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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
Podlodka77 Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:17 pm
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:lyle6 wrote:What a moron. Everyone knows that if you kill your enemies, they win. And massacring enemy forces in industrial quantities for negligible losses is simply just plain double bad wrong, hence why Ukraine is winning, and biglyWerewolf wrote:
Shoigu was probably listening to critics and was going from door to door to bunch of arms chair generals to implement their Art of War strategies.
According to the fanboys this is all part of the plan and this is all fine, how dare you be realistic and accuse Russian leadership of incompetence.
for real tho anyone who defend this utter cluster fudge of a failure on the russians side is just a boot licking fanboy at this point, there is no defending this.
I think it goes beyond incompetence. One has to question if key people have been compromised.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:19 pm
The only explanation is that they don't care losing the territory
But then all north Lughansk is exposed and everything they did is a waste
Which comes full circle to say, this is not intentional and is indeed a fuckup
And Wagners operation in Bakhmut doesn't make sense when the army is getting pushed out of Kharkov
It's like there is no communication between units and forces
You have Wagner attacking an area who's north flank is being encircled simultaneously
So what is the point of attacking bakhmut, when all of north lughansk is about to be retaken
Ergo the area north of seversk, Slavyansk, and Severodonetsk is disappearing and these clowns are attacking a city that's irrelevant if the severskiy donets positions collapse
But then all north Lughansk is exposed and everything they did is a waste
Which comes full circle to say, this is not intentional and is indeed a fuckup
And Wagners operation in Bakhmut doesn't make sense when the army is getting pushed out of Kharkov
It's like there is no communication between units and forces
You have Wagner attacking an area who's north flank is being encircled simultaneously
So what is the point of attacking bakhmut, when all of north lughansk is about to be retaken
Ergo the area north of seversk, Slavyansk, and Severodonetsk is disappearing and these clowns are attacking a city that's irrelevant if the severskiy donets positions collapse
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:22 pm
Podlodka77 wrote:Garry, Alamo, Sepheronx, Hole, Big Gazza and the rest of you "fanboys", it's time to surrender - we lost. The whole of Russia and the Russian leadership are fools and are heading for disaster, Arkhangelsk, Seig, Limb, Cavaet, Azi (the guy who called me a while ago in a message), as well as a few more new retards, are telling us that.
Lol now I never said the Russians lost but that's the problem with fanboys like you rather than accept valid criticism and see you choose to deny any ounce that exists and let the problem grow and grow and grow and grow until it causes a massive collapse.
In short your ignorance to reality makes you blind to it. Stick your head in the dirt and sing lalalala all you want, doesn't change a thing.
A reasonable man would go "Okay okay we made mistakes, lets correct these mistakes as not to repeat them"
A clueless man goes "There is no problem how dare you, criticize us!"
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:24 pm
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Lol now I never said the Russians lost but that's the problem with fanboys like you rather than accept valid criticism and see you choose to deny any ounce that exists and let the problem grow and grow and grow and grow until it causes a massive collapse.
In short your ignorance to reality makes you blind to it. Stick your head in the dirt and sing lalalala all you want, doesn't change a thing.
A reasonable man would go "Okay okay we made mistakes, lets correct these mistakes as not to repeat them"
A clueless man goes "There is no problem how dare you, criticize us!"
Normally I categorically disagreed with everything you posted
But I agree 100% , this ignorance has compounded the failures
This is a danger to the effort of the army
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No...we don't say that Russia is losing the war. We just say that Russia is not doing enough to minimalize losses!Podlodka77 wrote:Garry, Alamo, Sepheronx, Hole, Big Gazza and the rest of you "fanboys", it's time to surrender - we lost. The whole of Russia and the Russian leadership are fools and are heading for disaster, Arkhangelsk, Seig, Limb, Cavaet, Azi (the guy who called me a while ago in a message), as well as a few more new retards, are telling us that.
They could bomb the shit out of the Ukrainians with aviation bombing constantly the rally points near the crossings. Or they could simply destroy the crossing and crush the enemy trapped on the other riverside.
But but but...Russia is only conducting deep dive attacks at frontline, they don't strike behind the frontline...NOT A SINGLE ATTACK since April! Especially with this weather and low clouds, optical trackers cannot track the aircraft or only with difficulty. Radar systems can easily be destroyed. Tu-22M could bomb the shit out of Ukrainians without endangering russian frontline soldiers. But they don't even try! The only time the Tu-22M were used was in the siege of Azovstal.
