Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

If russia does a "tactical regrouping" from liman, where would the next defensive line be?

BliTTzZ wrote:I have been following this SMO thread for a long ago... but just decided to write this message for you, Arkanghelsk.
I have never seen in my life such a whining and crying adult man. You're constantly whining, crying, cursing about incompetent high military Russian command, stupid Russian politicians and other.
Constructive and well thought criticism is always welcome. But it is hard to judge in the middle of a war where you have so little information and awareness about what is actually happening.
You are just a little whining bitch. That's disgusting. I wonder if you're an adult at all.

Unlike you, he is one of the best posters on this forum.

Hole wrote:

Mir wrote:

Hole wrote:

Lithuania transported Ukraine 50 armored vehicles M113

That ammount will last 3 to 4 days max.

50 second hand trucks would have been a lot cheaper.

Maybe they (Ukros) should ask another american puppet (Daesh/IS) about their car dealer. They received a lot of Toyotas from all over the world.

Perhaps posted here before - great cartoon though.

famschopman wrote:

Isos wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:The Pentagon announced the allocation of a new tranche of "military aid" to Ukraine for $1.1 billion
The package includes:
 18 MLRS HIMARS
150 SUVs
radars
UAV countermeasure systems

That's worth 10-20 million at best, depending on what type of radar they send.

Certainly not 1.1 billion.

Not sure what radars and countermeasure systems cost but with the following two you are almost at 170Mio.

92Mio for HIMARS, 18 * 5.1Mio
75Mio for SUVs 150 * 500k (assuming a MaxxPro)

And don't forget 10% for the big guy.

They aren't sending new stuff. Actually like already showed with HARMs from the 80s batches they send the very first units produced.

Even if they are brand new 1.1 bilion is huge for such low amount and even with a 10% corruption rate.

flamming_python wrote:Good lord, they are multiplying

Remember the rules. Don´t feed them after midnight. No contact with water. What was the third one? 



Leaders of the 4 Republics/Regions are in Moscow.

https://thesaker.is/quick-news-update-open-thread/
Quote: This European inability to even mention who the obvious culprit is means that the pain dial on the EU will have to be turned way higher before these delusional and spineless lemmings come back even a basic grasp of reality.  Instead of the Ukraine becoming Europe, Europe has become the Ukraine.

Full report, detailed and cross-checked on today's fighting. Defeat has been avoided for another day, we go from one crisis to the next one. Krasny Liman beat off all the attacks and threats of encirclement but in Kupyansk things look grim. However help has arrived and maybe there's more on the way

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/28/parte-de-guerra-28-09-2022-kupyansk-y-krasny-lyman-informe-especial/

JohninMK wrote:Clipped from my post in the Russian gas thread as I know some don't venture there and it is quite telling. My words

OK, so how about this?

Now look at this, the military must hate OSINT, it is the flight pattern from ads-b.nl of several MH-60H tracking over the spot at which NS2 was damaged but on Sept 13th. Up to 6 were tracked. For those not aware the MH-60H is the version that has the magnetic detector, perfect for precisely locating an oil pipeline and were probably from the USS Kearsarge air wing which was still in the Baltic (it left today) following the BALTOPS22 exercise in June.




Chapter and verse is here

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/whodunnit-facts-related-to-the-sabotage-attack-on-the-nord-stream-pipelines.html#more

EDIT

Interestingly when I tried to put both that exact post first and then a gentler version on https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/ they were both bounced. They didn't want their readers to see it. I am an evil Russian troll there by the way. Same name there, see this thread for a smile or two https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-jet-tracks-russian-forces-in-occupied-ukraine/

This information is consistently deleted in Germany and elsewhere in the west. Even on more alternative websites.

The pipelines being destroyed are the best thing ever

Sure it was easy money, but that's also the reason there was never an attempt to truly diversify away from selling Gas to Europe

With Nord Stream dead in water, literally and figuratively

Russia will have to redirect the gas flows , and also truly diversify away from raw materials sales

Now the sale of LNG will be of utmost importance

But guess what.. the blue water navy is 20 years away from actually coming to being

And the LNG trade is going to be needed way sooner than 2050

I doubt they factored this happening when they laid those pipelines

Probably they really thought they'd sell this gas and Yankees would allow Putin to build up the coffers and lay a blue water navy gently and delicately in 30 years

Lmfao another one for the books

Vanessa Beeley
Forwarded from Russian MFA
Foreign Ministry’s statement on the referendums in the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions

On September 23-27, the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions held referendums on their accession to the Russian Federation. The results of the voting have been tabulated, with the overwhelming majority of voters supporting unification with Russia – 99.23 percent in the DPR, 98.42 percent in the LPR, 93.11 percent in the Zaporozhye Region and 87.05 percent in the Kherson Region. The turnout was as follows: 97.5 percent in the DPR, 92.6 percent in the LPR, 85.4 in the Zaporozhye Region and 76.9 percent in the Kherson Region.

