiles

Okay you mobilize and can move faster, but the result will be the same, if VKS does not clear the path for the men

The mariupol solution is the only way, because Ukraine will not stop fighting

NATO foresaw this and has implemented its own plan to go after the draftees

As well as execution videos of draftees

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The VKS must be used liberally now

Aslin and that other brit loser was released to the UK. This is probably Russia trying to deescalate bit. It wouldn't surprise me if Aslin comes back to Ukraine. That's just the way these retards are. They should have kept them to the end. Whatever

The US may “retaliate with a crushing blow to the Russian army if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine”, says the FORMER commander of US forces in Europe. Retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges

America's response "may not be nuclear" but warned that if Putin used nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the US could try to "destroy the Black Sea Fleet or destroy Russian bases in Crimea” - ex general Ben Hodges


.. are you fucking dumb, Ben? Does this clown realize that would result in an immediate nuclear attack on Washington or New York?

Americans are fully ready to end the world over Ukraine. Absolutely mental.

t.me/asbmil

The astonishment of Russian telegram and Russians to this, is unbelievable

Of course the US will escalate- where has everyone been since 2001?

The question is why is Washington so certain about nuclear weapons use?

Because they have already created the triggering event

1. Biological weapons use on conscripts

2. Long range bio weapons delivery to Russia

3. Mass slaughter of conscripts in ambushes

4. Detonation of an NPP near Russian forces

All of these scenarios could be implemented, if CIA, Pentagon and MI6 are yapping about nuclear weapons then everyone can be assured they will trigger this scenario

Only Putin and his yes men are stupid enough to be led into this scenario

Everyone knows that Russia has the conventional capability to win. They almost won with the ragtag allied militia with a hard cap. They won against the regular Ukraine army.

But maybe the US/Nato will set off a small nuke inside Ukraine. And they will use this incident to kick Russia out of the national security council. That's what the latest talk has been. This of course will lead to the collapse of the United Nations.

Backman wrote:Everyone knows that Russia has the conventional capability to win. They almost won with the ragtag allied militia with a hard cap. They won against the regular Ukraine army.

But maybe the US/Nato will set off a small nuke inside Ukraine. And they will use this incident to kick Russia out of the national security council. That's what the latest talk has been. This of course will lead to the collapse of the United Nations.

Russia must win, there is no way around it

And it must win definitively

Russia needs to knock Ukraine back to 1929, via massive strikes and destroy the country, and send in the army to occupy those zones

By bringing ukraine to its knees, the threat to Russia will be gone

A buffer zone will be secured against NATO, and nuclear weapons can handle the rest

What needs to happen is a large scale bombardment of all of Ukraine

There can be no scenario where Ukraine scores ambushes on the guys, or where long range weapons hit Russia

Ukraine must be pacified and annexed in a Palestinian format - no questions

And Putin must stop playing his cynical games playing with the lives of Russians for his own games

Once he finishes the war, he must leave and go to the background - simple as that

so 5am to 7am tommorow everyone will be mobilization place, 2 weeks of training than get sent to ukraine?

Does anyone know how and where the claim about just two weeks of training for the mobilized troops started? Is that some mistake/mistranslstion or did a Russian official/Putin really say that?

thegopnik wrote:so 5am to 7am tommorow everyone will be mobilization place, 2 weeks of training than get sent to ukraine?

Not quite, the conscripts are already prepared

Remember two drafts are conducted every year

Those guys can go to Ukraine and provide half the manpower of the "300,000"

The rest can be assembled from other veterans

Those forces will provide the 2nd echelon of the main attack force - Wagner, Army, Chechens and such

If Those conscripts are sent into combat to exploit breakthroughs, the VKS must bomb ahead of them indiscriminately

Arkanghelsk wrote:

thegopnik wrote:so 5am to 7am tommorow everyone will be mobilization place, 2 weeks of training than get sent to ukraine?

Not quite, the conscripts are already prepared

Remember two drafts are conducted every year

Those guys can go to Ukraine and provide half the manpower of the "300,000"

The rest can be assembled from other veterans

Those forces will provide the 2nd echelon of the main attack force - Wagner, Army, Chechens and such

If Those conscripts are sent into combat to exploit breakthroughs, the VKS must bomb ahead of them indiscriminately

No conscripts being sent into combat or are you referring to the 2021 conscripts being first recall?

Arkanghelsk wrote:The US may “retaliate with a crushing blow to the Russian army if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine”, says the FORMER commander of US forces in Europe. Retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges

America's response "may not be nuclear" but warned that if Putin used nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the US could try to "destroy the Black Sea Fleet or destroy Russian bases in Crimea” - ex general Ben Hodges


.. are you fucking dumb, Ben? Does this clown realize that would result in an immediate nuclear attack on Washington or New York?

Americans are fully ready to end the world over Ukraine. Absolutely mental.

t.me/asbmil

The astonishment of Russian telegram and Russians to this, is unbelievable

Of course the US will escalate- where has everyone been since 2001?