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They lost dozens of villages in a few days in areas part of Russia in a few days. What do they think it will look like in 4-5 days? They gave up easily territory hundreds and thousands of Russians died for (all combined...Russia, LPR, DPR, Wagner) to fuc*ing Nazis. What is 1st GTA doing???Arkanghelsk wrote:The only explanation is that they don't care losing the territory
But then all north Lughansk is exposed and everything they did is a waste
Which comes full circle to say, this is not intentional and is indeed a fuckup
And Wagners operation in Bakhmut doesn't make sense when the army is getting pushed out of Kharkov
It's like there is no communication between units and forces
You have Wagner attacking an area who's north flank is being encircled simultaneously
So what is the point of attacking bakhmut, when all of north lughansk is about to be retaken
Ergo the area north of seversk, Slavyansk, and Severodonetsk is disappearing and these clowns are attacking a city that's irrelevant if the severskiy donets positions collapse
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
caveat emptor Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:30 pm
That works both ways, unless you think that Ukrainians are shooting confetti. Russian forces deployed there are in a semi-encircled positions and i would assume their losses will grow substantially. Also Ukrainians can hit supply lines from Kremennaya now.GarryB wrote:
You mentioned allied forces repelling attacks against Liman multiple times... so what exactly the problem... let them fixate on that place and lose men and material trying to take it... this is snake island all over again...
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Armchair Field Marshalls that rely on 2 days old info from OSINT sources think they are smarter then the Russian General Staff who monitors the situation in real-time.lyle6 wrote:What a moron. Everyone knows that if you kill your enemies, they win. And massacring enemy forces in industrial quantities for negligible losses is simply just plain double bad wrong, hence why Ukraine is winning, and biglyWerewolf wrote:
Shoigu was probably listening to critics and was going from door to door to bunch of arms chair generals to implement their Art of War strategies.
If there had been Twitter during the Kursk battle back in the GPW...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:33 pm
Hole wrote:
Armchair Field Marshalls that rely on 2 days old info from OSINT sources think they are smarter then the Russian General Staff who monitors the situation in real-time.
If there had been Twitter during the Kursk battle back in the GPW...
A lot of those generals were executed for incompetence
No Twitter needed
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Do you really compare the strength of Ukronazi Forces with the Wehrmacht?Hole wrote:If there had been Twitter during the Kursk battle back in the GPW...lyle6 wrote:What a moron. Everyone knows that if you kill your enemies, they win. And massacring enemy forces in industrial quantities for negligible losses is simply just plain double bad wrong, hence why Ukraine is winning, and biglyWerewolf wrote:
Shoigu was probably listening to critics and was going from door to door to bunch of arms chair generals to implement their Art of War strategies.
If Russia has problems with Ukraine, how could they last a week against the whole NATO without using nukes?
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All current evidence points to Liman turning into a disaster unless the Russians can pull something out of their asses and do it quickly.
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Referendum: Kherson Region Votes For Accession To Russian Federation
With 100% of votes counted in the breakaway region, 96.75% of residents have voted for Kherson to join Russia, according to Izvestia.
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Referendum: Kherson Region Votes For Accession To Russian FederationWith 100% of votes counted in the breakaway region, 96.75% of residents have voted for Kherson to join Russia, according to Izvestia.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:42 pm
Hole wrote:Armchair Field Marshalls that rely on 2 days old info from OSINT sources think they are smarter then the Russian General Staff who monitors the situation in real-time.lyle6 wrote:What a moron. Everyone knows that if you kill your enemies, they win. And massacring enemy forces in industrial quantities for negligible losses is simply just plain double bad wrong, hence why Ukraine is winning, and biglyWerewolf wrote:
Shoigu was probably listening to critics and was going from door to door to bunch of arms chair generals to implement their Art of War strategies.
If there had been Twitter during the Kursk battle back in the GPW...
right right and remind me how many officers they had to kill how many MILLIONS they lost before they got their heads outta their asses before Kursk
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:44 pm
Serberus wrote:All current evidence points to Liman turning into a disaster unless the Russians can pull something out of their asses and do it quickly.
Some positive news
With 100% of votes counted in the breakaway region, 96.75% of residents have voted for Kherson to join Russia, according to Izvestia.
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Russia needs to deploy the reserve forces across the boarders, push Ukraine back out past the river, and then hold these positions until the new forces they are mobilizing are ready.
This is what they can do now and this is completely possible.
