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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:08 pm

    Isos wrote:Not only Nato and Russia will fire their nuks but the rest of the countries too. Russia will sent its nuks on on all the enemy countries including Israel. USA will make sure China is also destroyed so China will fire back including on India so India will have to fire back too on China but also on Pakistan which will return fire but won't forget Israel sso Israel will fire back and also ve sure Iran is destroy...North Korea will atomize Japan...

    Only safe place will be Africa and south America but they will live in a destroyed planet with radioactivity everywhere and lack of food and drinkable water. War will start on all border...

    There is no future for humans after that. Only survivalists will enjoy living in such a world.

    Yes sure, like pandemic COVID SARS LOL

    Too many movies created a perception of a weapon that hardly can kill so many people

    Stroked egos of scientist nerds who fancy themselves "destroyers of worlds"

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    Post  Broski Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:08 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    You are spinning yourself right in the direction shown by the western curators.
    There is a very easy way to force Russkie to push the button.
    Just attack&conquer Kaliningrad.
    It is surrounded, cut from supply and reinforcements, de facto impossible to defend. It can be blockaded from the sea, air, and land.
    Why nobody is even considering that?

    I have been mentioning this couple of times since a few months. That is the most plausible step in escalation the US can make which will force Russia to react. They will not invade Kaliningrad but create a blockade to test the waters and have a political propaganda win if Russia reacts in any way or form.
    No need to overcomplicate things, if NATO imposes a naval blockade on Kaliningrad then Russia will sink those ships, if NATO tries to impose an aerial blockade on Kaliningrad then Russia will shoot those planes down. A military or economic blockade is an act of war under the UN Charter, it's not Russia's fault if the leaders and sheeple of the US and EU are too stupid and arrogant to understand that.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:09 pm

    Isos wrote:Not only Nato and Russia will fire their nuks but the rest of the countries too. Russia will sent its nuks on on all the enemy countries including Israel. USA will make sure China is also destroyed so China will fire back including on India so India will have to fire back too on China but also on Pakistan which will return fire but won't forget Israel sso Israel will fire back and also ve sure Iran is destroy...North Korea will atomize Japan...
    Only safe place will be Africa and south America but they will live in a destroyed planet with radioactivity everywhere and lack of food and drinkable water. War will start on all border...
    There is no future for humans after that. Only survivalists will enjoy living in such a world.

    No offense, but it is only your ignorance standing behind your logic.
    A nice start of education that beats ignorance would be a short lecture about the number and size of warheads in use today.
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    Post  zorobabel Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:15 pm

    Besides mass arrests of civilians that cooperated with Russians (600+ in total), the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now evacuating the settlements and cities they have captured in the Kharkov counter-offensive, fortifying them for defensive operations. https://t.me/Slavyangrad/10910

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:25 pm

    ALAMO wrote:

    No offense, but it is only your ignorance standing behind your logic.
    A nice start of education that beats ignorance would be a short lecture about the number and size of warheads in use today.

    The destructive potential of nuclear warheads are over exaggerated

    As we're infectious rates and mortality rates of Pentagon designed biological weapons SARS COVID19

    It was over exaggerated by western analysts as well as the vaccination

    Simply the exaggeration behind these weapons are to mobilize their own populations in war game exercises for command and control of their urban centers

    Ergo, the vaccine was exactly that, a drill to test C2 of the population centers

    As well nuclear drills and the exaggerated effects of them are the same thing

    But hardly can any man made weaponry end the world or life as we know it

    I have been to Chernobyl, as well as Hiroshima

    Nuclear weapons are another inflated threat

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:53 pm

    Mystery around Nord Stream attacks have been solved. Putin personally did it. 🤣🤣

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    Post  famschopman Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:58 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Besides mass arrests of civilians that cooperated with Russians (600+ in total), the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now evacuating the settlements and cities they have captured in the Kharkov counter-offensive, fortifying them for defensive operations. https://t.me/Slavyangrad/10910

    If civilians are gone a certain gentlemen called Mikhail Mizintsev knows how to handle this.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:30 pm

    One way or another, shit is hitting the fan big time brothers:

    Eurasia & Multipolarity
    Forwarded from Russell TEXAS Bentley (Texac Donbass)

    The United States threatens the Russian leadership through closed channels with a shutdown of the Internet and a cyber attack on critical infrastructure. In fact, everything is really not very good and the United States is really capable of completely blocking the operation of the Internet in Russia (disconnecting Russian providers from supporting domain name protocols). But there is no ford in the fire, just as there is no way back, except for victory over a terrible enemy. Russia, in turn, can and should, in response, destroy the physical infrastructure of the Internet (it is necessary to kill only 6 cables and the entire Western economy will plunge into chaos).

