Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

Hole wrote:Yes. These should be regular volunteers.

Some people claim that the official target of 300.000 soldiers in this small mobilization effort will be surpassed. There are a lot of extra volunteers showing up and it seems the military isn´t turning them away.

That's good to hear, wonder how many extras will be added?

Sujoy wrote:Russian fighter jets operating over Anti Access/ Area Denial environment in Ukraine must be fitted with MAWS, towed decoy and RF decoys.

Not necessary. Russian fighter pilots are better trained than say your Indian pilots. Moreover, Russian space based assets are very extensive and can easily pick up enemy movement.

As you have already noticed no country not even the US can afford to fight against Russia directly. This is not what you guys face where several EU countries, US will support China and Pakistan if India tries to invade those countries.

franco wrote:

You keep forgetting the prime purpose of the SMO... destroy the Ukrainian military. They got together 45,000 for the Kherson counter attack and took a beating. They got 50,000 together for the Kharkov counter attack, taking heavy losses but some success so they have apparently brought down reserves from Kiev to help. Saves the Russian army from having to go look for them.

I get that I do, because it's repeated ad infinitum on all blogs and on the forum

But it's just not true...

All these MOD statements about "hundreds of fighters killed" do not add up to getting pushed out of Kharkov

If it were true, the Ukrainians would not have been able to stage any offensive at all after April

When the blogosphere pronounced that the "Ukrainians lost the war and were demilitarized"

Except 4 months later... and here we are booted from Kharkov

As I said, letting Ukrops entrench for winter is the worse thing the Russian military and political leaders can do

And those who say "let them come to us" are listening too much to generals like Bulgakov

And admirals like Osipov that let missiles "come to us"

Tolstoy wrote:Not necessary. Russian fighter pilots are better trained than say your Indian pilots. Moreover, Russian space based assets are very extensive and can easily pick up enemy movement.

As you have already noticed no country not even the US can afford to fight against Russia directly. This is not what you guys face where several EU countries, US will support China and Pakistan if India tries to invade those countries.

Indian Su 30MKI pilots are also trained in Russia.

U.S will support both Pakistan & China if they go to war with India. If past is precedent then China will receive a lot of support from U.K as well.

Can someone give me a quick run down on the May 2 2014 Odessa massacre? https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/397060747 Did Russia intervene in Crimea from having a similar incident like that happen again?

thegopnik wrote:Can someone give me a quick run down on the May 2 2014 Odessa massacre?  https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/397060747 Did Russia intervene in Crimea from having a similar incident like that happen again?

Why are you using a site for bots and teenage degenerate shills?

All these MOD statements about "hundreds of fighters killed" do not add up to getting pushed out of Kharkov

If it were true, the Ukrainians would not have been able to stage any offensive at all after April

Exactly. This sounds like the excuse that the raid and retreat around kiev permanently pinned down and destroyed ukrainian troops which would make donbass much easier to take. Well, what a lie that was.

Konashenkov's triumphant ramblings about hundreds of troops killed per single missile strike dont hold any water.



BTW are russians using DRGs too to ambush troops behind enemy lines? Why can't several spetsnaz DRGs infiltrate around slavyansk and use the assistance of pro-russians there to destroy ukrainian SAMs and artillery?

thegopnik wrote:Can someone give me a quick run down on the May 2 2014 Odessa massacre?  https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/397060747 Did Russia intervene in Crimea from having a similar incident like that happen again?

There were stories of "freedom trains" with Azov style people on board headed to Crimea. Also, various demonstrations from the local Turkic population sprung up on cue I recall reading a sign that send freedom for Tatarstan. {The "pan-Turkic movement is the 2020s rehash of the arc of instability of the 1970s.} The powers behind the coup knew they could always escalate the situation to force Putin's hand. Demonstrations and attacks of the Russian naval base in Crimea would have been the next step. They wanted sanctions and they were going to get them one way or another.

thegopnik wrote:Can someone give me a quick run down on the May 2 2014 Odessa massacre?  https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/397060747 Did Russia intervene in Crimea from having a similar incident like that happen again?