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Absolutely correct! Ukraine suffers tremendous losses in the direction of Liman, if Russia can hold the frontline it would be the turning point in the Kharkov and Slawyansk direction. If Ukraine captures Liman they can entrench itself here and delay any russian operation and success in the eastern theatre of war for months.SeigSoloyvov wrote:Serberus wrote:All current evidence points to Liman turning into a disaster unless the Russians can pull something out of their asses and do it quickly.
Some positive news
With 100% of votes counted in the breakaway region, 96.75% of residents have voted for Kherson to join Russia, according to Izvestia.
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Russia needs to deploy the reserve forces across the boarders, push Ukraine back out past the river, and then hold these positions until the new forces they are mobilizing are ready.
This is what they can do now and this is completely possible.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Serberus wrote:All current evidence points to Liman turning into a disaster unless the Russians can pull something out of their asses and do it quickly.
Some positive news
With 100% of votes counted in the breakaway region, 96.75% of residents have voted for Kherson to join Russia, according to Izvestia.
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Russia needs to deploy the reserve forces across the boarders, push Ukraine back out past the river, and then hold these positions until the new forces they are mobilizing are ready.
This is what they can do now and this is completely possible.
I agree. Apparently akhmat forces are in Kherson. Why? Vdv is holding ok there. They shouldve helpsd BARS in k. Liman. There its also kore conducive to their expertise in cqc and forest combat, not open steppes.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
caveat emptor Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:54 pm
It would be interesting to add up all numbers of dead and wounded claimed up by MoD briefings. I suspect numbers will run over 100k dead and that many wounded. And this is only for long range arty strikes, missile and AF strikes. It's clear that numbers are exaggerated, as Ukrainians would be left without army by now and we clearly see on the ground, that is not the case. Briefings are part of information warfare, as well, same like Ukrainians claim that they've killed who knows how many Russian troops. With the exception that Ukrainian exaggeration is an order of magnitude worse.GunshipDemocracy wrote:
not necessarily wrongly estimated before operation. But now the whole nato training capabilities are working 24/7 to train the arm new meat for grinder. There is a constant supply of weapons ammunition and weaponry. With current Russian forces it might end up like Zerg rush in Starcraft against too few space marines.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:56 pm
Azi wrote:Absolutely correct! Ukraine suffers tremendous losses in the direction of Liman, if Russia can hold the frontline it would be the turning point in the Kharkov and Slawyansk direction. If Ukraine captures Liman they can entrench itself here and delay any russian operation and success in the eastern theatre of war for months.SeigSoloyvov wrote:Serberus wrote:All current evidence points to Liman turning into a disaster unless the Russians can pull something out of their asses and do it quickly.
Some positive news
With 100% of votes counted in the breakaway region, 96.75% of residents have voted for Kherson to join Russia, according to Izvestia.
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Russia needs to deploy the reserve forces across the boarders, push Ukraine back out past the river, and then hold these positions until the new forces they are mobilizing are ready.
This is what they can do now and this is completely possible.
In reality, Russia has a very very good opportunity here if I was in command, I'd order a blikzkerg along the river from the reserve armies.
Trap all those Ukie forces on one side and just bury them all by using the river behind you as a natural defensive point you made it hard for Ukie units on one side to support the other etc the rear line forces will not be able to save their buddies as they will need to cross the river which I would simply order 24/7 air support to target any pantoon bridges making crossing impossible thus the Ukie forces on their side couldn't do anything to save their tens of thousands of buddies.
But will russia do that....naw
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
ucmvulcan Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:56 pm
Hole wrote:Armchair Field Marshalls that rely on 2 days old info from OSINT sources think they are smarter then the Russian General Staff who monitors the situation in real-time.lyle6 wrote:
If there had been Twitter during the Kursk battle back in the GPW...
Oh noes, the wehrmacht has advanced almost a dozen kilometers on one salient and several hundred t-34s are knocked out. Zhukov is gonna cost us this war. Stalin should go with Rotmistrov because if not the Germans will be in Moscow
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How did the Donbas militia win the first 2 wars ?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
ucmvulcan Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:02 am
And going back to another war on another continent in another century. Oh Meade, how did you let the Confederates escape. Bobby Lee is gonna dig in on the other side of the river. Surely the war is gonna be lost and Lee will soon be in Washington.*
*For those not in the US, Meade was the Union commander at Gettysburg and his forces opened a can of whoop ass on the confederates and stopped Lee from doing his thing. He did allow the CSA army to escape to Virginia but he had two very good reasons, no 3, foe doing so:
1. He had express orders to stay between Lee and Washington
2. Driving rain was making pursuit difficult
3. Lee was hoping Meade would pursue as his forces had dug in.
*For those not in the US, Meade was the Union commander at Gettysburg and his forces opened a can of whoop ass on the confederates and stopped Lee from doing his thing. He did allow the CSA army to escape to Virginia but he had two very good reasons, no 3, foe doing so:
1. He had express orders to stay between Lee and Washington
2. Driving rain was making pursuit difficult
3. Lee was hoping Meade would pursue as his forces had dug in.
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ucmvulcan wrote:Hole wrote:
Armchair Field Marshalls that rely on 2 days old info from OSINT sources think they are smarter then the Russian General Staff who monitors the situation in real-time.