    Первоисточник публикации: https://politikus.info/events/147056-ssha-po-zakrytym-kanalam-ugrozhaet-rossiyskomu-rukovodstvu-otklyucheniem-interneta.html

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:38 pm

    Ispan wrote:here are some thoughts on tactics on the battle of Krasny Liman and what's likely to be happening there, it got a "peer review" from a reader who is an artillery officer, so what I wrote makes sense.

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/29/nota-sobre-la-artilleria-en-defensa-y-la-batalla-de-krasny-liman/

    Note on artillery in defense and the battle of Krasny Liman
    29 September, 2022 Zhukov

    I wanted to answer a question from a reader a few days ago about how the Russian troops, so outnumbered, could resist on the Krasny Liman front, I started writing an answer but I have already forgotten what the question was, this exposition serves to explain a little how the current battle is going on, from the point of view of a civilian with some knowledge. I think fellow readers who are professional military people will more or less agree.

    My "military experience" is limited, apart from the readings, to board wargames, which, far from being mere entertainment, are instructive. Wargames in their origin were an aid for the simulation of command exercises, which were later marketed as entertainment for civilians and history buffs, and closing the circle, wargames or commercial wargames have been adopted, at least by the American army, as an aid for teaching officers, because private initiative produces more realistic and detailed simulations than the corresponding military department can produce, except of course, the classic Kriegspiel, o on-plane exercise with teams of players and referee intervention.

    Even the knowledge of tactics no matter how detailed it is can be obsolete because war changes and evolves, that bias of sticking to outdated doctrines is something very frequent among many commentators, especially retired military. The bulk of the military doctrine is still based on the experience of the Second World War and there were already parts that were becoming obsolete in the 80s at the end of the Cold War. But still there is a world of difference between having a slight idea, without being an active professional military, and having no idea, or worse having ideas distorted by video games and movies.

    Returning to the topic at hand: Russian defensive tactics. It has been a little difficult for me to understand, because I do not have the experience of being on the ground, nor maps, nor time to examine each position in detail with Google maps, which also does not show the relief.

    The Russian army simply avoids the mistake that was made in the First World War, of having troops on the ground to form a continuous line on the map without paying attention to the useless waste of lives that it meant by leaving the troops exposed to artillery fire. I recommend reading the chapter of "Tempests of Steel" dedicated to the Battle of the Somme, from which Jünger escaped certain death by a timely wound and being able to be evacuated to the rear before his unit was decimated like this, uselessly, just because someone in the General Staff wanted to have a line on the map. Something that on the other hand also happened on the other side, as in the memoirs of Henri Desagneaux "A French soldier's war diary 1914-1918"



    In this war the territory is not occupied with men to maintain a fixed continuous line. To begin with, because there are not enough troops, and then, because it is not necessary. It is not even necessary that the defensive islets or hedgehogs are linked by fire, that is, their rifles and machine guns and other weapons can completely beat the gaps between positions. If the distance between positions is within the effective range of rifle fire, that means that any enemy who enters that space suffers the deadly "crossfire", which is so lethal because there is nowhere to take cover. If there are few troops, the interval between positions can be stretched, the fires are not crossed, but there is also no safe zone. To deviate to avoid the fire of one position is to enter the zone beaten by the weapons of another. The defensive line can even be stretched even further if there are not enough troops, making the corridors between beaten areas monitored from time to time by patrols to prevent enemy troops from sneaking through the unprotected gaps.

    Given how long the front lines are and the shortage of troops, there is no alternative. But Russia makes a virtue of necessity. It does not defend itself with men posted in trenches and fire pits maintaining a continuous front. Not even with spaced machine gun nests. The Russian defense is maintained with cannons.

    Yes, this is not a novelty. Already in the First World War, what gave strength to the defense was the possibility of asking the artillery for help so that its bombardment formed a wall of explosions in no man's land, catching the enemy infantry that came out of their trenches to assault, what is called "barrier fire". Undoubtedly, this is still being practiced, artillery and other weapons already have calculated or recorded the firing data to automatically and as soon as possible beat areas designated in advance by which the enemy is likely to attack, which are called "planned fires".

