Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25

Show this to your liberal brainwashed friends, if you want to do them a favour:

thegopnik wrote:cool as **** video with iranian drone swarm not gonna lie.

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1573327883783008257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1573327883783008257%7Ctwgr%5Eecb26a1e04214643b27e393888f507d3eb958145%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinodefenceforum.com%2Ft%2Fthe-war-in-the-ukraine.8948%2Fpage-687

these have an insane flight range https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-invaders-attacked-odesa-with-shahed-136-kamikaze-drones/#:~:text=Presumably%2C%20the%20effective%20range%20of,maximum%20range%20is%202500%20kilometers.&text=Such%20a%20drone%20flies%20at,speed%20of%20about%20180km%2Fh. wonder if Russia can create smaller drones than these while storing all of them in the Su-70 internally

I think there are also some flapping birds in the mix. It is hard to separate them visually.

Bit of background from a MoA poster for you

      " The southeastern parts of today's Ukraine have for centuries been part of the central Russian empire. They were only attached to the Soviet Republic of Ukraine under Lenin's rule in 1922"

   This is not true. They were regions of independent Ukrainian People's Republic.

Response A

"The Ukrainian People's Republic declared its independence in January 1918. This political entity was predicated on a self-declared autonomous Ukrainian republic which came into existence in March 1917, with the approval of Russia's Provisional Government.

The original autonomous Ukrainian republic, however, did not claim territory east of the Dniepr River. Therefore, the regions of Kharkov, Lugansk, and Donetsk were not originally part of the autonomous Ukrainian region or its successor entity, the Ukrainian People's Republic.

Only in March 1918, at the Brest-Litovsk treaty negotiations, was the Ukrainian People's Republic vastly expanded territorially at the expense of Russia. That's because the Germans took political control of the UPR and turned it into a Central Powers puppet state. That's why this fake, enlarged state of Ukraine included Crimea, Odessa, Kherson, the Black Sea littoral, Donbass, Kharkov, and many parts of southern Russia and the Russian Caucasus.

Nobody aside from the Germans and their allies recognized the existence of the UPR.

Note that even while the UPR existed, parts of eastern Ukraine refused to join it. In February 1918, the Russians and Russified Ukrainians of Donbass declared the Donetsk–Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic, which immediately assumed a state of war against the UPR. Later the DKRSR joined the Soviets, who by that time had pacified and Sovietized western Ukraine.

During the past two decades, Ukrainian nationalists have pushed the myth that the UPR was a real country and state, built around historical, political, and demographically authentic Ukrainian borders. But that's just a lie. UPR was not a real country or state. It's a shame that so many Western academics and media outlets are allowing the Ukrainian nationalists to get away with perpetuating the falsehood of the so-called UPR."

Response B (to the end of the post)

First of all, the UPR wasn’t really “independent”. Secondly, it existed for 5 months, then was liquidated by Austrians and Germans, then, 8 months later, was reestablished and existed for another 2 years⁠—in other words, it was quite an ephemeral entity. Thirdly, it didn’t control half the areas it claimed as its own. Fourthly, in the areas that it did control, its control was quite tenuous. Fifthly, the regions in question changed hands multiple times. Let’s look at this last point in detail:

Characteristics of the regions in which referendums on joining the Russian Federation will be held (RIA Novosti, September 23, 2022 — in Russian)

On Donetsk (Yuzovka until 1924):

   In May 1917 it received city status. At the end of 1917, Soviet power was established in the city. In January / February – March 1918, it was part of the Donetsk–Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic within the RSFSR. At the second All-Ukrainian Congress of Soviets held on March 17–19, 1918, it was included in the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. After the signing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (1918), at the end of April 1918 it was occupied by German troops and until the end of 1918 was part of the Ukrainian State of Hetman Pavlo Skoropadskiy. Since December 1918, hard battles were being fought in the Yuzovka region between units of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia [South of Russia was a short-lived state recognized only by France — S] and the Workers’ and Peasants’ Red Army, in May 1919 units of AFSR entrenched in the city.

   In December 1919, during the offensive of the Red Army, Soviet power was restored in the city.

On Lugansk:

   On November 8, 1917, Soviet power was established in Lugansk. During the Civil War (1917–1922) in April–November 1918, the city was occupied by German and Austrian troops. In November 1918 – December 1919, Lugansk repeatedly changed hands. On December 24, 1919, units of the Red Army finally captured the city.

