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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

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    Post  billybatts91 Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:03 pm

    LMFS wrote:The plot for Western escalation becoming more obvious:

    Intel Republic
    ⚡BREAKING NEWS⚡

    Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

    If that happens those forces would get nuked as well.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:13 pm

    $14,000 a week, tax free is a pretty strong attraction especially if, on your past experience, you believe you are invincible, plus you believe the propaganda.


    The United States has its own mobilization: there is a massive recruitment of mercenaries for "work" in Ukraine

    They pay double the rate for fighting in Ukraine, and they are looking for those who are well-versed in Soviet (!) small arms and have combat experience in Eastern Europe.

    They pay up to $ 2 thousand a day, which indicates that "specialists" are recruited for high-risk tasks.

    https://t.me/CyberspecNews/9427

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:17 pm

    Tomorrow, September 30, at 15.00, the Kremlin will host the signing ceremony of agreements on the accession of new territories to Russia.

    preparations at red square underway
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:17 pm

    Keep your head clear bro!!! I never said that Russians are stupid and that I love Nazism...what kind of BULLSHIT are you writing here?

    You are proudly claiming to be team doomsayer... team cynic and the rest of us are simple fanboys who don't understand the real world is more complex than we imagine... whether you actually said it or not I am past caring... you picked your team.

    And it is a team that says the suffering of Russians in the Ukraine is putins fault.

    Doesn't matter your feelings about nazis, you are protecting them.

    You are not even a Russian and writing as a armchair general from New Zealand with no slavic roots.

    Now you are saying my anglosaxon blood makes me a nazi?

    My grandpa fought against Nazism in war and I hate them as depp as I can.

    You obviously hate him too if you think the problem here is with the Russian military finishing the job they started.

    I love Russia...they are brothers to me..I'm slavic and more connected to Russia than you will ever be! Sorry for being so rude!!!

    I wont apologise till you snap out of it... like I said... you need a damn good slap and I am sure your grandpa would be first in line... just for your own good...

    The only thing I wrote is that...Russia has manpower problems or the general staff is acting not really good. That's all!

    They would have man power problems if they wanted to fight the way you want them to fight.

    The way they are currently fighting... which is successful by the way... they do have enough.

    Of course they are no perfect and mistakes will be made but give it a few days or a week and those mistakes turn out to be bullshit propaganda... the fact that you don't notice the pattern is odd... I have some respect for paid trolls... everyone has to pay the bills... but people trolling that are not paid are stupid doing it for free.


    All my sources are PRO RUSSIAN sources and I'm in dozens of telegram channels!!! So it's otherwise...you are telling me that russian are stupid and they don't know what they are writing.

    There is a proverb about five blind men taken to experience an elephant... one touches its trunk and says an elephant is like a snake, another touches its leg and says an elephant is like a tree, a third man touches its tail and says an elephant is like a rope, while the fourth man touches its ear and says it is like a giant leaf. The last man touches its side and says it is enormous like a barn.

    They are all telling the truth but are any of them actually right?

    No one on the front line knows the whole picture and had it crossed your mind that if they were saying it was a trap to get the Orcs to over extend their lines that the Orcs might be a bit more cautious and not over extend so much?

    But no... the Russian military are dumb censored who are corrupt and inept and only make mistakes... and have been outplayed by the west... despite all evidence so far showing that is not the case.

    These sources are partially more connected to soldiers on the frontline than the general staff.

    Obviously the guys on the ground keep everything all secret from the general staff... it gives more impact to their moaning on the internet...

    Or do they have contacts in western intel who tell them what to say to make the Russians look bad so they don't get banned from social media?

    And here you show once again that you have no idea about strategy and tactics!

    I never claimed to, but the tactics they seem to be using are better explained by what I am saying, because to fit what you are claiming the entire general staff of the Russian military have to be morons.

    Tell that to the relatives of the killed and tortured civilians in the Kharkov region! And please exactly as you write it here!

    What I would say to them is that their countrymen are bastards and that the entire west supports their actions and that Russia and Russian soldiers are risking life and limb to help you is something you should be keeping in mind. Those censored in Washington want you to blame Putin and the Russians for this but the US has spent more these last few years to create this conflict than they have spent to cure cancer or solve issues of poverty in their own country.