If there had been Twitter during the Kursk battle back in the GPW...
Oh noes, the wehrmacht has advanced almost a dozen kilometers on one salient and several hundred t-34s are knocked out. Zhukov is gonna cost us this war. Stalin should go with Rotmistrov because if not the Germans will be in Moscow
You are talking to the ppl who would have an issue with finding Kursk on the map
Give them some hints, starting from the country perhaps
Oh wait ... It does not exist, and our brilliant chief of general armchair staff already presented again the core problems with understanding his own (?) native language and finding sarcasm, no matter that it bits his arse
Maybe a map, or better a globe, with a red dot or something?
ucmvulcan wrote:And going back to another war on another continent in another century. Oh Meade, how did you let the Confederates escape. Bobby Lee is gonna dig in on the other side of the river. Surely the war is gonna be lost and Lee will soon be in Washington.*
*For those not in the US, Meade was the Union commander at Gettysburg and his forces opened a can of whoop ass on the confederates and stopped Lee from doing his thing. He did allow the CSA army to escape to Virginia but he had two very good reasons, no 3, foe doing so:
1. He had express orders to stay between Lee and Washington
2. Driving rain was making pursuit difficult
3. Lee was hoping Meade would pursue as his forces had dug in.
That is de facto a great example.
The biggest problem with the Union commanders was their devotion to "conquer the territory", while nobody really cared about killing the opforces and making strategic hits to crucial infrastructure and capabilities.
It took a while for Lincoln to finally find Grant, who not only understood that perfectly well, unleashing a dirty, bloody and unfair warfare, but finally succeded with small gains like blocking the salt supply to the Conederates. That small thing deprived the army from crucial part of food supply, leading to increasing non-battle related casualties, due to desinteria.
Oh my oh my oh my, how the history likes to repeat itself ... Still, who am I to suggest the others that they should learn a bit before opening the mouth??
No no no, just open it, and cry as loud as you can!
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Russia needs to deploy the reserve forces across the boarders, push Ukraine back out past the river, and then hold these positions until the new forces they are mobilizing are ready.
This is what they can do now and this is completely possible.
Why are you strategists not in some military academy and give lectures on how to wage and win wars?
There is a saying - an empty kettle is always the loudest. Evident from the most frequent posters on this thread.
Most people shut up if they don't have anything valuable to add or don't know more than there is, but some of you are just unhinged shit talkers.
I know that I don't have the knowledge or character to have any brilliant ideas how to lead the troops and war against NATO.
You and many others seem to have some special training and gathered knowledge for years how to win WW3.
I am amazed by so much wisdom and power to see always three steps ahead of the game.
Edit: PS. If you wouldn't have claimed the claims you made about HIMARS vs SMERCH', then you wouldn't look so foolish with every claim you make. People tried to humble you, but your arrogance towers above human decency.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26
caveat emptor Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:08 am
We don't have to go that far in past, mind you. Pavel Grachev's incompetence was legendary and he was even a Minister of Defence at one point.Hole wrote:Armchair Field Marshalls that rely on 2 days old info from OSINT sources think they are smarter then the Russian General Staff who monitors the situation in real-time.
If there had been Twitter during the Kursk battle back in the GPW...
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Serberus wrote:All current evidence points to Liman turning into a disaster unless the Russians can pull something out of their asses and do it quickly.
Some positive news
With 100% of votes counted in the breakaway region, 96.75% of residents have voted for Kherson to join Russia, according to Izvestia.
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Russia needs to deploy the reserve forces across the boarders, push Ukraine back out past the river, and then hold these positions until the new forces they are mobilizing are ready.
This is what they can do now and this is completely possible.
Hence why I've been asking why the "1 million strong" Russian Armed Forces with 100K or so in Ukraine (and 6k losses) can't find another 50K professional soldiers to rapidly deploy from somewhere in Russia. And having the need to mobilize 300K... something doesn't add up.