On Kherson:

   After the fall of the monarchy, in November 1917 – January 1918, the city was under the control of the authorities of the Ukrainian People’s Republic […]. Soviet power was established at the end of January 1918. In April–December 1918, Kherson was occupied by Austrian troops, then was under the control of the local city duma and the military revolutionary committee, that in February 1919 recognized the authority of the Directorate of Ukraine (the central authority of the Ukrainian People’s Republic); at the same time, in January–March 1919, the Anglo–French and Greek troops were stationed in the city. On March 9–10, 1919, Kherson was captured by the detachments of ataman Nikolay Grigoryev (the leader of the armed formations in the Ukraine during the Civil War of 1917–1922). In May–August 1919 Kherson was under the control of the Workers’ and Peasants’ Red Army, in August 1919 – February 1920⁠—the Armed Forces of the South of Russia. On February 3, 1920, it was occupied by units of the Red Army.

On Zaporozhye (Aleksandrovsk until 1921):

   During the Civil War (1917–1922) in April–November 1918 it was occupied by German–Austrian troops. In November–December 1918, it was controlled by the Directorate of Ukraine, and in the first half of 1919, by the Bolsheviks. In July 1919 it was occupied by units of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia. In 1919–1920, it was captured several times by detachments of Nestor Makhno. In January 1920, it was taken by units of the Red Army.

Then right after that came this from another poster

"Also, I'd like to comment on your observation that differences in political and ethnic identity in Ukraine are not just a geographic phenomenon (western vs eastern oblasts), but also reflective of deep divisions in industry (agricultural vs. industrial production).

Consider the example of Portugal, and its struggle with decolonization in the 1960s and 1970s.

IMO, there is a comparison between Ukraine's post-1991 insistence on holding – and trying to forcibly assimilate – eastern Ukraine and Portugal's long, painful, violent fight to hold onto its African empire in the 1960s and 1970s.

Historians tend to agree that Portugal refused to grant its African colonies independence for one reason only. That is, Portugal is just rocky terrain and a seashore. In the 1960s, Portugal proper had no natural resources or industries serving to maintain a high national GDP. This explains why, to the Portuguese, it was utterly important to hold onto the resource rich African colonies. Without those colonies, Portugal would have no reason to exist as independent country, and might even be swallowed by Spain.

I really believe that Ukrainian nationalists – from the country's west – think much like the Portuguese elites who tried to hold onto their African colonies. In other words, Ukrainian nationalists realize that, without the heavily industrialized southern and eastern parts of Ukraine, the country would be nothing except farmland. If Ukraine shrunk to just its western, central, and northern areas – mostly farmland– then the country might not have sufficient reason for maintaining independence. It would be such a poor nation that its population might choose to merge with Poland."

Who gives a fvck, gentleman. The South of what was formerly ukr, is gone forever. There is more to come, more that will be liberated from them nazi c0cksuckers.

People say the west has won, that is utter bullshit, the real winners, those that matter the most is the people who have stood up won and voted for their freedom, to join with Russia.

Russia will grow stronger with its new citizens, have more growth potential, combined with the new territories.

You think the Americans hold the higher ground, the vast majority of the world is turning towards the east. Hato claims that they have become stronger with 2 new additional  members, but how will the eu without cheap energy and other resources, grow, equip and sustain their economies and militaries ????

Recession and economic decline is what they won, with a weaker military because of the supplies sent to those nazis,
With the eu piss ants out the game, how will the uk and americans, fight or compete with Russia, China, Iran and others combined.

GreyZone Telegram has some interesting posts and pics re weapons being provided.

Sujoy wrote:Just read those western articles that TOR and Pantsir failed to hit drones, helos and that's how Ukrainian TB2 drones were able to hit Russian targets .

WTF?!?
Russkie brought down a few thousand of drones of different sizes, classes and occasions.
Of course, the bulk are small commercial pieces used for recon and dropping IEDs.
Bayraktars has been shattered to pieces over the Ukropistan, to the level where Turkey demanded changes in using them (not using) as the image was just falling down in a catastrophic way.
This is some kind of joke?