    With the new referendums Russia now has a mandate to protect those areas as their own and when they get back to your territory if you haven't already gotten a Russian passport you will get the opportunity to join the Russian Federation too and help bring justice and revenge to the nazis in the western dominated parts of your country so horribly perverted and tarnished.

    Revenge will happen while they continue to fight and justice will happen to those captured alive.

    What a bad comparison! Putin and Co can do as much for the rain as we do, but Putin and Shoigu can do something for the army and its tactics. We saw 50,000 Russian soldiers at Vostok 2022 and at exactly the same time there was the regrouping in Kharkov and hundreds of civilians were being killed, kidnapped and tortured by Nazis. People who believed in Russia!

    Are you a moron?

    Sending troops... many of which are still in training (doing an exercise does not mean you are combat ready... it is part of the process getting combat ready, but it does not mean you are ready to act against a real enemy yet)... their tactics are still working so there is no value in changing them now by throwing troops onto the fire.

    It does not make sense with the current tactics to send more troops... they rely on mobility... we saw gas guzzling T-80s getting left behind... sending in more troops just makes everything worse... more supply columns to attack and shell, more troops on the ground to charge... Artillery is still working.

    I don't want to offend anyone here in the forum, but if bad news comes in then everyone here should be man enough to accept it and not insult the courier.

    That is the problem... team coward go to pieces every claim of victory by the enemy... and most of the time it turns out to be bullshit but that doesn't seem to stop you with the sour censored faced bullshit.

    Your problem is you go to pieces at any news that is not a victory for Russia or Russians.

    Ark sounds like he is on a fucking roller coaster... sometimes Russia is kicking their arses... and next they are the dumbest idiots around and if they don't buck up their ideas they are going to lose this.

    .... they are not going to lose this.

    I was also very often wrong with my estimates and I stand by it... I thought, for example, that the war would last a maximum of 2 weeks and then the Ukraine would collapse. I was completely wrong there! But it's not a mistake to expect the same from others on the forum instead of being confronted with personal insults and lame excuses.

    And it is easy to be wrong when you are not presented with all the facts which is like most of the time... Knowing all the criminal activity involved on the Orc side there is a large portion of that force for which surrender is not an option so two weeks is ridiculous... but then I was wrong too... I didn't think Putin would attack in the first place... as far as I was concerned this is a Ukrainian civil war, but attitudes have changed and many Ukrainians clearly don't want to be Ukrainian any more... Kiev and the west have made it a dirty word for them.

    Now that we know the orcs were going to start their attack on the 8th of march then I totally understand Putin attacking first... who knows what sort of damage the Orcs might have tried to pull off without the distraction of running backwards under a Russian attack.

    I don't particularly like offending some of you guys... but as I keep saying... sometimes a slap is needed...

    If I start claiming all is lost I would expect to be reminded of this... letting a friend be wrong is not being a friend.


    And what is absolute NO GO at all are personal insults that come straight away from the usual corner. A personal insult only speaks of hitting something deep and having no arguments about it.

    That is the problem though.... some people ignore everything else and continue with their hysteria.

    What i don't understand is why the hell they are more scared and introspective about the idea of attacking Iran or North Korea than they are mainland Russia.

    Because America won the cold war and they are the only super power left, so the rest of the world should be brainless automatons like Europe and the west are.

    Russia should be like Germany and Japan after WWII... but they aren't.

    China and Russia and Iran and North Korea are bad because they don't do as they are told. Independent thought cannot be tolerated.

    Another point is that western politicians (Europe and USA) think that slavs are subhumans and they can play them like a fiddle.
    Clear case of racism! Even if there is "no more racism" in the western caste of politicians Wink And for them, all Slavs are equally stupid, regardless of whether they are...Poles, Russians, Serbs, Czechs, etc. They try to play them off against each other.

    Yeah, they divide them up into the critical and the patriotic and divide them that way... Rolling Eyes

    And FP, I agree with everything except:

    If this war hadn't happened the situation would still be the same, it would just proceed more peacefully. One way or the other the current world order is at its end and is up for reorganization. That's the reason for the desperation, for the provocations against Russia via the Ukraine prior to the war, those against China via Taiwan, and so on.

    This war is very very important... it has made lots of Russians in the west recognise their place as niggers in the west from days gone by... it has forced lots of Russians thinking their future was with the west to realise the west is no friend of any potential rival... it has accelerated the separation of Russia from the west... and the longer it goes on the more permanent this separation will be... I suspect there are plenty in the west keen to restore ties with Russia... mainly the cheap energy and resources, but for their own interests and not for Russia or Russian people.