I watched it literally on-live translation. It looked like a carefully planned murder.
1. Several thousand ultras arrived in Odessa allegedly for a football match.
2. On the same day, pro-Russian supporters campaigned on the square near the House of Trade Unions.
3. At the beginning of the day, I saw several people killed by unknown people on the street (eyewitnesses said that they were killed with a gun).
4. The police were literally inactive at this time.
5. Agitators were quickly found among the ultras, who shouted that these murders were the work of pro-Russian demonstrators.
6. For some time there was a cordon of local police between the ultras and pro-Russian demonstrators, but then it disappeared.
7. The pro-Russian demonstrators, being in the minority, preferred to retreat to the House of Trade Unions.
8. Ultras broke into the square and began to set fire to the tent city, which was deployed on the square by pro-Russian demonstrators.
9. Demonstrators, fleeing from an aggressive (and armed) crowd of ultras, locked themselves in the House of Professional Unions.
10. Ukrainian Nazis set fire to the doors and lower floors, throwing molotov cocktails at them. Then they stood and rejoiced at how dozens of people were burned alive. Those who tried to get out of the burning building were beaten, maimed and killed.

The web is full of photos and videos of evidence of the atrocities of the Ukrainian Nazis. You just need to make a request to Google. The official results are 48 dead and about 250 injured, although it was initially stated that the number of victims was over a hundred people, and some of the bodies were secretly removed, as they bore traces of torture and bullying that caused death.

limb wrote:

Exactly. This sounds like the excuse that the raid and retreat around kiev permanently pinned down and destroyed ukrainian troops which would make donbass much easier to take. Well, what a lie that was.

This is what we were told, in Kiev, in Kharkov, and in Zmeiny Island

That it would be better to retreat, because we were killing "so many ukrainians"

Except 8 months later the hohols who were demilitarized , are conducting 50,000 man offensives into Russian defended territory

I won't blame Konashenkov he has to say what he's told

But those 60 year old imbeciles from MOD and general staff, who are inept like that fat **** that got fired are incompetent

They don't use drones because they don't trust technology

They are a danger to the men

Like the asshole who sent a BTG in 3 waves across the bridge that was annihilated

Literally there are people in the MOD and staff which are incompetent to the core

They were yes men and that's why they have a job

But they get entire BTGs liquidated and cannot organize a defense because they use outdated methods and have never heard of C4ISR

How can an asshole like that be in charge of Moskva and eat mines or AshM?

Same with VKS commanders that send su 30s into SAM defended areas at low altitude

They are everywhere, little incompetents that would have been shot under Stalin

Werewolf wrote:That could be very much be true and quite easy to implement, but only if the decision makers would take that into account. Currently the results of using Attack Helicopters and S-80 unguided rockets as light artillery seems to be very easy and very low risk, so that might be a deciding factor to not urge such development. The other factor is a Helicopter drone that could carry a big enough payload of unguided rockets needs to be a certain size and would cost a lot more than what is already used. We will probably see something like the BAS-200 heli-drone will be plausible.

Most of the time the Ka-52 carries 2 pods (40 S-8 rockets) + a few ATGM´s. A 3,5t heli drone should be able to carry the same ammount of weapons and could operate closer to the frontline. Every regiment could have one unit for direct fire support. Which would take some years, of course.

Looking at the Su-75 and her unmanned version it´s very likely that either the Ka-52M/Mi-28NM or their follow-on will be produced in manned and unmanned versions.

4 done, some 20 to go. The regions in yellow will be next.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sprinter88000/status/1574463307372793861 Dmitry wants ukraine nuked.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
This is what we were told, in Kiev, in Kharkov, and in Zmeiny Island

That it would be better to retreat, because we were killing "so many ukrainians"

The more we can look into,the more it looks like, at least the Kharkov "retreat", fits perfectly into a deliberate scenario fueled by the Kremlin.

It is the weak flank apparent disaster and the prospect of hordes of fascists now knocking at the door of Russia itself that is currently fueling the mobilization altogether as much as the referenda.

Russians coul not be convinced into a state decreed mobilization as effectively had the need for defending the Motherland and "sticking it up to those Nazis" not being part of the equation.[/quote]

Arkanghelsk wrote:

limb wrote:

Exactly

This Stalin

You are repeating the same bullshit about the start of the war almost every page

Werewolf wrote:

Hole wrote:
It´s more likely that in a few years manned attack helis will only use stuff like Izd. 305 + Vikhr or other ATGM´s in the same class while the use of unguided rockets against infantry will be delegated to heli drones. At least against near-peer enemies.