    The fundamental difference with the experience of 1914-1918 and somewhat less with that of 1936-1939, is the communications between infantry and artillery. As the telephone wires were often cut by the bombardment, the infantry had to call for help by firing signal rockets or flares, like fireworks, in pre-established combinations of number and colors. In the Second World War, despite the primitive and temperamental nature of analog valve radios, real prodigies of concentration and simultaneous firing of several batteries were nevertheless achieved.

    Now with digital radios and self-propelled artillery pieces capable of changing position and with a greater range, a few concentrated batteries not only have a greater radius of action which allows them to support a larger front with their fire, but they can also move from one threatened point to another with a speed that would not be possible with artillery towed by horses or even trucks.

    The Russians only have to deploy a few men in the positions that dominate the terrain to request concentrations of artillery fire, that is, several cannons concentrate their fire precisely, instead of blindly firing a barrier of explosions against a grid in the plane. With the use of drones with a camera, it is not even necessary to have trained artillery observers.

    Yesterday's report confirms what I already suspected. The Russians have sent artillery reinforcements, Grad rocket launcher batteries on trucks, which play the role of a "fire brigade", that is, they move to the threatened parts of the front, fire their salvo of rockets in a concentration of fire that literally crushes the Ukrainian attacks, and retreat to a safe place to recharge, and then go elsewhere. Meanwhile, the powerful cannon artillery moves its fires from one point to another.

    On the other hand, the Russian defense and the testimonies of the fighting reaffirm my opinion that the Ukrainian army really is not a big deal, no matter how well things turned out for it in the Balakleya offensive. As soon as he has come up against a solid defense, his shortcomings are shown. It is unclear whether Krasny Liman will resist or succumb to the weight of numbers, forcing the Russians to retreat to the next defensive line. What has been proven is that a force of 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers has been stuck trying to take two towns, Krasny Liman and Kupyansk, for three weeks and has suffered thousands of casualties.

    The few reports of fighting always tell the same story, repeated frontal attacks by a couple of hundred men at most, and a few armored. No coordination. Apart from infiltrations by platoons of a dozen men who can disturb and cut off communications temporarily but are eliminated or put on the run by patrols. Bob's your uncle. Such a large Ukrainian force, with overwhelming superiority, should have overwhelmed the defense of a handful of battalions in a few days.

    I still don't understand this Ukrainian tactic of wasting lives and precious armored vehicles in small groups, wasting the numerical advantage. It is the "death by a thousand cuts". I understand, given the historical experience of armies that have suffered this degradation of command capabilities due to being in the downward spiral of defeat, that it is due to the lack of officers and non-commissioned officers capable of coordinating the actions of a larger group than can be coordinated out loud and coordinate more than three units at a time plus artillery support and all the necessary planning for an attack at battalion scale and above is already too much for most junior officers without training or experience.

    But as it is difficult for me to believe so much ineptitude and so widespread, there are still other explanations. A plausible and understandable explanation is that the dispersal of tanks and armored personnel carriers as infantry support is necessary. It is something anathema to any armored officer, but there is no other way to get the infantry to advance, otherwise it is nailed to the ground by the shot of automatic weapons. Infantry and transport armored vehicles should not be used as if they were tanks, but this is done over and over again. They are actually more valued by infantry than tanks. The armament is more appropriate for fighting enemy infantry, there are more of them available, the loss of one is not as serious as that of a tank, they are quieter and more maneuverable, they do not retreat to refuel at the most inopportune moment.. etc.

    Another is that the dispersion is due to the power of the Russian artillery. Any concentration of troops is detected and crushed mercilessly, so maybe the Ukrainian officers have no choice but to disperse their troops and attack scattered on a wide front instead of concentrating. They could achieve successes by attacking in "swarms", but in the end it seems that the same story is always repeated, the right hand does not know what the left is doing, and the degradation of command capabilities by the casualties of officers and the bombardment of command posts makes everything more difficult.

    I don't know what exactly is going on at the front, but I deduce that it must be something very similar to what I have described.

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    Post  billybatts91 Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:23 pm

    BS propaganda...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:32 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:BS propaganda...