    The longer this conflict takes the better for Russia and the more time they get to eliminate their enemies the better too.

    These Orcs are not rushing forward to protect and save... they are as much a danger to civilians as they are to enemy soldiers... which makes them not just expendable... it makes them worthy of extermination.

    Not suggesting executions or mishandling prisoners, but if they don't want to surrender there is no need to suggest it to them till more of the nazi element has been dealt with.

    The minority knows but the majority is bombarded by (US owned) media. Ukraine is winning. Russia threatens with nuclear weaponry. Putin throws opponents out of windows. Russia blew up NS1 and NS2 themselves (interestingly you see quite a lot of people openly calling these statements insanity). Putin wants a revival of the Soviet Union wanting for the old KGB spy days. Russia was overdue with payments for x, y, z but ignoring sanctions freezing assets. There were no secret labs in Ukraine. I can continue forever.

    However, I choose to get my information from a wide variety of sources with people critical on both sides of the fence.

    I totally agree, but that is not Russias problem, that is a problem for the west... the west is engineering the separation of the west with Russia and Russia is allowing it and will complete it where it can... I would not be surprised if Russia takes the financial hit of not selling any gas to Europe this winter unless they stop funding and arming Kiev... I suspect they might even withdraw their embassies from most if not all western countries because without trade and with travel bans there really is nothing to actually talk about... I think they might start promoting a neutral place for the UN to meet that the US can't control by denying visa applications.

    The point is that while the western public thinks it is all Putins fault and if they could only get rid of Putin... those to bother to read more understand Putin is the most pro western leader they have had except for sold out stooges like Navalny with no chance of every getting any power at all.

    Western success in getting rid of Putin would only accelerate the break between Russia and the west and Russian responses will not longer be measured and reciprocal... they would more likely be retaliatory... so you kick out 5 Russian diplomats because you claim they were spying... they will kick out 20 of your diplomats for being a dick about things because the US spies on everyone including its own allies.

    If the covid situation taught us something that is that you can very easily and without much opposition influence the behavior and thinking of people. Just tell them that science shows x, research shows y, and they are all quite willing to inject themselves with a vaccine that didn't even pass basic testing.

    The republicans did that years ago... companies with official sounding titles were used to create results they could use to their own ends... basically the equivalent of a cigarette company paying a lab to find there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer... do a dozen studies so when real labs show the truth you can muddy the waters with fake reports and fake studies and they can claim it is all science so you can't refute it.

    James Bond's, Tomorrow Never Dies with "Elliot Carver" playing the media mogul setting the narrative nowadays appears to be closer to the truth.

    I suspect that character was based on Rupert Murdoch... the best stories reflect reality...

    The US is an existential global threat for peace, welfare, and prosperity on our planet moving forward. And so far, we have only one planet.

    The west will have to change but the US wont disappear... but a lot of things have to change... when the CIA realised they could corrupt an entire society by buying up the news media and killing all the scoops that would fix things and direct the media to be a propaganda branch of the government the west was ruined.

    Patriots point out criminal activity at the highest level and end up being scapegoats themselves like Snowden and Assange and Manning and there are plenty of others who gave up careers because they didn't like what they were seeing and going through official channels got them blocked and silenced... watch the Jason Bourne series too...

    Beginning to ask if the west supports Ukrainian nazis who butcher their own people and ISIS in Syria who burn women alive in metal cages for not marrying their soldiers... and no one in the west cares or speaks out... is it worth saving... is it too late?

    For Evil to win, it just takes good men to do nothing.

    When was the last time we saw some good men or women in the west... Assange, Snowden, Manning... they didn't do what they did to destroy the west, to destroy the US... they wanted to make it better and actually live up to the bullshit ethics and morals it spouts every day through every media and medium.

    According to him, thanks to a well-developed strategy, the operation is carried out quickly, precisely and efficiently. “Besides, this allows us to nullify losses among the personnel. Our guys approach the performance of a combat mission with the utmost scrupulousness. The high combat training of the Chechen security forces deserves special attention,” the head of Chechnya said.

    But the doomsayers say they are doing it wrong...