Despite the provocations of the Kiev regime that gave criminal orders to massively shell areas where civilians gather and civilian facilities, people were not afraid to come to the polls and express their will. The results of the plebiscite speak for themselves – the residents of Donbass, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions do not want to return to their former life. They have made a conscious and free choice in favour of Russia.

In fact, they had no alternative left. Far from all people in Ukraine acquiesced and accepted the coup in Kiev in February 2014 that brought to power radical nationalist forces that unleashed a bloody fight against those that would not accept it in the southeast of the country. The signing of the Minsk agreements approved by a UN Security Council resolution did not rescue the situation. As Ukrainian representatives are cynically saying now, Ukraine was never going to honour them from the very start and was preparing for war. For eight years, the population of Donbass was subjected to persistent and cynical attempts to destroy them. The decision of the residents of Donbass, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions to seek protection from Russia was a natural result of the inhumane policy pursued by the Kiev regime.

The referendums took place in full conformity with the standards and principles of international law. The people of Donbass and the south of Ukraine exercised their lawful right to self-determination in accordance with the UN Charter, the 1966 international human rights covenants, the 1975 OCSE Helsinki Final Act, and the verdict of the UN International Court of Justice on Kosovo on July 22, 2010. The latter confirmed that the unilateral proclamation of independence by a part of a state does not violate any norms of international law.

International observers from Italy, Germany, Venezuela, Latvia and other countries (overall, 133 people) monitored the course of the referendums and recognised them as legitimate. We are grateful to foreign experts, bloggers, journalists and representatives of public organisations for their courage, integrity and objectivity.

In the near future, we will enter a critical stage in our joint efforts to translate into life the desire of the residents of the DPR, LPR, and the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to be together with Russia.

https://antimaydan.info/2022/09/panika_v_ukrainskoj_presse_privodim_vyderzhki.html


Finally, some news of troops and equipment being sent to Belarus in large numbers. Like it or not, its been decided by the West that Belarus is a participant. Mass those troops and planes in Belarus and close that damn western border!!! And everyone can be home by the new year.

Interpret as you will, but it looks like Putin may be closer to achieving his aim of denazifying Ukraine and demilitarizing HATO than HATO would care to admit:

"The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send to Ukraine" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Intl&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1664346215

ucmvulcan wrote:Interpret as you will, but it looks like Putin may be closer to achieving his aim of denazifying Ukraine and demilitarizing HATO than HATO would care to admit:

"The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send to Ukraine" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Intl&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1664346215

CNBC is a business channel. The point of that story is: "American taxpayers your trillion dollars a year in "defense" spending is insufficient! Even in peacetime we need to be spending more!" More $$$ for the MIC, the lobbyists, the Deep State careerists, and the politicians.

calripson wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:Interpret as you will, but it looks like Putin may be closer to achieving his aim of denazifying Ukraine and demilitarizing HATO than HATO would care to admit:

"The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send to Ukraine" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Intl&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1664346215

CNBC is a business channel. The point of that story is: "American taxpayers your trillion dollars a year in "defense" spending is insufficient! Even in peacetime we need to be spending more!" More $$$ for the MIC, the lobbyists, the Deep State careerists, and the politicians.

1. You are right, they are a business channel
2. You are right, they are a corporate state propaganda channel and yes this report is certainly used to justify the continuation of the scam
3. However, I think its possible that its hinting at a truth, namely that Russia, and its seven month grind in Ukraine is eating up not only Warsaw Pact stockpiles but NATO.

Maybe 4:

Its possible Putin is using old Cold War One surplus because he wants to bankrupt the EU and US much like the 80s arms race crippled the Soviet economy. If you are constantly building arms and funding weapons you cannot fund social welfare programs and that, along with surging food, car fuel, and energy bills, can lead to economic ruin and political collapse.

ucmvulcan wrote:

calripson wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:Interpret as you will, but it looks like Putin may be closer to achieving his aim of denazifying Ukraine and demilitarizing HATO than HATO would care to admit:

"The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send to Ukraine" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us-and-europe-are-running-out-of-weapons-to-send-to-ukraine.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Intl&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1664346215

CNBC is a business channel. The point of that story is: "American taxpayers your trillion dollars a year in "defense" spending is insufficient! Even in peacetime we need to be spending more!" More $$$ for the MIC, the lobbyists, the Deep State careerists, and the politicians.

1. You are right, they are a business channel
2. You are right, they are a corporate state propaganda channel and yes this report is certainly used to justify the continuation of the scam
3. However, I think its possible that its hinting at a truth, namely that Russia, and its seven month grind in Ukraine is eating up not only Warsaw Pact stockpiles but NATO.  

