Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25

Not a nice animation.

sepheronx wrote:Doesn't really matter in anyway.  They may repair it to make it functional again to use against Russia but I doubt it.  If it gets shipped to US so they can learn...what?  Nothing special.  Maybe signals is the most sensitive.

Maybe the hide a tracking beacon on the tank that is activated remotely. Once they see it is gone, they way a while to make sure its in a repair depot, and BOOM.

drones, there is something called Geranium-2 (Rus: Герань-2) flattening ukro mobile artillery or himars launchers. Coincidentally similar to Iranian Shaheed-136 kamikadze drone. Coincidentally (Te)geran in Russian is Tehran. but of course just gasme of words.


https://military.pravda.ru/news/1749825-novye_bpla_vs_rf/



For you all lads please use correct names:

There is Artyomovsk not Bakhmut and not Dnipro but Dnepropetrovsk . Thanks

Bakhmut is not even that bad, as that is historical name of the town. Dnipro and Kharkiv, on the other side, are absolute crap.

caveat emptor wrote:Bakhmut is not even that bad, as that is historical name of the town. Dnipro and Kharkiv, on the other side, are absolute crap.

perhaps Bakhmut wasn't that bad if it wasn't brought back by this nazi oligarch Poroshenko

sepheronx wrote:Doesn't really matter in anyway.  They may repair it to make it functional again to use against Russia but I doubt it.  If it gets shipped to US so they can learn...what?  Nothing special.  Maybe signals is the most sensitive.

They can learn to create apfsds and heat rounds which can counter relict and Russian composite armor arrays more efficiently, just like how M829A2 completely nullified kontakt-5.

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Western sources say RF has moved its 1st Guards tank army and the 90th tank division in this area:
(now we know at least where those buggers were moving to)

Rumors for awhile that they having been sitting in northern Luhansk... waiting for

One of the US armchair generals (actually retired USA major) who likes to track the units reports there are only 60 BTG's in the SMO at the present including 20 in Kherson (about half VDV) and 12-16 in this reserve. Absolutely no Russian BTG's in Lyman or Bakhmut fronts, only volunteers or Donbas forces.

Hole wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:Well good things.

I would love tho to see Russian counteroffensive.  Imagine what Western news agency face look like if Russians actually retake what they previously lost.

The goal for now is liberation of the Donbass. At the moment they´re cracking some of the hardest nuts in the fortification lines. After that we will see a Phase 3 of the SMO (or ATO by then). I know, the hardest thing in wartime is to be patient but the greatest military leaders had exactly that in abundance.

You do know that the artemovsk-soledar-seversk line is far less fortified to than the Kramatorsk-konstantinovka-druzkovka line, yet its taking over 2 months to take a few hamlets on its outskirts?

Avdeevka is several times more fortified than peski too.

limb wrote:

Hole wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:Well good things.

I would love tho to see Russian counteroffensive.  Imagine what Western news agency face look like if Russians actually retake what they previously lost.

The goal for now is liberation of the Donbass. At the moment they´re cracking some of the hardest nuts in the fortification lines. After that we will see a Phase 3 of the SMO (or ATO by then). I know, the hardest thing in wartime is to be patient but the greatest military leaders had exactly that in abundance.

You do know that the artemovsk-soledar-seversk line is far less fortified to than the Kramatorsk-konstantinovka-druzkovka line, yet its taking over 2 months to take a few hamlets on its outskirts?

Avdeevka is several times more fortified than peski too.

Check the landscape behind artemovsk-soledar-seversk. The villages are not the problem, it's the high ground running behind them.

Go shopping a round? What do we need?








Russia’s Use of Iranian Kamikaze Drones Creates New Dangers for Ukrainian Troops

Shahed-136 drones supplied to Russia carried out several devastating strikes in Ukraine’s Kharkiv region over past week, Ukrainian commanders say
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Over the past week, Shahed-136 delta-wing drones, repainted in Russian colors and rebranded as Geranium 2, started appearing over Ukrainian armor and artillery positions in the northeastern Kharkiv region, said Col. Rodion Kulagin, commander of artillery of Ukraine’s 92nd Mechanized Brigade.

In his brigade’s operational area alone, the Iranian drones—which usually fly in pairs and then slam into their targets—have destroyed two 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, two 122-mm self-propelled howitzers, as well as two BTR armored infantry vehicles, he said.

Before the current wide-scale use of the Shaheds, Russia carried out a test last month, striking a U.S.-supplied M777 155-mm towed howitzer with the drone, Col. Kulagin said. Another Iranian drone malfunctioned and was recovered, he said.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-use-of-iranian-kamikaze-drones-creates-new-dangers-for-ukrainian-troops-11663415140?st=iffjbuvepwpposv&reflink=share_mobilewebshare



Shahed-136 apparently has a radar-absorbing honeycomb structure and uses an MD-550 Motor aka Limbach 550E.