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:23 pm

    Ukraine must have existed as a society and polity on 23 February 2022, else Ukrainians would not have collectively resisted Russian invasion the next day.

    By that definition Palestine must have existed to resist the creation of Israel, which means Israel is an illegal state created on the destroyed corpse of another country they murdered.

    Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

    Ironically HATO sending troops into Ukraine would be grounds to use tactical nuclear weapons.

    Ukraine is not a threat but HATO is.

    They pay up to $ 2 thousand a day, which indicates that "specialists" are recruited for high-risk tasks.

    Will they pay up to dead people though?

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:30 pm

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    🇷🇺ACCORDING TO THE KREMLIN, THE DONETSK, LUHANSK, ZAPOROZHYE AND KHERSON REGIONS ARE OFFICIALLY RUSSIAN TERRITORY FROM TOMORROW.

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    ‼Dmitriy Peskov: "Tomorrow at 15:00 agreements on the entry of new territories into Russia will be signed. They will be signed with all 4 territories where referendums were held.Putin will hold "voluminous speech" tomorrow"‼

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:13 pm

    ТАСС


    * Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed up to 80 militants of the Foreign Legion in the Nikolaevka area

    The Russian Aerospace Forces delivered a high-precision strike on the positions of the Foreign Legion mercenaries in the Nikolaevka area, up to 80 militants were destroyed. This was announced to journalists on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov. "A high-precision strike by the Russian Aerospace Forces on the positions of units of foreign mercenaries of the Foreign Legion in the area of ​​the settlement of Nikolaevka in the Donetsk People's Republic destroyed up to 80 militants," Konashenkov said.
    According to the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, more than 70 Ukrainian soldiers were also killed near Kupyansk. "As a result of the fire destruction of the temporary deployment point of the second battalion of the 92nd mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the city of Kupyansk, Kharkov region, more than 70 Ukrainian servicemen and 14 units of military equipment were destroyed," he added.




    * The LPR reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 50 people in battles with the military of the republic per day

    According to the official representative of the defense department of the LPR, Ivan Filiponenko, almost 20 units of military equipment were destroyed.
    The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in battles with units of the People's Militia of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) amounted to 50 people, almost 20 pieces of military equipment were destroyed. This was announced on Thursday by the official representative of the defense department of the republic, Ivan Filiponenko.
    "Over the past 24 hours, during the active offensive operations of the units of the People's Militia of the LPR, the enemy suffered heavy losses in manpower and military equipment. Destroyed: up to 50 personnel, three tanks, five armored personnel carriers, one fortified firing point, 11 units of special vehicles" , - said in a statement by Filiponenko, published in the Telegram channel of the People's Militia of the LPR.
    According to Filiponenko, sappers of the People's Militia of the republic cleared more than 7 hectares of territory in the areas of the settlements of Makeevka in the Donetsk People's Republic and the village of Chernopopovka in the Kremensky district of the LPR in a day.





    * Russian troops destroyed nine weapons depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Russian troops destroyed nine armories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Zaporozhye regions, as well as in the DPR - Russian Defense Ministry.
    The Armed Forces (AF) of the Russian Federation destroyed nine weapons depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in the Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and Nikolaev regions, as well as in the DPR. This was announced on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.




    * Russian troops suppressed the MLRS HIMARS battery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Dnepropetrovsk region

    Russian troops suppressed a battery of MLRS HIMARS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Dnepropetrovsk region - RF Ministry of Defense.
    Russian troops, as part of a special operation in Ukraine, suppressed a battery of American multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) HIMARS, and also hit a battery of M777 howitzers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "In the course of a counter-battery fight in the area of ​​the settlement of Pavlograd, Dnepropetrovsk region, a US-made HIMARS multiple rocket launcher battery was suppressed. An artillery battery of American M777 howitzers was hit in the area of ​​the settlement of Gulyaipole, Zaporozhye region," he said.
    In addition, according to Konashenkov, an artillery platoon of large-caliber guns "Giatsint" was destroyed near the village of Yevgenovka in the Donetsk People's Republic.



    * Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-24 in the air in the DPR and the Nikolaev region

    Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-24 in the air in the DPR and the Nikolaev region - RF Armed Forces.
    The planes were shot down near the settlements of Kurakhovo and Kaluga.
    MOSCOW, 29 September. /TASS/. Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-24 aircraft in the air.
    This was announced on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down in the air a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force near the village of Kurakhovo in the Donetsk People's Republic and a Ukrainian Su-24 near the village of Kaluga, Nikolaev region," Konashenkov said.