Maybe 4:

Its possible Putin is using old Cold War One surplus because he wants to bankrupt the EU and US much like the 80s arms race crippled the Soviet economy.  If you are constantly building arms and funding weapons you cannot fund social welfare programs and that, along with surging food, car fuel, and energy bills, can lead to economic ruin and political collapse.

Um, Russia's stockpiles are being eaten up too though.

billybatts91 wrote:

Um, Russia's stockpiles are being eaten up too though.

Not nearly as fast as NATO.  Keep in mind NATO swore Russia would be out of cruise missiles in March and Tanks by summer.  Turns out that was a hell of a lot of projection and nobody knows exactly what Russia has other than to say that Siberia is full of tank parks and bone yards for planes and knowing the toughness of Russian weaponry and the Soviet era principals that guided their development (be easy to manufacture, easy to maintain, and easy to operate) I think its safe to say that they have lots more weapons than the west and they have not really contributed all that  many weapons or troops to Ukraine.  Sure, gun barrels are probably an issue, but those are probably easy to mass produce and keep on hand.

The pipeline attack was an act of war against Switzerland (NS HQ) , Denmark , Germany and Russia.

There's no way that the men who set the explosives and did this attack will be allowed to live. In 2-3 months , there will most likely be an "accident" in the US Navy that will claim the lives of a few hundred servicemen.

ucmvulcan wrote:

Not nearly as fast as NATO.  Keep in mind NATO swore Russia would be out of cruise missiles in March and Tanks by summer.  Turns out that was a hell of a lot of projection and nobody knows exactly what Russia has other than to say that Siberia is full of tank parks and bone yards for planes and knowing the toughness of Russian weaponry and the Soviet era principals that guided their development (be easy to manufacture, easy to maintain, and easy to operate) I think its safe to say that they have lots more weapons than the west and they have not really contributed all that  many weapons or troops to Ukraine.  Sure, gun barrels are probably an issue, but those are probably easy to mass produce and keep on hand.

Apart from howitzers - NATO is yet to supply Ukraine with any meaningful equipment that would give them some advantage. ATGMs, APCs, drones, MRAPs, single digit wunderwaffe systems… yet, US didn’t even send M60 tanks from the storage. Or old mothballed M1s. They could flood Ukraine with reserve stocks, nothing so far.

What was used up? 155mm shells, HIMARS munitions, Javelin ATGMs? There’s more to NATO than that. They still don’t want to fully commit, but I must agree… they talk loud

But when we see M-60/M1/Leo-2 burning then yeah we can claim NATO stocks are being used up, so far nothing catastrophic for NATO, not yet that is

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Backman wrote:The pipeline attack was an act of war against Switzerland (NS HQ) , Denmark , Germany and Russia.

There's no way that the men who set the explosives and did this attack will be allowed to live. In 2-3 months , there will most likely be an "accident" in the US Navy that will claim the lives of a few hundred servicemen.

Well thats their problem

My question is does this mean Russia gas sales to Europe will be a a basic zero?

At least with nord stream 1, the sales volume was low but due to the high prices the revenue was higher

Now the sales will drop - Russia must build second lines into China and continue oil deals with Afghanistan , Pakistan, and India

LNG is an option but given the situation, there will be provocations on LNG and Oil tankers

What is the best solution to bypassing Ukraine for oil sales, and developing trade with other states not including the EU?

It seems a lot was bet on Europe

Backman wrote:The pipeline attack was an act of war against Switzerland (NS HQ) , Denmark , Germany and Russia.

There's no way that the men who set the explosives and did this attack will be allowed to live. In 2-3 months , there will most likely be an "accident" in the US Navy that will claim the lives of a few hundred servicemen.

Russians wouldn't even make a movie with that storyline let alone try it for real

sepheronx wrote:My response to the Duran.

It isn't that the US will go all or nothing for Ukraine. They also want to live to steal more from their own and others.  Instead, they are throwing shit all over the walls with veild threats in hopes to get a response from Russia so they can say "See, See, they threaten the world!" So they can pressure more nations to go against Russia to turn them into a pariah.  If they weren't scared, they would have engaged NK already.

Sometimes, people take far too seriously what some suite says up front.  Just keep watching what's happening behind the scenes.

What i don't understand is why the hell they are more scared and introspective about the idea of attacking Iran or North Korea than they are mainland Russia.

The world has already made its bet. They went with Russia on this one. It's too late. They can't change their mind now.

Big_Gazza wrote:

thegopnik wrote:

Dafuq? Why are you posting that shit?  Ukro propaganda garbage depicting russian commanders as being mongoloid/down syndrome autistics?????

SHAME

thegopnic is a 6th columnist cock sometimes. He can redeem himself by refraining from posting trash from Ukraine 4chan which is pretty much as low as you can go on the Internet. Once you are at Ukraine 4chan, you can't go any lower.