    Not propaganda, the US is already preparing the provocation which will lead to the use of such weapons

    They did not coincidentally guess the SMO would happen

    They provoked the SMO and claimed to foresee everything the Russians would do ahead of time

    So while Russia was building troops, the Americans were claiming an invasion was imminent

    All the while they had already built up a massive Ukrainian force, but of course this was not shown on Maxar satellites, only Russian positions

    Concurrently, the US "predicted" mobilization, but only after they had launched a 70,000 Ukrainian offensive in Kharkov and Kherson

    Now the US crystal ball shows nuclear weapons use

    Of course they have already given Ukraine the 300km weapons needed to introduce kiloton weapons on nazi hordes

    The US sees it all, because it itself provoked it

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:37 pm

    No, we aren't trying to provoke the Russians to use Nukes and there is no evidence of that side baseless claims from sources you all choose to believe srs the crap you all believe because you want to be believe it hailrious.

    Russia would only use Nukes under two specific circumstances.

    1. They are attacked with Nuclear Weapons and respond

    2. NATO forces push aside the army and start entering russia proper thus prompting their use.

    Both of these cases aren't happening, no one will use nukes on russia without being attacked first AND NATO forces are not going to deploy and start marching.

    Unlike some of you deranged individuals, I do not wish to see billions of innocent perish because of the blood thirsty urges of people like yourselves.

    End of the day no one will be using Nuclear weapons over the Ukraine conflict.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:43 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No, we aren't trying to provoke the Russians to use Nukes and there is no evidence of that side baseless claims from sources you all choose to believe srs the crap you all believe because you want to be believe it hailrious.

    Russia would only use Nukes under two specific circumstances.

    1. They are attacked with Nuclear Weapons and respond

    2. NATO forces push aside the army and start entering russia proper thus prompting their use.

    Both of these cases aren't happening, no one will use nukes on russia without being attacked first AND NATO forces are not going to deploy and start marching.

    Unlike some of you deranged individuals, I do not wish to see billions of innocent perish because of the blood thirsty urges of people like yourselves.

    End of the day no one will be using Nuclear weapons over the Ukraine conflict.

    The US has provoked to the point of destroying gas pipelines with submarines and unleashing biological weapons on the world developed in Ukraine

    Not only has it done so, it has staged a violent coup and trained radical elements to launch western provided weapons on Russian territory

    It is in fact a direct participant in the conflict evidenced by covert use of personnel as well as attacks on civilian infrastructure and military targets as well as providing targetting information on ships, bases, and personnel

    A nuclear war will not destroy billions of people, but it will bring the living standard of Americans where it belongs

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    Post  Mir Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:07 pm

    Specially for people like Archie who thinks nuclear war is going to be swell.

    First - here is what you can expect from an explosion >>

    PS - the "Duck and Cover" method doesn't work as advertised. Rolling Eyes

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    Now if you survived the blast here is what you can expect >>

    PS - Your balls is second on the list so no frolicking will be possible during the nuclear winter. pwnd

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:08 pm

    Mir wrote:Specially for people like Archie who thinks nuclear war is going to be swell.

    First - here is what you can expect from an explosion >>

    PS - the "Duck and Cover" method doesn't work as advertised.  Rolling Eyes

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    Now if you survived the blast here is what you can expect >>

    PS - Your balls is second on the list so no frolicking will be possible during the nuclear winter.  pwnd

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    Do they offer a vaccine for it as well?

    I heard that the pandemic would eliminate 1/4th of the world population if not vaccinated, and that we would live inside for the rest of our lives

    But I guess not?

    Hmmm maybe "nuclear winter" is another made up fantasy fed to imbeciles waiting for the next hoax offered to the masses

    I sure won't worry myself about such a hilarious concept

    The last time we bought into such a theory, an American man named Anthony Fauci did in fact sell the world a big bridge


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    Post  calripson Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:10 pm

    Some posters have noted the seemingly perplexing stance that indicates the US is more afraid in practice of little North Korea than Russia. Nothing perplexing about it: Risk is evaluated as capability and willingness to use nuclear weapons. Nobody doubts Kim Il Jong would push the button, nobody thinks Putin has the balls to do it. For those forum participants who are historically challenged, land war in Asia is kryptonite to US military power. The number one maxim for the US military is to avoid land warfare in Asia particularly against people like North Koreans - i.e. hard people willing to die for a cause. 2022 North Koreans are no different than 1953 North Koreans. 2022 Russians are very different from 1945 Russians. Hence the need for hard people like Chechens and Buryats to assume a disproportionate amount of the burden. (Has anyone ever considered how long the war in Ukraine would last if there was a population of 145 million Chechens?) If Russians were clever in the manner of the British, they would have been supplying North Korea with technologically advanced weapons systems for years (under the guise of securing North Korea to allow them to "denuclearize"). Iran is a different story. There is no doubt that Israel/US could annihilate Iran, but in the process Israel would suffer significant damage and fatalities. Israelis dying is clearly not a career booster in the US/UK military/political/intelligence bureaucracy.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:12 pm

