Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

Hole wrote:Yes. These should be regular volunteers.

Some people claim that the official target of 300.000 soldiers in this small mobilization effort will be surpassed. There are a lot of extra volunteers showing up and it seems the military isn´t turning them away.

Hole wrote:
It´s more likely that in a few years manned attack helis will only use stuff like Izd. 305 + Vikhr or other ATGM´s in the same class while the use of unguided rockets against infantry will be delegated to heli drones. At least against near-peer enemies.

Sujoy wrote:Russian fighter jets operating over Anti Access/ Area Denial environment in Ukraine must be fitted with MAWS, towed decoy and RF decoys.

franco wrote:

You keep forgetting the prime purpose of the SMO... destroy the Ukrainian military. They got together 45,000 for the Kherson counter attack and took a beating. They got 50,000 together for the Kharkov counter attack, taking heavy losses but some success so they have apparently brought down reserves from Kiev to help. Saves the Russian army from having to go look for them.

Tolstoy wrote:Not necessary. Russian fighter pilots are better trained than say your Indian pilots. Moreover, Russian space based assets are very extensive and can easily pick up enemy movement.

As you have already noticed no country not even the US can afford to fight against Russia directly. This is not what you guys face where several EU countries, US will support China and Pakistan if India tries to invade those countries.

thegopnik wrote:Can someone give me a quick run down on the May 2 2014 Odessa massacre?  https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/397060747 Did Russia intervene in Crimea from having a similar incident like that happen again?

All these MOD statements about "hundreds of fighters killed" do not add up to getting pushed out of Kharkov

If it were true, the Ukrainians would not have been able to stage any offensive at all after April

thegopnik wrote:Can someone give me a quick run down on the May 2 2014 Odessa massacre?  https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/397060747 Did Russia intervene in Crimea from having a similar incident like that happen again?

limb wrote:

Exactly. This sounds like the excuse that the raid and retreat around kiev permanently pinned down and destroyed ukrainian troops which would make donbass much easier to take. Well, what a lie that was.

Werewolf wrote:That could be very much be true and quite easy to implement, but only if the decision makers would take that into account. Currently the results of using Attack Helicopters and S-80 unguided rockets as light artillery seems to be very easy and very low risk, so that might be a deciding factor to not urge such development. The other factor is a Helicopter drone that could carry a big enough payload of unguided rockets needs to be a certain size and would cost a lot more than what is already used. We will probably see something like the BAS-200 heli-drone will be plausible.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

limb wrote:

Exactly

This Stalin

Werewolf wrote:

Hole wrote:
It´s more likely that in a few years manned attack helis will only use stuff like Izd. 305 + Vikhr or other ATGM´s in the same class while the use of unguided rockets against infantry will be delegated to heli drones. At least against near-peer enemies.

That could be very much be true and quite easy to implement, but only if the decision makers would take that into account. Currently the results of using Attack Helicopters and S-80 unguided rockets as light artillery seems to be very easy and very low risk, so that might be a deciding factor to not urge such development. The other factor is a Helicopter drone that could carry a big enough payload of unguided rockets needs to be a certain size and would cost a lot more than what is already used. We will probably see something like the BAS-200 heli-drone will be plausible.

mnztr wrote:
If you are just gonna use it like a dump truck would it not be easier and way cheaper to use a short takeoff turboprop plane? It could carry far more payload then a helo drone.

kvs wrote:

Hole wrote:

Excellent map and I think makes the Russian plan apparent.   Anchor the first layer which ties Crimea to Russia and liberates the Donbass
and Kherson.   Then proceed to the yellow zone with the rear secured.

kvs wrote:Excellent map and I think makes the Russian plan apparent.   Anchor the first layer which ties Crimea to Russia and liberates the Donbass
and Kherson.   Then proceed to the yellow zone with the rear secured.

Backman wrote:Alex M. from the Duran said on his program that there is another peace proposal floating around in Saudi. Something about Russia talking the 4 regions but Ukraine keeping Odessa. And the EU is warming up to deals like this.

It seems to me to be highly unlikely but you never know. It's a useless deal to me. Russia needs a 300 kilometer buffer. Period.

d_taddei2 wrote:

I would say Odessa and Nikolaev will be liberated. Transnistria and Gagauzia have waited far too long to reunite with Russia and by not liberating These two regions in Ukraine would not only be a betrayal and complete let down by Russia and Russia would lose face with Odessa, Nikolaev, gagauzia,Transnistria, populations especially the latter who not only fought a war over the matter but also been living in limbo for decades now there is light at the end of the tunnel the reunited process is now within its grasp it would be bad news if Russia was to walk away and abandon them when they are this close. And I think Russia will want to seal off Ukraine from the sea, after snake island, and Moskva incidents Russia won't want any pro western Ukraine rump state causing chaos in waters near its newly formed states. It's also two fingers up at the west that not only did Russia decapitate Ukrainian military, annexation of regions, landlocked Ukraine but as a bonus achieved the link up to Transnistria and Gagauzia which also allows Russia to be a position to put pressure on Moldova and annexation if the west wants to continue its game.