ТАСС



The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the destruction of up to 300 foreign mercenaries in the Nikolaev region
Up to 300 enemy foreign mercenaries destroyed by missile attack in Nikolaev region - Russian Defense Ministry.
According to the official representative of the department, Igor Konashenkov, this happened as a result of a missile attack on a temporary deployment point near the village of Kalinovka.
Russian troops during a special operation as a result of a missile attack in the Nikolaev region destroyed up to 300 foreign mercenaries. This was stated on Saturday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.





The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the destruction of more than 200 servicemen of three brigades in the Nikolaev region
Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed more than 200 servicemen of three brigades and three tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev region - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Also, according to the official representative of the department, Igor Konashenkov, three tanks were destroyed.
The Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) with high-precision weapons destroyed over 200 nationalists from three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), as well as three tanks during a special operation in the Nikolaev region. This was stated on Saturday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov- "The high-precision strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the positions of the 28th mechanized and 59th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the city of Nikolaev, as well as the 61st infantry brigade in the Ternovka region of the Nikolaev region, destroyed more than 200 nationalists, three tanks and 16 armored combat vehicles," - he said.



The Ministry of Defense reported that the losses of brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kharkov and in the DPR amounted to more than 140 people
Losses of three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kharkov and in the DPR after fire damage by Russian troops amounted to more than 140 people - Russian Defense Ministry.
19 units of military equipment destroyed
Three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) lost up to 140 servicemen as a result of massive fire damage by the RF Armed Forces in the Kharkov region and the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). This was stated on Saturday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"As a result of massive fire damage, the losses of the 14th and 92nd mechanized brigades in the Kupyansk region of the Kharkiv region, as well as the 66th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Shchurovo region of the Donetsk People's Republic, amounted to more than 140 servicemen killed and wounded, 19 units of military equipment," - he said.





The RF Ministry of Defense announced the elimination of 49 military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during an attempt by the 10th brigade to advance in the DPR
In addition, four units of armored vehicles were destroyed, said Igor Konashenkov, official representative of the department.
Forty-eight servicemen of the 10th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the DPR were liquidated as a result of an unsuccessful offensive attempt. This was announced by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov on Saturday.
"As a result of an unsuccessful attempt by the 10th mountain assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of the settlement of Berestovoye in the Donetsk People's Republic, 48 Ukrainian servicemen, including seven officers, were liquidated. Four units of armored vehicles were destroyed," he said at a briefing on the progress of the special military operations on the territory of Ukraine.







Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: in the Dnepropetrovsk region, a Russian Aerospace Forces fighter shot down a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
In the Dnepropetrovsk region, a Russian Aerospace Forces fighter shot down a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, converted to use US HARM missiles - the RF Ministry of Defense
A Russian Aerospace Forces fighter in the Dnepropetrovsk region shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft converted to use US HARM missiles. This was announced on Saturday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"In the area of ​​​​the village of Sergeevka, Dnepropetrovsk region, a Russian Aerospace Forces fighter shot down a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force, converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles," he said at a briefing on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine.





The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the UAV Bayraktar was shot down over the Kakhovka reservoir
Russian air defense systems over the Kakhovka reservoir shot down the Bayraktar UAV, which was heading in the direction of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant - the RF Ministry of Defense.



The RF Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of 42 shells of the MLRS HIMARS and Alder
Russian air defense shot down 7 Ukrainian UAVs in a day, destroyed 42 HIMARS and Alder MLRS shells, three HARM missiles, and two Tochka-U missiles - Russian Defense Ministry.
Russian air defense systems destroyed 42 HIMARS and Vilkha multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), three HARM anti-radar missiles, and two Tochka-U ballistic missiles in a day. Such data was given on Saturday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"42 shells of HIMARS and Alder multiple launch rocket systems, as well as three HARM anti-radar missiles were destroyed in the air in the area of ​​​​Nova Kakhovka, Kherson region. In addition, two Tochka-U tactical missiles were intercepted over the settlements of Matrosovka and Korsunka, Kherson region," he said.
Konashenkov added that "Russian air defense systems shot down seven unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Staromlinovka, Valeryanovka, Kirillovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Reshetilovskoe and Lyubimovka of the Zaporozhye region, Chkalovo and Kirovo of the Kherson region in a day."