    * Aviation, missilemen and artillerymen of the Russian Federation hit six command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    87 artillery units, manpower and military equipment in 198 districts were also hit.

    During a special operation in Ukraine, Russian aviation, missile troops and artillery hit six command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a day. This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "The strikes of operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery hit six command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a day, including the command posts of the 53rd mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the settlement of Elizavetovka of the Donetsk People's Republic and the 14th mechanized brigade in the area of ​​the settlement Dvurechnaya in Kharkov region, as well as 87 artillery units, manpower and military equipment in 198 districts," Konashenkov.



    * Russian Armed Forces destroyed the radar station of the Ukrainian air defense system S-300
    The complex was destroyed near the village of Vladimirovka, Nikolaev region


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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:57 pm

    Well Baranovichi has always been host to Russian fighters, since the beginning of SMO. Google Earth image still shows some Su-30SM's and Su-34 in its Ramp in August this year.

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    Also things that western friends missed or deliberately missed in mobilization :

    https://twitter.com/natashasrussia/status/1575266861238960128

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:10 pm

    LMFS wrote:The plot for Western escalation becoming more obvious:

    Intel Republic
    ⚡BREAKING NEWS⚡

    Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

    Well I guess that having the bulk of their military forces wiped out by a sudden application of artficial sunlight could be considerd as "hostilities", but I prefer the phrase "compassionate euthanasia".  Razz

    If the Poles behave themselves and show some respect, I'm sure the Russians will agree to finish them quickly and painlessly. They won't have to endure the methodical annilihation that they are dishing out to the knuckle-dragging Banderite apes.


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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:28 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    LMFS wrote:The plot for Western escalation becoming more obvious:

    Intel Republic
    ⚡BREAKING NEWS⚡

    Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

    Well I guess that having the bulk of their military forces wiped out by a sudden application of artficial sunlight could be considerd as "hostilities", but I prefer the phrase "compassionate euthanasia".  Razz

    Mass Merciful Melting

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:31 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    LMFS wrote:The plot for Western escalation becoming more obvious:

    Intel Republic
    ⚡BREAKING NEWS⚡

    Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

    Well I guess that having the bulk of their military forces wiped out by a sudden application of artficial sunlight could be considerd as "hostilities", but I prefer the phrase "compassionate euthanasia".  Razz

    Mass Merciful Melting

    V - vengeful valedictory vapourisation

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    Post  Isos Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:38 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    LMFS wrote:The plot for Western escalation becoming more obvious:

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    Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

    Well I guess that having the bulk of their military forces wiped out by a sudden application of artficial sunlight could be considerd as "hostilities", but I prefer the phrase "compassionate euthanasia".  Razz

    If the Poles behave themselves and show some respect, I'm sure the Russians will agree to finish them quickly and painlessly.  They won't have to endure the methodical annilihation that they are dishing out to the knuckle-dragging Banderite apes.  

    Pretty dumb people out there.

    They are living in some magical fantasy world in which they think Russia will disappear in few days and loose all its nuks.

    They don't want to understand they are neighbours and they will forever be and one day US will just stop protecting them. And it is pretty clear US is throwing EU at the garbage for for their own survival right now.

    Then they will have hungry russians at their doors which will seak revange.

    Poland and the baltic states will be attacked one day or another. That's crystal clear.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:48 pm

    I am believe a nuclear war could be quite like the biological one of 2020, underwhelming

    Mankind have a good habit of overestimating and hyping their capabilities

    Let the nukes go, and let's see the damage , I have a hunch we will see an underwhelming nuclear exchange with some deaths, but not nearly as grim as nuclear winter scenarios and whole populations dead

    COVID 19 really exposed how bio war would not kill populations en masse

    COVID 19 disappeared due to herd immunity, not from vaccine but from repeated infection

    And nuclear war will be the same, scientists love hyping themselves up

    But their projects are pretty underwhelming so far

    Anyway I'd love to see what a city killer looks like, probably just hype, as virus , supposed to kill massive population, and got 3 to 4 millions at best

    Probably nuclear weapons have a nice blast, but are no asteroids, and as far as "radioactive contamination" lol don't make me laugh

    Chernobyl is quite okay, and all those atolls and novaya Zemlya still have no given forth mutant godzillas

    More hype for the train




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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:55 pm

    Well it seems NATO is pushing hard to provoke Russia to use nuclear weapons first.

