Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

flamming_python wrote:
It's quite possible Russia wants to draw the enemy further in, or its preparations for its own offensive aren't finished yet and it didn't want to discourage the enemy by reinforcing anywhere.

Stealthflanker wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
It's quite possible Russia wants to draw the enemy further in, or its preparations for its own offensive aren't finished yet and it didn't want to discourage the enemy by reinforcing anywhere.

Yeah. probably drawing out men from Odessa and Nikolaev.. then make push to capture Both Oblasts, cutting Ukraine entirely from Black Sea.  One can look from that perspective. Maybe they wants to see Ukrainian going bold and throw everything at East.

We add that it is illogical to blame the commander of the Central Military District for the failures of the Western Military District, since the results of the mistakes made were already visible in the first days of hostilities. This is confirmed by the huge losses of equipment, including the same 1st Guards Tank Army, and especially its 4th Guards Tank Kantemirovskaya Division, which significantly exceed the losses in manpower. In fact, the Ukrainian army was simply "gifted" tanks and other heavy equipment, which they had in short supply.

Now, in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kharkiv direction, in addition to the delivered NATO equipment, you can find dozens of units of former Russian equipment, which they kindly left back in the spring. And the guards from these court formations of the Western Military District are long overdue.

You should also not forget about the unsuccessful assault on Kharkov, when only one company of 2 ObrSpN was sent to capture the millionth city (the same assault with 4 tigers and 2 Kamaz trucks). And in April, the enemy even began to successfully push the units of the Western Military District from the city, which could not properly organize defense in an extremely important direction.

All this and the recent failure in the region of the Kharkov region led to the fact that another commander was appointed to lead the troops of the "court" district.

franco wrote:Someone had posted something about the 58th Army commander but it see that it is gone... who was that?

A few notes from the frontline. About the generals. In the Kharkov direction, General Mykhailo Stepanovych Zusko also commands. His brother Mykola lives in Kyiv and is a colonel who works in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In Ukraine, Mykhail has a huge number of relatives. A bunch of brothers and sisters. Mykhailo is from Volhynia. Zusko is in command of our 58th army. In the course of our war, the 58th Army has always suffered catastrophic losses. Entire columns were burned as if it had been done on purpose. No conclusions were drawn on Zusko. He commanded in the Kharkov direction, where we had a rapid collapse of the front, he also covered one of the flanks of Krasny Liman. So it goes.

Mir wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Difficult circumstances?

They are supposed to be second most powerful military on the planet

It wasn't even supposed to be close

This is plain pussyfooting fuckup

I can only imagine it would have been quite tough for those 500 guys to defend the town against the hordes of zombified nazis.
I just watched a very short video on SF on Russian airstrikes in the area. Lots of foreign accents in the background.

flamming_python wrote:

zorobabel wrote:Where does Bandera go next?

Since the AFU apparently have a large numerical advantage on this front, the question is where they go next. Probably will take some time to regroup, torture and kill locals who cooperated with allies.

After that? Are they going to focus on clearing out the area west of the Zherebets river all the way up to the border with Russia? Or will they continue the drive northward from Dibrova and eastward from Kupyansk to attempt to collapse Russian lines all the way back to Svatovo?

I'm thinking Russia is satisfied as long as they do keep coming

They have launched a major offensive with this army they have been building up for 6 months and so far have to show for it some reconquered territory in Kharkov and a captured town in the Donbass.

If they keep burning through their reserves at this rate, they should be spent in a few more weeks, and that would be it. Threat eliminated.

I do second the opinion of others though that Krasnyj Liman should have been held, for both propaganda and humanitarian value. It's a very cynical move to not reinforce it given that this is now officially Russian territory, and Russia may find that the propaganda and morale damage will be serious enough to override whatever it wants to achieve in deception.

limb wrote:

That will overextend the frontline, which is now still barely manned. There needs to be a major frontline shortening. There has to be an offensive to zaporozhie and ugledar which bypasses the ukrainian fortifications in donbass.

limb wrote:

franco wrote:Someone had posted something about the 58th Army commander but it see that it is gone... who was that?

This?

A few notes from the frontline. About the generals. In the Kharkov direction, General Mykhailo Stepanovych Zusko also commands. His brother Mykola lives in Kyiv and is a colonel who works in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In Ukraine, Mykhail has a huge number of relatives. A bunch of brothers and sisters. Mykhailo is from Volhynia. Zusko is in command of our 58th army. In the course of our war, the 58th Army has always suffered catastrophic losses. Entire columns were burned as if it had been done on purpose. No conclusions were drawn on Zusko. He commanded in the Kharkov direction, where we had a rapid collapse of the front, he also covered one of the flanks of Krasny Liman. So it goes.

franco wrote:

limb wrote:

franco wrote:Someone had posted something about the 58th Army commander but it see that it is gone... who was that?

This?

A few notes from the frontline. About the generals. In the Kharkov direction, General Mykhailo Stepanovych Zusko also commands. His brother Mykola lives in Kyiv and is a colonel who works in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In Ukraine, Mykhail has a huge number of relatives. A bunch of brothers and sisters. Mykhailo is from Volhynia. Zusko is in command of our 58th army. In the course of our war, the 58th Army has always suffered catastrophic losses. Entire columns were burned as if it had been done on purpose. No conclusions were drawn on Zusko. He commanded in the Kharkov direction, where we had a rapid collapse of the front, he also covered one of the flanks of Krasny Liman. So it goes.

Yes, thanks.

The 58th Army has been always on the Zaporizhzhia Oblast front over to the middle of the Donetsk southern front. Not sure how it got dragged into this mess and with Chechen nationals serving in it, Ramzan Kadyrov would have screamed loudly if not taken some punitive actions if Zusko's loyalty and competence were questioned.  

The thing is, how many men Ukrainian left with and they seem to do offensive in Kherson, Donbass and now Kharkov to Lugansk. Will they have enough to keep pressure at both fronts without being overextended themselves ?.

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Mir wrote:Not to belittle anything but this is clearly a temporary setback for the Russians. They've tried valiantly to hold Krasny Liman under difficult circumstances but in the end they had to withdraw to straighten the line so to speak. Sure it is a ***up, but again it is only temporary. Also - Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but what is becoming more and more apparent as we go along is the number of Nazi trolls coming out of the closet.

Difficult circumstances?

They are supposed to be second most powerful military on the planet

It wasn't even supposed to be close

This is plain pussyfooting fuckup

They had 500 people there only (Rosgvardia) for a reason. If they wanted to deploy a VDV brigade to straighten out the front, they would have done so.

No it's not a ****-up, just a cynical calculation

kvs wrote:The only question is how many thousands of men did the Kiev regime lose to take an empty town with 500 defenders.

franco wrote:Someone had posted something about the 58th Army commander but it see that it is gone... who was that?

Podlodka77 wrote:Mercouris predicts the advance of the Russian army in the direction of the city of Zaporozhye or to the south - Nikolaev and Odessa.
What do you think about that, General LIMB ?