Had asked what Larow was doing very early here. Why don't Moscow buy drones in Iran and crew? After all, Moscow has learned and it slowly but increasingly fatal! Very good.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Go shopping a round? What do we need?








Russia’s Use of Iranian Kamikaze Drones Creates New Dangers for Ukrainian Troops

Shahed-136 drones supplied to Russia carried out several devastating strikes in Ukraine’s Kharkiv region over past week, Ukrainian commanders say
...
Over the past week, Shahed-136 delta-wing drones, repainted in Russian colors and rebranded as Geranium 2, started appearing over Ukrainian armor and artillery positions in the northeastern Kharkiv region, said Col. Rodion Kulagin, commander of artillery of Ukraine’s 92nd Mechanized Brigade.

In his brigade’s operational area alone, the Iranian drones—which usually fly in pairs and then slam into their targets—have destroyed two 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, two 122-mm self-propelled howitzers, as well as two BTR armored infantry vehicles, he said.

Before the current wide-scale use of the Shaheds, Russia carried out a test last month, striking a U.S.-supplied M777 155-mm towed howitzer with the drone, Col. Kulagin said. Another Iranian drone malfunctioned and was recovered, he said.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-use-of-iranian-kamikaze-drones-creates-new-dangers-for-ukrainian-troops-11663415140?st=iffjbuvepwpposv&reflink=share_mobilewebshare



Shahed-136 apparently has a radar-absorbing honeycomb structure and uses an MD-550 Motor aka Limbach 550E.

Had asked what Larow was doing very early here. Why don't Moscow buy drones in Iran and crew? After all, Moscow has learned and it slowly but increasingly fatal! Very good.

Because the potbellies in the kremlin need to see "rigorous tests" and because they can't be "humiliated" to buy more. This is a step in the right direction though. Listen to the russian soldiers complaining about lack of drones, not wishy washy pundits.

Check the landscape behind artemovsk-soledar-seversk. The villages are not the problem, it's the high ground running behind them.

Thats trivial to deal with with a firepower and range advantage. Massive concrete tunnel networks, not so much.

Tolstoy wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Putin also states that the relationship with India is rapidly strengthening like their relationship with China.

Strengthning how? Did he share some insight? Oil  export to India has increased, but that aside any other major development?

Putin will have to be careful here. Strengthning relations with India will adversely affect Russia's relation with China, Russia's main ally. India with an economy 1/5th of China's cannot offer anything to Russia that China can't. Furthermore, Pakistan is also trying to improve its relations with Russia.

If Russia gets too close to India its relation with Pakistan & China will suffer. Russia needs to treat India neither as a friend nor as an enemy.

Thanks for stating the obvious regarding the nuances of international diplomacy. I'll be sure to record your words of wisdom and make sure that Lavrov and his boys receive them so that they now what to do...

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

Why don't Moscow buy drones in Iran and crew? After all, Moscow has learned and it slowly but increasingly fatal! Very good.

Because Iran is not a very cooperative business partner. Maybe, just maybe, that is changing a little. Its not exactly calm in the middle east. So I don't know why Iran would sell drones that they might need in a war. This is probably a trade. And fighter aircraft are going back.

Scott Ritter on Russias prospects for the Ukraine war. It agrees with what I have said. Russian interdiction has been a failure as has Russian Counter battery artillery. These have a massive knock on cost of failure. the interdiction and counter battery can only be done by Russian forces and not rebels. Only Russia has the sophistication and air power to pull it off. The fact that Ukraine can train and equip and army and bring it to the front lines is a massive failure. Unless Russia succeeds in interdiction it cannot win this war decisively. Perhaps they are counting on a winter offensive when there will less coverage form foliage. I am not sure. But cutting of Ukraine from Western supply chain will be essential to winning this war. Either that or they send 3-400K troops in armored divisions and just steamroll the Ukrainians. The Russian are not killing enough of the UAF fast enough to bleed them fully dry.

^ I don't necessarily disagree. It will be difficult for Russia to win a war without using its military.

limb wrote:
Because the potbellies in the kremlin need to see "rigorous tests" and because they can't be "humiliated" to buy more. This is a step in the right direction though. Listen to the russian soldiers complaining about lack of drones, not wishy washy pundits.

That has nothing to do with it. Russia has been open to doing business with Iran for a long time. But Iran doesn't reciprocate. They would rather do business with the US than Russia. They buy spare military parts and stuff from Ukraine and Belarus. Anything to avoid Russia. Now maybe that has changed. But it still wouldn't surprise me if there is a fallout again.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Not a nice animation.