That could be very much be true and quite easy to implement, but only if the decision makers would take that into account. Currently the results of using Attack Helicopters and S-80 unguided rockets as light artillery seems to be very easy and very low risk, so that might be a deciding factor to not urge such development. The other factor is a Helicopter drone that could carry a big enough payload of unguided rockets needs to be a certain size and would cost a lot more than what is already used. We will probably see something like the BAS-200 heli-drone will be plausible.

If you are just gonna use it like a dump truck would it not be easier and way cheaper to use a short takeoff turboprop plane? It could carry far more payload then a helo drone.

Hole wrote:

Excellent map and I think makes the Russian plan apparent.   Anchor the first layer which ties Crimea to Russia and liberates the Donbass
and Kherson.   Then proceed to the yellow zone with the rear secured.

kvs wrote:

Hole wrote:

Excellent map and I think makes the Russian plan apparent.   Anchor the first layer which ties Crimea to Russia and liberates the Donbass
and Kherson.   Then proceed to the yellow zone with the rear secured.

Gotta take artemovsk and kramatorsk first.

kvs wrote:Excellent map and I think makes the Russian plan apparent.   Anchor the first layer which ties Crimea to Russia and liberates the Donbass
and Kherson.   Then proceed to the yellow zone with the rear secured.

And it makes even more clear why the soft military approach to the infrastructure and the population. You cannot expect normal people to vote for you after killing and maiming them...

Backman wrote:Alex M. from the Duran said on his program that there is another peace proposal floating around in Saudi. Something about Russia talking the 4 regions but Ukraine keeping Odessa. And the EU is warming up to deals like this.

It seems to me to be highly unlikely but you never know. It's a useless deal to me. Russia needs a 300 kilometer buffer. Period.

I would say Odessa and Nikolaev will be liberated. Transnistria and Gagauzia have waited far too long to reunite with Russia and by not liberating These two regions in Ukraine would not only be a betrayal and complete let down by Russia and Russia would lose face with Odessa, Nikolaev, gagauzia,Transnistria, populations especially the latter who not only fought a war over the matter but also been living in limbo for decades now there is light at the end of the tunnel the reunited process is now within its grasp it would be bad news if Russia was to walk away and abandon them when they are this close. And I think Russia will want to seal off Ukraine from the sea, after snake island, and Moskva incidents Russia won't want any pro western Ukraine rump state causing chaos in waters near its newly formed states. It's also two fingers up at the west that not only did Russia decapitate Ukrainian military, annexation of regions, landlocked Ukraine but as a bonus achieved the link up to Transnistria and Gagauzia which also allows Russia to be a position to put pressure on Moldova and annexation if the west wants to continue its game.

the last 10 secs "Odessa" Geran-2 dive

https://t.me/intelslava/37943


TOS clearing the way from ukr0-hai hordes
https://t.me/intelslava/37978



Correction facility trucks with Wagner recruits.
https://t.me/intelslava/37959

d_taddei2 wrote:

I would say Odessa and Nikolaev will be liberated. Transnistria and Gagauzia have waited far too long to reunite with Russia and by not liberating These two regions in Ukraine would not only be a betrayal and complete let down by Russia and Russia would lose face with Odessa, Nikolaev, gagauzia,Transnistria, populations especially the latter who not only fought a war over the matter but also been living in limbo for decades now there is light at the end of the tunnel the reunited process is now within its grasp it would be bad news if Russia was to walk away and abandon them when they are this close. And I think Russia will want to seal off Ukraine from the sea, after snake island, and Moskva incidents Russia won't want any pro western Ukraine rump state causing chaos in waters near its newly formed states. It's also two fingers up at the west that not only did Russia decapitate Ukrainian military, annexation of regions, landlocked Ukraine but as a bonus achieved the link up to Transnistria and Gagauzia which also allows Russia to be a position to put pressure on Moldova and annexation if the west wants to continue its game.

not Ukraine but NATO in the matter of fact.  Once Turkey goes out of NATO it wont be NATO internal lake anymore...

Mark Sleboda said on a Sputnik interview that the biggest concern for NATO jumping is a move on Odessa. They might be tempted. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

Taking Odessa is going to be very provocative even for Russia. It is the only real prize left. I'm glad Russia is bulking up with reserves. But it has to get on with it. Why leave it dangling out there ?