Russian Defense Ministry: Russian military destroyed the radar of the Ukrainian S-300 air defense system in the DPR
The Russian military destroyed the radar station of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system in the DPR - Russian Defense Ministry.
During a special operation in Ukraine, the Russian military destroyed a Norwegian-made Arthur counter-battery radar in the Dnepropetrovsk region and a radar of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system in the DPR. This was stated on Saturday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"The radar station of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system in the area of ​​the settlement of Udachnoye in the Donetsk People's Republic and in the area of ​​the settlement of Mikhailovo-Zavodskoye in the Dnepropetrovsk region - the Norwegian radar station of counter-battery warfare "Arthur" were destroyed," he said.

RT DE claims to have access to a paper of Pentagon's thinktank (RAND corporation). It is about how they control Germany in the Ukraine conflict.
Here is what it says.



That explains quite well how the US has found a way to economically ruin Germany against their will. The article also explains why they are doing this. Since the end of the Cold War, when the Soviet Union was removed as their enemy, the US has viewed countries like Germany not only as their allies, but also as their new strategic enemies due to their role as economic competitors.

So when Putin described the collapse of the Soviet Union as a huge desaster, it did not only hold true for Russia, but also for many other countries around the globe. Even if some of them have not realized it, yet.

This MoAposter puts it so much better than I could

"I have read with great interest the emails of many people frustrated at the slow pace of Russian military campaign in Ukraine, with attendant losses in Russian lives and Russian prestige etc. etc. That is very natural. However ...

In any modern war, brute force winning on the battle field in the face of a formidable opponent determined to crush you economically, demolish your country and distribute the spoils, is foolish at best. Imagine Russia had used its entire might to invade and destroy Ukraine in the first few weeks of war. What would the non-western countries have done? They would have watched in horror, forcing them to side with the harsh sanctions of the combined west. That would have cratered Russian economy and destroyed the ruble. Russian people would have suffered immensely and the might of the Russian army would have been helpless to prevent the impoverishment of Mother Russia. Collective West would have realized its goal of destroying or at least weakening Russia.

Putin wisely decided to do SMO instead, with the limited objective of ending the misery of Donbass. The world, except the collective west (the so-called international community) understood and went along. Sanctions boomeranged and now the collective west, especially EU and UK, faces economic armageddon. WINTER IS COMING! Let us wait till March and see where the collective west stands then, thanks to its bone-headed sanctions policy, which has led to economic suicide. Without cheap Russian energy, which will never be made available to it again, UK and EU have committed ritual suicide (called Seppuku in Japan). Even with plenty of LNG from US, because of its high cost, EU industry will lose its competitiveness vis-a-vis Asia and EU might be permanently deindustrialized! Stone age anybody?

Meanwhile, Ukrainian army has been very nearly destroyed along with its considerable military arsenal. Thanks to billions of dollars (more than the entire annual military budget of Russia) of western aid (both military and economic) and heavy NATO involvement, Ukraine was able to launch an offensive that essentially enabled it to occupy some empty and weakly defended land near Kharkiv, but at an immense loss in NATO-trained and equipped brigades. So what?

What do you think Putin was doing at SCO in Samarkand when that was happening? He was quietly getting China and India to agree to look the other way for a more energetic military campaign. Remember he agreed with them to end this war quickly. So he comes back, gets Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaparotzia and Kherson oblasts to launch the referenda and authorizes partial mobilization! Brilliant move! Do you realize how stunned the collective west is? They are like deer caught in a car headlight, with an immense dilemma on their hands as to what to do next, short of WW III! I would say Putin is brilliant, not incompetent.

General Winter is coming and ask yourself which army is best equipped to wage a war in winter?

So, patience. As they say, Rome was not built in a day!"

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:RT DE claims to have access to a paper of Pentagon's thinktank (RAND corporation). It is about how they control Germany in the Ukraine conflict.
Here is what it says.

That explains quite well how the US has found a way to economically ruin Germany against their will. The article also explains why they are doing this. Since the end of the Cold War, when the Soviet Union was removed as their enemy, the US has viewed countries like Germany not only as their allies, but also as their new strategic enemies due to their role as economic competitors.

So when Putin described the collapse of the Soviet Union as a huge desaster, it did not only hold true for Russia, but also for many other countries around the globe. Even if some of them have not realized it, yet.

That document has been shown to be 99% fake, the RAND Corp itself have disowned it.