    If they do end up using it first, it should not be in Ukraine. Rather first 3 of them should be right there on Washington, London and Paris.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:01 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:I am believe a nuclear war could be quite like the biological one of 2020, underwhelming

    Mankind have a good habit of overestimating and hyping their capabilities

    Let the nukes go, and let's see the damage , I have a hunch we will see an underwhelming nuclear exchange with some deaths, but not nearly as grim as nuclear winter scenarios and whole populations dead

    COVID 19 really exposed how bio war would not kill populations en masse

    COVID 19 disappeared due to herd immunity, not from vaccine but from repeated infection

    And nuclear war will be the same, scientists love hyping themselves up

    But their projects are pretty underwhelming so far

    Anyway I'd love to see what a city killer looks like, probably just hype, as virus , supposed to kill massive population, and got 3 to 4 millions at best

    Probably nuclear weapons have a nice blast, but are no asteroids, and as far as "radioactive contamination" lol don't make me laugh

    Chernobyl is quite okay, and all those atolls and novaya Zemlya still have no given forth mutant godzillas

    More hype for the train





    Maybe, but one shouldn't try to test that theory

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:17 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:Well it seems NATO is pushing hard to provoke Russia to use nuclear weapons first.

    If they do end up using it first, it should not be in Ukraine. Rather first 3 of them should be right there on Washington, London and Paris.

    You are spinning yourself right in the direction shown by the western curators.
    There is a very easy way to force Russkie to push the button.
    Just attack&conquer Kaliningrad.
    It is surrounded, cut from supply and reinforcements, de facto impossible to defend. It can be blockaded from the sea, air, and land.
    Why nobody is even considering that?
    Why when pribaltic puppies start to bark, they are summoned immediately by the masters?
    Because nobody is in hurry to exchange the nuclear blows.
    And you know why?
    Because it is a bullshit that a nuclear war can't be won.
    But sure it can.
    And it won't be a NATO victory.
    Russia is a huge country.
    Atomic arsenals are shadows of the peak sizes.
    Sure you can strike and erase all "millionik" in Russia, but ... there will be still enough population spread along the whole territory to establish a functioning system.
    Europe can be just evaporated with 100 warheads. There will be nobody left.
    US is much like Russia, but it is easier to inflict the damage on them - just strike the coast and 80% of the economy and population is gone.

    It is not that ze Wezt is afraid of nuclear exchange per se. They are afraid, as they can't win it.
    When Ruskie will start a brand new missiles with flatterned trajectory, modern decoys, MIRV and maneuverable warheads - NATO can give back a favour with the missiles that the most advanced are from the 80s, were produced in the 90s, with the technology of 70s.
    How many of 50 y/o Minutemen will even left the silo?
    This is a moment when Russkie can really consider a decapitation strike, as I can imagine planning of an attack that won't be spotted until it is too late.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:43 pm


    Perhaps just do what they probably did to destroy pipelines or initiate Ammonium explosion in Beirut , with low yield fusion device . Use a small fusion device , deep in the sea , but say 50 meters above target . Create a pressure wave to destroy target with no radiation or sign of explosion underwater . As water captures all Neutrons and gamma rays , and no sign of alteration of materials by neutron capture or gamma ray induced rusting of steels . No sign of fireball . Just shockwaves hitting sea floor and registering an small Earthquake . Do Americans have Sea-bed targets ?

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    Post  Ispan Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:23 pm

    here are some thoughts on tactics on the battle of Krasny Liman and what's likely to be happening there, it got a "peer review" from a reader who is an artillery officer, so what I wrote makes sense.

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/29/nota-sobre-la-artilleria-en-defensa-y-la-batalla-de-krasny-liman/


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    Post  Werewolf Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:44 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    You are spinning yourself right in the direction shown by the western curators.
    There is a very easy way to force Russkie to push the button.
    Just attack&conquer Kaliningrad.
    It is surrounded, cut from supply and reinforcements, de facto impossible to defend. It can be blockaded from the sea, air, and land.
    Why nobody is even considering that?

    I have been mentioning this couple of times since a few months. That is the most plausible step in escalation the US can make which will force Russia to react. They will not invade Kaliningrad but create a blockade to test the waters and have a political propaganda win if Russia reacts in any way or form.