The question is why is Washington so certain about nuclear weapons use?

Because they have already created the triggering event

1. Biological weapons use on conscripts

2. Long range bio weapons delivery to Russia

3. Mass slaughter of conscripts in ambushes

4. Detonation of an NPP near Russian forces

All of these scenarios could be implemented, if CIA, Pentagon and MI6 are yapping about nuclear weapons then everyone can be assured they will trigger this scenario

Only Putin and his yes men are stupid enough to be led into this scenario

Man these Anglo's are out of there mind. Money and power hungry, they want the whole planet to be enslaved to them. They must be stopped.

Russians With Attitude
@RWApodcast

Aiden Aslin along with 10 other western mercs were released from DPR/Russian prisons and sent to Saudi Arabia that served as a mediator

Aslin was "sentenced to death" in DPR (there were not a single death penalty executed in DPR). This was a circus from the start

NOTE: does anyone have more information re this?

The Russian government should declare traitors to the nation those who protest against the mobilization and against anyone who finds out to leave the country.
Prison or death penalty.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Mobilization is not the answer, it is part of it but only if the clowns at the top bomb civilian Ukraine like Syria

If they bungle this, which they did in Kharkov, it will lead to precisely what NATO is saying

The tail wags the dog, in this case NATO crafted every response to Moscow decisions

This decision was foreseen and told about by NATO, just like nuclear strikes

Why would it happen? If the Kremlin send conscripts into cities like they did in February to the volunteer forces, and average draftees are killed, it will be a bigger disaster then Kharkov- which is the cause of the declaration

Russia recoiled at the ineptitude of Kremlin and MOD, so they scrambled to mobilize because the population demanded it

Only they still have not implemented strikes on civilian infrastructure like apartments and buildings the VSU can hide

If they use these conscripts in this way, leading to casualties in the rank and file, the idiots at the top will escalate into NATO designed and managed nuclear crisis

Mobilization is a necessary but late measure. You cannot live the war of your nation on television. It's not a show. Get off your ass, that's the message. The Russians must understand what is at stake.


There is no possible nuclear crisis. That's the end of the world, at least in the West

franco wrote:Russians With Attitude
@RWApodcast

Aiden Aslin along with 10 other western mercs were released from DPR/Russian prisons and sent to Saudi Arabia that served as a mediator

Aslin was "sentenced to death" in DPR (there were not a single death penalty executed in DPR). This was a circus from the start

NOTE: does anyone have more information re this?

They exchanged him for someone or for money.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Regardless this should have been done months ago, but I do love when the armchair experts get proven wrong

meh, I  am not even a general nor expert. Taking into account what you have just said above   you must be some high ranking active officer, since you are not an armchair general ,  am I right?

ArgentinaGuard wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Mobilization is not the answer, it is part of it but only if the clowns at the top bomb civilian Ukraine like Syria

If they bungle this, which they did in Kharkov, it will lead to precisely what NATO is saying

The tail wags the dog, in this case NATO crafted every response to Moscow decisions

This decision was foreseen and told about by NATO, just like nuclear strikes

Why would it happen? If the Kremlin send conscripts into cities like they did in February to the volunteer forces, and average draftees are killed, it will be a bigger disaster then Kharkov- which is the cause of the declaration

Russia recoiled at the ineptitude of Kremlin and MOD, so they scrambled to mobilize because the population demanded it

Only they still have not implemented strikes on civilian infrastructure like apartments and buildings the VSU can hide

If they use these conscripts in this way, leading to casualties in the rank and file, the idiots at the top will escalate into NATO designed and managed nuclear crisis

Mobilization is a necessary but late measure. You cannot live the war of your nation on television. It's not a show. Get off your ass, that's the message. The Russians must understand what is at stake.


There is no possible nuclear crisis. That's the end of the world, at least in the West

Argentinian, there is no more "There is no possible nuclear crisis" but I think that all options are in play.
Nuclear weapons exist and therefore there is also the possibility (and therefore the danger) of their use. And you know what I fear the most ? I fear that the only country that has used nuclear weapons so far and therefore has "experience" with their combat use, could use those weapons again. You and I, like everyone else here, know which country it is. Russia is not the problem, the West, specifically the USA and the UK, is the problem.
I'm afraid that there is no one sane left at the top of the US government.
The Soviet Union disintegrated peacefully and left the world stage without much fanfare, so now it can be seen that the USA is not able to do it in the same way.
And while the West is pushing through its media wunderwaffe like the M777, HIMARS, etc, I'm not really sure that the NATO pact has anything to show in the case of a conventional war. THEY HAVE PLANES, but if one war has proven all the vulnerability of aviation, then it is this war. The Russians would attack all major military airports in the EU without any major problems. And the sick West, led by the USA, is a greater danger in terms of the use of nuclear weapons (strike first) than Russia.
WHY DID THE WEST WANT THE NATO PACT TO ENTER THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE?
First strike, tactical nuclear strike. The West is ready for that.