    calripson wrote:Some posters have noted the seemingly perplexing stance that indicates the US is more afraid in practice of little North Korea than Russia. Nothing perplexing about it: Risk is evaluated as capability and willingness to use nuclear weapons. Nobody doubts Kim Il Jong would push the button, nobody thinks Putin has the balls to do it. For those forum participants who are historically challenged, land war in Asia is kryptonite to US military power. The number one maxim for the US military is to avoid land warfare in Asia particularly against people like North Koreans - i.e. hard people willing to die for a cause. 2022 North Koreans are no different than 1953 North Koreans. 2022 Russians are very different from 1945 Russians. Hence the need for hard people like Chechens and Buryats to assume a disproportionate amount of the burden. (Has anyone ever considered how long the war in Ukraine would last if there was a population of 145 million Chechens?) If Russians were clever in the manner of the British, they would have been supplying North Korea with technologically advanced weapons systems for years (under the guise of securing North Korea to allow them to "denuclearize"). Iran is a different story. There is no doubt that Israel/US could annihilate Iran, but in the process Israel would suffer significant damage and fatalities. Israelis dying is clearly not a career booster in the US/UK military/political/intelligence bureaucracy.

    Wrong again Cal

    Have you considered what ethnic background are the bulk of Ukrainian soldiers, of whom have taken 150 thousand + casualties?

    I have a hint for you, it is the same one as the Russian one

    Chechens and Buryats are indeed tough , and Russia showed them both how to take their place in 1999

    Calm down Cal, Russia hasn't shown even a fraction of what it can do- even if there are some incompetents

    As Yankees say, you have not seen a thing yet


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:13 pm

    Mir wrote:Specially for people like Archie who thinks nuclear war is going to be swell.

    Bro Laughing
    Aside from the fact that Archie is my zoo exhibit, so I have no clue what you are addressing to, let me focus you on one thing.
    A 1 Mt yield is something from an old era.
    Today, modern warheads of HIGH yield are half of that.
    While the usual is 150kt.
    Most of them, can be regulable.
    And we talk strategic grade warheads.
    Tactical go as low as 0.25kt, with the most common 1-2 kt range.
    This is not 1985 anymore, you know? Wink
    The scalable possibilities of using a nuclear weapon are a fact.
    No need to deny that.

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    Post  Mir Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:15 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Do they offer a vaccine for it as well?

    I heard that the pandemic would eliminate 1/4th of the world population if not vaccinated, and that we would live inside for the rest of our lives

    But I guess not?

    Hmmm maybe "nuclear winter" is another made up fantasy fed to imbeciles waiting for the next hoax offered to the masses

    I sure won't worry myself about such a hilarious concept

    The last time we bought into such a theory, an American man named Anthony Fauci did in fact sell the world a big bridge

    If you've ever read my many posts in the Carona Virus thread you would have noticed that I consider the vaccines FAR more dangerous than the actual virus. It was clear from the start what this hoax was all about.
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    Post  billybatts91 Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:16 pm

    I hope this is true...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:16 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Mir wrote:Specially for people like Archie who thinks nuclear war is going to be swell.

    Bro Laughing
    Aside from the fact that Archie is my zoo exhibit, so I have no clue what you are addressing to, let me focus you on one thing.
    A 1 Mt yield is something from an old era.
    Today, modern warheads of HIGH yield are half of that.
    While the usual is 150kt.
    Most of them, can be regulable.
    And we talk strategic grade warheads.
    Tactical go as low as 0.25kt, with the most common 1-2 kt range.
    This is not 1985 anymore, you know? Wink
    The scalable possibilities of using a nuclear weapon are a fact.
    No need to deny that.

    Just don't forget your mask and your booster shot
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    Post  Mir Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:19 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Mir wrote:Specially for people like Archie who thinks nuclear war is going to be swell.