Its total shit. 60,000 sq kms 'liberated" by Ukropisstain?? Only an idiot thinks that Ukros "liberated" Kiev, Sumy, Chernigov etc.

Don't post Ukropi bullshit. Liberating Donbass and East Ukainians from degenerate bandera trash is already hard enough given the psychotic fascist nature of the Kiev regime and its globalist backers without people willingly spreading their fcking propaganda nonsense.

If you want to do that, pls go elsewhere. This forum is Nazi BS free zone, or at least, we prefer that it is.

Over ten explosions have been recorded in Zaporozhye. Power infrastructure was hit. The power is out

How does disabling the power help in the field ?

Putin commented on the "counteroffensive" of Ukrainian troops

SAMARKAND, September 16. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on the counter-offensive operation of the Ukrainian troops, calling to see how it ends.
"The Kyiv authorities have announced that they have launched and are conducting an active counter-offensive operation. Well, let's see how it will go, how it will end," the Russian leader told reporters on Friday following his visit to Samarkand.

https://tass.ru/politika/15780009

Backman wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

Why don't Moscow buy drones in Iran and crew? After all, Moscow has learned and it slowly but increasingly fatal! Very good.

Because Iran is not a very cooperative business partner. Maybe, just maybe, that is changing a little. Its not exactly calm in the middle east. So I don't know why Iran would sell drones that they might need in a war. This is probably a trade. And fighter aircraft are going back.

meh Iran us cery cooperative partner but Russian side was always uber prudent - zionist lobby is strong. The fun is that zionist intelligentsia is usually pouring all shit on Mother Russia for being aggressive towards her neighbors. From Israel too




Now Russia got bunch of ready-2-use drones with long range (i.e. long loitering time) and big bomb. It si not about that Russia cannot make such a thing but that Geran-2 is is now and here. And that's what counts.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Putin commented on the "counteroffensive" of Ukrainian troops

SAMARKAND, September 16. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on the counter-offensive operation of the Ukrainian troops, calling to see how it ends.
"The Kyiv authorities have announced that they have launched and are conducting an active counter-offensive operation. Well, let's see how it will go, how it will end," the Russian leader told reporters on Friday following his visit to Samarkand.

https://tass.ru/politika/15780009

Backman wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

Why don't Moscow buy drones in Iran and crew? After all, Moscow has learned and it slowly but increasingly fatal! Very good.

Because Iran is not a very cooperative business partner. Maybe, just maybe, that is changing a little. Its not exactly calm in the middle east. So I don't know why Iran would sell drones that they might need in a war. This is probably a trade. And fighter aircraft are going back.

meh Iran us cery cooperative partner but Russian side was always uber prudent - zionist lobby is strong. The fun is that zionist intelligentsia is usually pouring all shit on Mother Russia for being aggressive towards her neighbors. From Israel too




Now Russia got bunch of  ready-2-use drones with long range (i.e. long  loitering time) and big bomb. It si not about that Russia cannot make such a thing but that Geran-2 is is now and here. And that's what counts.

Yes, iranian drones are a stopgap, until russia can produce thousands of loitering muntitions per month.

From the eyes of the enemy: "The Mokshas got quite a moral blow as a result of our Zerg-rush, but that has nothing do to with our real military achievements. We've paid in blood abundantly for each square meter of the liberated Ukrainian land, but we never managed to eradicate not a signle unit of Rusnya. Strictly speaking, those units that did not run away as Lugansk/Donetsk infantry did, showed the highest skill of mobile defense against a 8-10-fold numerical superiority of the advancing Ukrainian units.

We got very few Moksha killed or taken prisoner. There's been a lot of those who ran away, but this will pass. They'll put Prigozhin's dissuasion squads behind, and Moksha won't tremble anymore.

But the rout of our lines taken by the Moksha's artillery and airforce... Well, it is well known what king Pirrus said about his victory”, writes an anonymous Ukrainian ultranationalist in his channel “The Other”.

Moksha is a name of a Finno-Ugric tribe assimilated into the Slavic substrate, used by the Ukrainian nationalists as a pejorative for the Russians, implying that the Russians supposedly aren’t pure Slavs, unlike Ukrainians.
https://t.me/war_subtitled_en/659

Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev arrived in China, where he will hold bilateral consultations on security. It is planned to discuss issues in the development of the agreements reached at the recent meeting between Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping, as well as "a wide range of topics aimed at further strengthening bilateral cooperation in the field of security."

Why would someone this important be taking a holiday to China now ? It basically indicates that they are just going to keep at the same tempo to the start of winter