    At this point Russia will invade pre-baltics which are just pawns for NATO and they will not do much. Polish wants to die they can have it. Russia maybe will use nukes but unlikely as Russia still has some options left to react.

    Escalating the situation with placing nukes on Cuba, Nicaragua or Venezuela, which they have signed contracts for military presence there. This will be unacceptable by the US, so then they need to do something either nuke and lose everything or getting a deal with Russia all again Cuban Crisis style.

    ALAMO wrote:
    Why when pribaltic puppies start to bark, they are summoned immediately by the masters?
    Because nobody is in hurry to exchange the nuclear blows.
    And you know why?
    Because it is a bullshit that a nuclear war can't be won.

    To many people believe use of one nuke will result in nuclear winter, everyone will die. The reality is, nukes have been from the start of their development a destined playground which is Europe. The US has it's pawns it will sacrifice. They even held a year ago a military exercise in Germany with the German Luftwaffe of using tactical nukes on german cities to "repel" Russian forces. How does it feel as a german to hear that your "Ally" will nuke you?
    For the US if they can win a war with Russia they will make any sacrifice of any NATO member, including nuclear powers, a priority. I am dead certain that we will see tactical nukes used and then my dear russians, the western hounds will be on the streets and commit pogroms against anyone who speaks Russian. You could be an Ukrainian, but you most likely are just a Russian telling you are Ukrainian. The West has a tradition of doing pogroms for it's elite. If you believe for a second that nukes are just bluffs then you have already lost the game.

    ALAMO wrote:
    But sure it can.
    And it won't be a NATO victory.
    Russia is a huge country.
    Atomic arsenals are shadows of the peak sizes.
    Sure you can strike and erase all "millionik" in Russia, but ... there will be still enough population spread along the whole territory to establish a functioning system.
    Europe can be just evaporated with 100 warheads. There will be nobody left.
    US is much like Russia, but it is easier to inflict the damage on them - just strike the coast and 80% of the economy and population is gone.

    The rest i don't even need to comment really. I agree 100% but when the time comes the only one who will be able to discuss this shit is our Kiwi guy. The rest of us will be either in some trenches or already ashes.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:58 pm

    Trying to say we don't have enough nukes to wipe Russia off the map is moronic fanboy logic.

    It's this simple if nukes start flying both countries cease to exist and so do like 98 percent of the population.

    That's all there is to it
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:02 pm

    Werewolf wrote:They even held a year ago a military exercise in Germany with the German Luftwaffe of using tactical nukes on german cities to "repel" Russian forces.  How does it feel as a german to hear that your "Ally" will nuke you?


    The smart ones feel perfectly like nothing, as had a whole life to get used to it.
    A standard tactic for stopping advancing WarPac was making a line of death along the Rhine, made of dozens of nuclear strikes.
    The very same fate was prepared for the Poles - this time multiple strikes along the Vistula were to be performed, to cut off the second echelon.
    Anglosaxons always gave a f#uck about the fate of the continental Europeans.
    People who cheer the warmongering AS narrative are either stupid or paid.

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    Post  Isos Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:05 pm

    Not only Nato and Russia will fire their nuks but the rest of the countries too. Russia will sent its nuks on on all the enemy countries including Israel. USA will make sure China is also destroyed so China will fire back including on India so India will have to fire back too on China but also on Pakistan which will return fire but won't forget Israel sso Israel will fire back and also ve sure Iran is destroy...North Korea will atomize Japan...

    Only safe place will be Africa and south America but they will live in a destroyed planet with radioactivity everywhere and lack of food and drinkable water. War will start on all border...

    There is no future for humans after that. Only survivalists will enjoy living in such a world.
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    Post  zorobabel Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:05 pm

    The situation around Krasny Liman. Russian troops apparently pulled out of eastern Kupyansk entirely yesterday. Without the northern flank, I'd say the chances of capturing Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are close to zero, Yuri concurs. Hopefully the tide of this battle will turn soon (today).

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:06 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Trying to say we don't have enough nukes to wipe Russia off the map is moronic fanboy logic.

    It's this simple if nukes start flying both countries cease to exist and so do like 98 percent of the population.

    That's all there is to it

    No they won't, there's no evidence of it,

    Nor is there biological or any man made weapons that can do so

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