However, by shear fluke this comment appeared six hours ago on MoA that is rather relevant to your post, giving an indication that, whilst fake,there is probably more than a grain of truth in it.

"Well, well, well.

The Wall Street Journal is now openly admitting (or boasting) that America is the "big winner" from the economic crisis engulfing Europe, thanks to the anti-Russian economic sanctions that America pushed the Europeans to adopt so as to #Support Ukraine.

High Natural-Gas Prices Push European Manufacturers to Shift to the U.S.
https://archive.ph/Tiv7j#selection-99.5-99.77

As people from Michael Hudson to Andrei Martyanov have argued, America provoked the Ukraine War in part to both cause and benefit from Europe's economic implosion--and thus slow down its own decline.

That supposed "fake" Rand Corporation document which made this same argument may or may not be authentic, but it did articulate America's devious agenda accurately.

Many American apologists here have been eager to discount that "fake" Rand document, but now even a mainstream American mouthpiece like the Wall Street Journal is effectively confirming the general argument that it made.

America feasts on the carcass of its European "ally" like a hyena devouring one of its own. "

Doesn't matter if the RAND document was fake or not. Focusing on the messenger rather than the message, is a waste of time.

What matters is the validity of the points it makes.

My reading of it seemed the document contains a plausible summary of what has actually happened.

Germany is the biggest looser of this war. Other chihuahua EU states are already broken so the crisis doesn't change their shitty situation anyway.

Sholtz is a US pawn. He was clearly underestimating the situation and now is powerless.

You can say anything you want but Merkel was a mastermind in geopolitics and kept good relations with everyone.

Macron, Sholtz, Holland, UK prime ministers were and are all working for US goals. Worse is that EU is now so dependant on US in everything that even if everyone sees and understands the US game that consists in destroying EU economy no one can do anything because EU produces nothing anymore. Germany was the only coubtry worth something and they destroyed it.

Now they will create a new Marshall plan for the next 70 years. The previous one is reaching its end.

A lot of rumors out of China yesterday and today... time reveals!

JohninMK wrote:That document has been shown to be 99% fake, the RAND Corp itself have disowned it.

Do you have further info on that? It is no surprise that RAND would disown what amounts to the biggest loss of face of US, ever

Mikhail Mizintsev has been appointed to the post of Deputy Minister in charge of logistics instead of Army general Dmitry Bulgakov.

LMFS wrote:

JohninMK wrote:That document has been shown to be 99% fake, the RAND Corp itself have disowned it.

Do you have further info on that? It is no surprise that RAND would disown what amounts to the biggest loss of face of US, ever

It was done to death on MoA when the document first surfaced, its too difficult to try to go back and find it, sorry.

Much as expected by some of us here. Like a hole in lid jamjar with a bit of jam and water in is for wasps, hard to resist but deadly.

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AFU attempt to penetrate Russian lines North of Kupanjsk with a large force of 2000 men with armour. RuAF artillery and aviation hit them hard.
RuAF claim the AFU have suffered more losses on the Oskol River / Liman front in recent days than during the whole Kharkov offensive.

Some VERY interesting interview with a girl representing all the "liberda" values the curators paid Navalny for



In English, you might find it intriguing

LMFS wrote:

JohninMK wrote:That document has been shown to be 99% fake, the RAND Corp itself have disowned it.

Do you have further info on that? It is no surprise that RAND would disown what amounts to the biggest loss of face of US, ever

Rand has a "study" for anything, even to destabilize ( ) Little Britain or Gondor. Plus they go Plan B, C, D and E (= moving the goal post, something the americans are really great in) if Plan A fails. Which it does again and again and...

Long lines at the border as russian men try to leave the country. 

Mobilization is running smoothly (taken from Levi´s Twitter feed).

thegopnik wrote:the TB2 is fucking huge, it makes sense that it will be an easier targets for even short range air defenses. the shahad-136 is somewhat small. lancet-3 is smaller but it would be cool using Su-70s to drop the drones to swarm cities with them assuming they have folding wings to make it easier.

I think Russia is still building a big UAV factory, has to set up an electronics factory for domestic production and they are researching with 3d printing of minauture engines.

So the drone is Iranian designed but Russian build. 



Marker robot equipped with small recon drones, possibly loitering ammo. In the background you can see the launch from the robot, above the table on the left the drone.
You could pack a bunch of these into the bomb bay of an S-70.