    Bro Laughing
    Aside from the fact that Archie is my zoo exhibit, so I have no clue what you are addressing to, let me focus you on one thing.
    A 1 Mt yield is something from an old era.
    Today, modern warheads of HIGH yield are half of that.
    While the usual is 150kt.
    Most of them, can be regulable.
    And we talk strategic grade warheads.
    Tactical go as low as 0.25kt, with the most common 1-2 kt range.
    This is not 1985 anymore, you know? Wink
    The scalable possibilities of using a nuclear weapon are a fact.
    No need to deny that.

    Quite right but there are still MT warheads out there.
    You should also consider that a 15 kiloton warhead flattened Hiroshima in an instant as well as over a 100 000 people vaporized.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:22 pm

    calripson wrote:SIf Russians were clever in the manner of the British, they would have been supplying North Korea with technologically advanced weapons systems for years (under the guise of securing North Korea to allow them to "denuclearize").

    First of all, "if Russians were clever in a manner of British", they would hire a guns among prisoners, junks, skinheads, hooligans etc.
    Oh wait, isn't that something that they are doing now? scratch
    While the internet-based armchair pussies are crying about the matter how bad is that? Laughing
    A whole fuckin' peak of UK might was where a jobless mob was recruited in taverns, sometimes after being drunken by the recruiting staff Laughing Laughing
    Those people didn't bloody care.
    Plus you and us have no clue what technology was leaked to the NK. Sure that the most pictures are rooted in 404, but you don't build a hypersonic without a clue. And those little yellow guys are the third ones to have it.
    Surprise, surprise!

    Mir wrote:[
    Quite right but there are still MT warheads out there.
    You should also consider that a 15 kiloton warhead flattened Hiroshima in an instant as well as over a 100 000 people vaporized.

    Sure, but there were a lot of specificities there on the ground.
    Plus it was 1/3rd of a conventional bomb run the Allies performed in Dresden or Hamburg.
    I visited both, the Germans struggled to put some povder on the scarves, but you can see it to this very day.
    Plus today warheads are more "clean" by a factor.
    Not that I cheer the atomic war Laughing


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:26 pm

    Mir wrote:

    Quite right but there are still MT warheads out there.
    You should also consider that a 15 kiloton warhead flattened Hiroshima in an instant as well as over a 100 000 people vaporized.

    Hmmm didn't look like it to me on 2015 when I visited

    Maybe they are not as destructive as advertised eh?

    In fact take a look at Hiro city

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    Hard to believe 2 nukes went off there

    But nuclear winter eh?
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    Post  calripson Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:27 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    calripson wrote:Some posters have noted the seemingly perplexing stance that indicates the US is more afraid in practice of little North Korea than Russia. Nothing perplexing about it: Risk is evaluated as capability and willingness to use nuclear weapons. Nobody doubts Kim Il Jong would push the button, nobody thinks Putin has the balls to do it. For those forum participants who are historically challenged, land war in Asia is kryptonite to US military power. The number one maxim for the US military is to avoid land warfare in Asia particularly against people like North Koreans - i.e. hard people willing to die for a cause. 2022 North Koreans are no different than 1953 North Koreans. 2022 Russians are very different from 1945 Russians. Hence the need for hard people like Chechens and Buryats to assume a disproportionate amount of the burden. (Has anyone ever considered how long the war in Ukraine would last if there was a population of 145 million Chechens?) If Russians were clever in the manner of the British, they would have been supplying North Korea with technologically advanced weapons systems for years (under the guise of securing North Korea to allow them to "denuclearize"). Iran is a different story. There is no doubt that Israel/US could annihilate Iran, but in the process Israel would suffer significant damage and fatalities. Israelis dying is clearly not a career booster in the US/UK military/political/intelligence bureaucracy.

    Wrong again Cal

    Have you considered what ethnic background are the bulk of Ukrainian soldiers, of whom have taken 150 thousand + casualties?

    I have a hint for you, it is the same one as the Russian one

    Chechens and Buryats are indeed tough , and Russia showed them both how to take their place in 1999

    Ukrainians are basically the same as Russians which is why the rich ones from Kiev are hanging out in New York and London while the poor ones die. (Just as Starbucks drinking Muscovites bought every single airline ticket out of Sheremetyevo within 24 hours of Putin's mobilization announcement.) As far as Russians showing Chechens "their place" - congratulations, you suppressed a population 140 times smaller than yours after 7 years of fighting and not easily.

    Calm down Cal, Russia hasn't shown even a fraction of what it can do- even if there are some incompetents

    As Yankees say, you have not seen a thing yet

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